Russian Players should not be on tour during the War.

[piligrim]

Fantastic. That's all what is necessary. And it is strong.

Remember you mentioned something like: russian government started the war and then the population carried it. When you say something like that, it leaves the impression that you think the whole population is wrong. But if we make a small step, for a moment, we must see that the population everywhere is essentially the same. Everywhere you have women with children, grandma and grandpas and asshole men like me and you, same average. Same in Russia, Ukraine, US, even Israel. I want this average to rise, you know, so that when certain things happen, the majority looks at it with such disbelief, that in fact, they won't even happen. Much as you expressed earlier in your thought that world is made of people, their thoughts and actions... This is a certainty, we are the same. And as soon as you accept and see that the shit still happening, the next step will make you see (because there is no other chance), who and why is responsible for it... Anyway, that's enough, sleep well.

what you mean by "even Israel"? Is Israel not same as other countries?

 

[piligrim]

Thanks for being direct. Why don't you think they are supporting Russia by letting Sidorenko play? What is the main difference (for you) between Sidorenko playing in French league and playing in WTT?

No difference

 

[NextLevel]

No difference

So why do you think WTT is supposed to not let Russians play but Pro A should? Or maybe I am misunderstanding you?

 

[M51]

I don't have the opportunity to go abroad.

There's something like four thousand Ukrainians living in my home town right now, many of them men of military age driving around in BMW's and Jaguars. From what I hear, not a lot of them plan on going back once the war is over.
Seems that mostly the privileged class managed to get out. I can only imagine how that must feel for you guys who are stuck there. Are you at risk of being conscripted?

 

[dingyibvs]

So, do you think that the performance of athletes from the Third Reich with swastika flags at international competitions in 1943 would have been normal? Or is it different?

Sure, if there were such competitions taking place at that time. You're only using this example because the Nazis lost.

I remember a WW2 documentary I watched last year, there was a segment about the British being astounded that some African nations were supporting Germany. Then there were some interviews of said Africans, and they said that to them their brutal colonial British masters were far worse than the Germans.

Politics is never black and white, mixing it with sports just ruins the simplicity and appeal of athletic events.

 

[piligrim]

So why do you think WTT is supposed to not let Russians play but Pro A should? Or maybe I am misunderstanding you?

Its not about Russia support. Its about influence on Putin and people in Russia to replace him

 

[NextLevel]

Its not about Russia support. Its about influence on Putin and people in Russia to replace him

Not understanding you at all. If Pro A lets Sidorenko play, they are not supporting Russia, but if WTT does, they are supporting Russia? How do the two situations support Russia differently?

 

[M51]

Its about influence on Putin and people in Russia to replace him

People in the West once believed Russians would turn on Putin after being left without the McDonald's.

Time to let go of that fantasy, Putin will be running Russia from his death bed.

The question too few people in the West are asking is, who comes after him and what if it's hardline nationalists?

 

[piligrim]

Not understanding you at all. If Pro A lets Sidorenko play, they are not supporting Russia, but if WTT does, they are supporting Russia? How do the two situations support Russia differently?

I never said WTT support Russia

 

[piligrim]

People in the West once believed Russians would turn on Putin after being left without the McDonald's.

Time to let go of that fantasy, Putin will be running Russia from his death bed.

The question too few people in the West are asking is, who comes after him and what if it's hardline nationalists?

It didn't work because not all coutries support sanctions
Sooner or later someone will replace him. He won't live forever

 

[NextLevel]

I never said WTT support Russia

Okay. So why do you think it is okay for Vlad to play in French League but not for WTT? I am trying to understand where you are coming from. You have said that countries fighting wars should not be allowed to play in WTT, but you have not said Israel or Iran or USA should not play in WTT. I am just trying to understand why Vlad should be allowed to play in French league but not WTT.

 

[Egon]

Sure

Sure yes or sure no? That is, do you support the performance of Nazis at international competitions or not?

 

[M51]

It didn't work because not all coutries support sanctions

BRICS countries were never going to support sanctions. And the Russians proved incredibly creative in finding ways around them.

Westerners thought locking Russia out of SWIFT was going to be the death blow. The move was considered extreme at time. Not even that worked.

Sooner or later someone will replace him. He won't live forever

And who do you think that someone will be, Iulia Navalna? You might be in for a rude awakening there.

 

[Egon]

There's something like four thousand Ukrainians living in my home town right now, many of them men of military age driving around in BMW's and Jaguars. From what I hear, not a lot of them plan on going back once the war is over.
Seems that mostly the privileged class managed to get out. I can only imagine how that must feel to you guys who ares stuck there. Are you at risk of being conscripted?

