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Is it possible that people started to find ways to play against anti?
Of course. No one is doubting that. But Sabine is older (33) and her level also varies because of the amount of forehand she has to play. Bernie did a lot of things extremely well, the moat obvious one being that ahe played her backhand down the line a lot to avoid the trap of exchanging backhand to forehand with a pivoter. And with Kaufmann and Han Ying, Winter might not make singles.

But all that said, Winter can play better than ahe did against Bernadette. So the next championship events will be key. Kaufmann already beats Winter and Winter beats Han Ying ans Han Ying beats Kaufmann. And clearly Kaufmann is likely a lock. But a lot can happen in 2 years. Thrre are still two more years of Euros etc.
 
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Of course. No one is doubting that. But Sabine is older (33) and her level also varies because of the amount of forehand she has to play. Bernie did a lot of things extremely well, the moat obvious one being that ahe played her backhand down the line a lot to avoid the trap of exchanging backhand to forehand with a pivoter. And with Kaufmann and Han Ying, Winter might not make singles.

But all that said, Winter can play better than ahe did against Bernadette. So the next championship events will be key. Kaufmann already beats Winter and Winter beats Han Ying ans Han Ying beats Kaufmann. And clearly Kaufmann is likely a lock. But a lot can happen in 2 years. Thrre are still two more years of Euros etc.
I think Winter should change to long pips to mess her opponents up ( just kidding)
 
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CHN GS 2026
WS R16
Winter WR9 (8) 0-3 Sato WR13 (12) (-11, -6, -4)
I thought Winter ate HY for breakfast?

3W13L since the switch in 2025. 2W5L in 2026.
JNT: Winter for LA28!

Ended in 3 for real this time. Added 2 wins for a total of 3 since the switch in 2025 (3W12L), with 3-1 and 3-2 over Hirano and Hashimoto. 2W4L in 2026.

Not much if any advantage over Kaufmann and HY for WS of LA28.

EUR GS 2026
WS R32
Nagasaki 3-0 Winter (7, 3, 3)

Miyu Nagasaki vs Sabine Winter | WS R32 | #EuropeSmash 2026
https://youtu.be/NxcRiJt37Y8
 
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As Wolf11 mentioned over at TT-NEWS, 2 of her 4 defeats recently happened before her herniated disc. It's clear players have caught on and made things harder for Winter and how she will drop to WR20. Getting injured again should be regarded as a warning sign of players forcing her to take risks more than she can manage.

https://forum.tt-news.de/showpost.php?p=3928015&postcount=589
 
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ETTC 2026
WS R16
Winter (1) 2-4 Pavade (9) (-7, -5, 6, 7, -8, -10)
G5 51, 52, 62, 63, 73, 74, 84, 89 Winter served into the net again, 811
G6 26, 56 TO for Pavade, 76, 77, 87, 810, 1010, 1012
Pavade knew what to do when serving and receiving, by aiming for Winter's short FH and deep BH, severely limiting her FH usage.

European Championships | Day 6 | Table 2 | Session One
https://youtu.be/JgR_MZcEUqg?t=16295
 
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Pavade played it very well. It´s difficult to understand why so many others couldn´t and thus enabled Sabine´s miraculous rise, but no-one can´t take that away from her.
Because Pavade is left-handed, after all! 😀
 
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I thing the current drop in performance has multiple reasons. Of course people found some ways to play against Winter, but for me she just doesnt play to the level she hit at the end of last year and the beginning of this year.

She cant hurt people with the anti by itself so she is more depened on her forhand then other players. Her forhand is great, but is not as great and heavy as it was a couple of months before.

Some people said that Winter has some kind of minor inqury. Could be a reason as well. The honeymoon phase is over, but i cant see her dropping out of the top 20 which is a great archivment nevertheless.
 
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Risiko Bandscheibe? Winters Traum vom ersten EM-Titel (A risk involving a spinal disc? Winter’s dream of a first European Championship title)
https://www.tz.de/sport/risiko-bandscheibe-winters-traum-vom-ersten-em-titel-zr-94532674.html
Im Tischtennis häufen sich zuletzt die Bandscheiben-Verletzungen vor und während eines großen Turniers. Vor der EM in Slowenien hat es auch die deutsche Top-Favoritin erwischt. Zufall oder Muster?

Ljubljana - Diese Serie tut weh. Olympische Spiele 2024: Die deutsche Tischtennis-Nationalspielerin Nina Mittelham muss wegen einer Bandscheiben-Verletzung in der zweiten Runde aufgeben. Weltmeisterschaft 2025: Nur wenige Stunden vor dem ersten Einzel sagt der frühere Weltranglisten-Erste Dimitrij Ovtcharov seinen WM-Start ab. Der Grund ist ein Bandscheibenvorfall, der kurz danach sogar eine Operation an der Halswirbelsäule nötig macht.

