Return of service on reverse sidespin

[janovewaldnerstwin]

ok so atm I am struggling to return short reverse sidespin serves on my forehand push,how do u do it? Do u need to go across to the left?(it’s hard to explain) since it’s reverse

 

[Loopadoop]

yangyang instructional video


https://youtu.be/m2Qg8qs5wFg

 

[Lightzy]

Work on it with someone for like 10 minutes and you'll be returning it like a champ.

These things are no big deal, just need a bit of work. Not even a lot.

 

[yogi_bear]

Flick the ball but with a closed angle. Contact the top of the ball.

 

[janovewaldnerstwin]

oh can I ask u a question? Ok so when someone does reverse pendulum it’s spinning right,so do I just need to angle my bat a touch to the right?

 

[janovewaldnerstwin]

and for left side angle a bit too left on fh push and bh?

 

[janovewaldnerstwin]

also can I ask u a question about stance? Do u need to angle ur bat when you are in your stance so u can keep ur shots angled

 

[Loopadoop]

Alternative solution, if you have serve return problems using double inverted, put long pips on your bh to cover most of the table for this.

 

[NDH]

Alternative solution, if you have serve return problems using double inverted, put long pips on your bh to cover most of the table for this.

Long pips is never the solution...... to anything!

 

[suds79]

ok so atm I am struggling to return short reverse sidespin serves on my forehand push,how do u do it? Do u need to go across to the left?(it’s hard to explain) since it’s reverse

More info would be helpful.

I take it you're right handed & he's right handed? I also assume he's serving from his back corner and you're standing caddy-corner to him on service receive? Just a lot of assumptions I have to do here.

So he's doing short reverse pendulum serves to your FH. What happens when you push them? Do they usually go long off the table? Do they still go into the net? etc? A lot of intermediate players I face around here don't vary their serves that much. Does the person have a side/top & side/back version of this serve? Or just mainly one.

I can tell you from experience that reverse pendulum side back is tougher then reverse pendulum side/top. So if you're sending it long off the table most of the time, simply close down and counter through that with a flip.

Also, this is something I just implemented a couple of months ago but even if it has some top, if your touch is good enough, yes you can still push that ball if you want something ultra safe. It might sound crazy to think of pushing a topspin ball I get but I've done it. I've had it done to me. I've seen it done online. It can be done. Your touch just needs to be better if you'd like to try it.

See Can's video vs Dan serving where Dan is giving him several side-spin serves and Can is pushing them with incredible touch every time.

BTW, I love really short serves. Sometimes you can catch someone by surprise if you can just barely touch it back over the net in the middle of the table. Vs shorter players, that can be a hard ball to reach. I'll tell you when you try this, every now & then you'll simply dink it right into the net but in my mind, that's a necessary evil every now & then to really practice this short. IMO if you don't dink it right into the net every now & then, then you're not trying to touch it just over short enough.

 

[Loopadoop]

Long pips is never the solution...... to anything!

We have a difference of opinion. I play long pips OX to cover a weak bh for attacking and service return, works great, been playing 3 years beating inverted players who have been playing for years.

 

[NDH]

We have a difference of opinion. I play long pips OX to cover a weak bh for attacking and service return, works great, been playing 3 years beating inverted players who have been playing for years.

My comment was half a joke, and half serious.

I don't think sticking long pips on to cover a technical deficiency is the right thing to do.

It immediately limits your ability to progress and effectively shoe horns you into one style of play.

If you developed a decent back hand, and then decided to switch, that's different.

You could give any new player a long pimpled bat, and they would cause issues for most people due to the different qualities.

As soon as you get into the higher ranks, you'll struggle immensely.

 

[Loopadoop]

My comment was half a joke, and half serious.

I don't think sticking long pips on to cover a technical deficiency is the right thing to do.

It immediately limits your ability to progress and effectively shoe horns you into one style of play.

If you developed a decent back hand, and then decided to switch, that's different.

You could give any new player a long pimpled bat, and they would cause issues for most people due to the different qualities.

As soon as you get into the higher ranks, you'll struggle immensely.

It let me develop my 4h attack, there is too much to work on. At the amateur level, with long pips, you can do very well.

 

[NDH]

It let me develop my 4h attack, there is too much to work on. At the amateur level, with long pips, you can do very well.

I'm not sure you understand exactly what I'm saying.

But recommending long pips, because a junior can't return a serve, is terrible advice (sorry to say!)

If you only care about winning at a very low level, then sure, put whatever rubbers you want on.

But if you actually care about developing as a player, and improving all the time, then get some coaching, learn how to hit with the backhand, and don't worry too much about winning or losing for now.

Playing with long pips at the amateur level is effectively giving up on achieving a decent standard.

 

[Brs]

Back to the OP, are you flicking or pushing? Sounds like pushing. Is the ball going in the net? If so then it's side under. If you touch the lower left quarter of the ball (your left, assuming both players are righthanded) that will negate the spin and allow you to push back dead and short to opponents bh or middle. Be careful to also keep low. Dead, short and high is not a good combo.

If you touch the lower right quarter of the ball the reverse sidespin will pull the ball to your opponent's fh side. But doing that you are playing into his spin so it will be harder to lift the ball over the net.

If your receives are not going into the net but instead are long and/or out of the table, ignore all that. Your opponent is serving side-top. Flick or hit the ball (depending on height) every time.

As someone said above, serving reverse side-under is really hard, side-top is easy. Lots of people can only make side-top.

 

[Der_Echte]

I think an amateur player still developing can do real well with lp. My opinion on when to get serious about dedicating to lp is similar to NDH in that a player ought to have a foundation first. I think an lp player with good fundamentals can be a real force. I support Loopadoop's stance that a player inclined to go the pips route ought to be able to do it and enjoy it.

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[Der_Echte]

The OP saying it is difficult to receive such and such short serve... it is a matter of reading spin, placement, and arrival time. That is a tall order for a new player.

One way to lessen the sting is to at least learn to read placement and arrival time, then get there on time with a loose grip. The loose grip helps to eat the spin and give you control off the bounce.

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[Der_Echte]

Another positive off arriving on time in position getting close to the bounce is you see the ball better somehow and your subconscious will more easily adjust angles.

It is pretty much a lost point if one has to think of all the data and try to calculate everything. There just isnt enough time.

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[Loopadoop]

There is a lot of good advice here.

Basically, the service return issues requires specific learned technique.

I have coached an advanced tennis player adapting to TT. Within a short period of time his rallying was very good. He was very frustrated with service return issues which kept his playing level well below his rallying skill.

 

[perham]

What I find problematic and almost never mentioned in sidespin videos are "low-energy" slow sidespin serves, where if you just try to be passive, you return a ball that goes in the net, or it's way too easy to attack. I found in such cases, overcoming the side-spin with top spin is way more effective than just passively returning. Most of the time pure side spin serves can be attacked directly as well if they're not very short. But it definitely takes time to achieve a high level of consistency on the return.