Yes, I am of military age.
Our military age starts at 25 and ends at 60. So it is not surprising that many people who do not fall within this age range have gone abroad, fleeing the war. There are also many other categories of citizens who have the legal right to go abroad, for example, those who support a disabled person in the family or are disabled themselves or parents with many children.
Ukraine is a large country both in terms of territory and population, so I am not surprised by such a small number of Ukrainians in your country. Before the war, there were 52 million of us. I do not know if a smaller country, for example such as yours, could have withstood this invasion.

 

[piligrim]

Okay. So why do you think it is okay for Vlad to play in French League but not for WTT? I am trying to understand where you are coming from. You have said that countries fighting wars should not be allowed to play in WTT, but you have not said Israel or Iran or USA should not play in WTT. I am just trying to understand why Vlad should be allowed to play in French league but not WTT.

Ukraine never thretened Russia and never atacked Russia. Russia didn't have reason to attack Ukraine. Nothing similar to Iran. Iran trying to get nuclear weapon and then atack USA and Israel.

"Israel won't exist in 25 years" is a statement by Ali Khamenei, then Supreme Leader of Iran, in a 2015 speech about Israel after the Iran nuclear deal framework,[2] which was published on his Twitter.

One of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's main life goals was to see the end of the state of Israel. Over and over again, Khamenei would speak of Israel being "illegitimate" and pledge Iran's support to the "liberation of Palestine."

As the ideological head of the so-called "Axis of Resistance," Khamenei created a lose military alliance with armed groups in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and the Palestinian territories. The main goal of the alliance was to destroy Israel.


Israel didn't have choice but defence himself. But Israel doesn't kill civil people in Iran and doesn't join Iran territories like Russia in Ikraine

 

[M51]

Ukraine is a large country both in terms of territory and population, so I am not surprised by such a small number of Ukrainians in your country.

There are about 30K Ukrainians in Croatia right now. Not a small number, considering we're a country of 3.8 million.

 

[piligrim]

And who do you think that someone will be, Iulia Navalna? You might be in for a rude awakening there.

People will choice on election. What is your point?

 

[Egon]

There are about 30K Ukrainians in Croatia right now. Not a small number, considering we're a country of 3.8 million.

For you it may be a large number, but for us it is not a large number , because 52 million people lived peacefully and freely in our country and everyone had enough space and food.

 

[M51]

People will choice on election. What is your point?

My brother, I can have a discussion with you, but I can't do your thinking for you.

Time to start putting two and two together.

 

[NextLevel]

Ukraine never thretened Russia and never atacked Russia. Russia didn't have reason to attack Ukraine. Nothing similar to Iran. Iran trying to get nuclear weapon and then atack USA and Israel.

"Israel won't exist in 25 years" is a statement by Ali Khamenei, then Supreme Leader of Iran, in a 2015 speech about Israel after the Iran nuclear deal framework,[2] which was published on his Twitter.

One of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's main life goals was to see the end of the state of Israel. Over and over again, Khamenei would speak of Israel being "illegitimate" and pledge Iran's support to the "liberation of Palestine."

As the ideological head of the so-called "Axis of Resistance," Khamenei created a lose military alliance with armed groups in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and the Palestinian territories. The main goal of the alliance was to destroy Israel.


Israel didn't have choice but defence himself. But Israel doesn't kill civil people in Iran and doesn't join Iran territories like Russia in Ikraine

I am not a political expert so I don't seriously debate facts because while facts are supposed to be facts, you find that different people have different facts. What I have learned is that a lot of things called facts depend on perspective and what you are exposed to. Even on this thread, there are people who talk about NATO and the Ukraine developing relationships that gave Russia pause. This would be analogous to having your next door neighbor make friends with your worst enemy (and you know he knows how you feel about this enemy) and saying that he never did anything that you should be concerned with. But others would point to the fact that the neighbor took an agreement to become a monk decades ago. This would be comparable to Ukraine disarming and not keeping weapons.

I like the fact that even with your views of Iran, your profile player is the top Iranian junior. They have been facing US sanctions for decades already. You might even know that part of the reason they hate the US is because of the US relationship with the monarchy and dictatorship before the Iranian revolution. And even the Shah talked about the influences of Israel and high profile Americans on how America treated his country. But I have found that these things are hard to discuss and engage in constructively unless I have a strong angle. I have largely left politics to the motivated. I don't have any influence and I don't seek any.