An diesem Sonntag beginnt in Slowenien die EM 2026 und Europas beste Spielerin, Sabine Winter, möchte endlich auch zum ersten Mal Europameisterin im Einzel werden. Aber auch die Weltranglisten-Achte kämpft seit Juli mit den Folgen eines Bandscheiben-Problems. Ihr spektakulärer Aufstieg von der Reservistin im Nationalteam bis zur Nummer eins des Kontinents wurde dadurch etwas gebremst.

„Ich habe nicht die allerbesten Wochen hinter mir“, sagt Winter. „Aber ich bin wieder voll im Training. Bei der EM werde ich um jeden Punkt fighten. Wenn am Ende eine Medaille herauskommt, ist das auch ein Erfolg. Der Traum ist noch etwas größer.“
Teamarzt setzt auf Prävention

Dennoch ist die Frage: Die explosiven Bewegungen, die Drehungen des Körpers - werden Rücken und Schultern beim Tischtennis besonders stark beansprucht?

Der deutsche Nationalmannschaftsarzt Thomas Garn sagt dazu: „Die Fälle kommen gerade gehäuft vor, sind aber eher Ausreißer von der Norm und haben keinen ersichtlichen Grund, der in der Sportart liegt.“ Es sei nicht so, „dass man als Tischtennis-Profi zwangsläufig einen Bandscheibenvorfall bekommt, genauso wenig wie man als Fußball-Profi zwangsläufig einen Kreuzbandriss kriegt.“

Ursache und Dauer der genannten Fälle sind jeweils verschieden. Bei Mittelham war die Lendenwirbelsäule betroffen, bei Ovtcharov der Hals. Winter hatte sogar 2024 das eine Problem (Verletzung am unteren Rücken) und jetzt das andere (Schmerzen im Nacken).

Teamarzt Garn sagt deshalb auch: „Wir haben die Probleme im Blick, haben eine Analyse vorgenommen und Präventivprogramme für die Spielerinnen und Spieler entwickelt.“ Dabei geht es um spezielles Athletiktraining und um Physiotherapie.

Für Winter war der Zeitpunkt vor der EM sehr bitter. Die 34-Jährige wurde zwar schon siebenmal Europameisterin. Bislang aber „nur“ im Doppel oder mit dem deutschen Team.
Einzige Europäerin in den Top 10

Im Einzel startete Winter erst so richtig durch, als sie mit 31 Jahren ihren Schlägerbelag und ihre Spielweise änderte. Seit 2024 klebt ein glatter Antitop-Belag auf ihrer Rückhandseite, der die Ballwechsel teilweise extrem verlangsamt und ihre Gegnerinnen entnervt.

Seitdem ist sie die einzige Europäerin, die zu den besten 10 der Weltrangliste gehört und auch mehrfach Top-Spielerinnen aus China schlug. Für die EM galt Winter als Favoritin - bis ein Arzt den Bandscheibenvorfall feststellte.

Seit August trainiert und spielt sie wieder - dank mehrerer Spritzen und gezielter Übungen zur Stabilisation. In Ljubljana steht Winter aber vor einer doppelten Herausforderung: Mit der EM und den China Open gleich zwei Top-Wettbewerbe nacheinander durchzustehen. Die vielen Turnierreisen nach Asien seien „ein zusätzlicher Faktor, der den Körper fordert“, sagt der deutsche Sportvorstand Richard Prause.
Timo Boll als Vorbild

Ein anderer Wettlauf geht für Winter ebenfalls weiter: Sind ihre Gegnerinnen schneller darin, ihre neue Spielweise zu entschlüsseln? Oder schafft sie es selbst, sich immer noch einen Schritt weiterzuentwickeln? „Meine Gegnerinnen agieren jetzt ein bisschen cleverer gegen mich“, sagt sie. „Aber noch hat man mich nicht endgültig ausanalysiert.“

Ein prominentes Vorbild hat Winter. Deutschlands Tischtennis-Legende Timo Boll erlitt 2018 eine Bandscheiben-Verletzung und reiste praktisch ohne Vorbereitung zur Europameisterschaft. Am Ende gewann er seinen siebten von acht EM-Titeln. dpa
(In table tennis, there has been a recent uptick in disc-related injuries occurring just before or during major tournaments. Ahead of the European Championships in Slovenia, Germany’s top contender has also been affected. Is this a coincidence, or is there a pattern?

Ljubljana – This string of incidents is painful. At the 2024 Olympic Games, German national team player Nina Mittelham was forced to withdraw in the second round due to a disc injury. At the 2025 World Championships, former world number one Dimitrij Ovtcharov pulled out just hours before his first singles match; the cause was a herniated disc, which shortly thereafter necessitated surgery on his cervical spine.

This Sunday, the 2026 European Championships begin in Slovenia, where Europe’s top-ranked player, Sabine Winter, hopes to secure her first-ever European singles title. However, the world number eight has also been grappling with the effects of a disc issue since July. This has somewhat slowed her spectacular ascent—from national team reserve to the continent’s number one player.

"It hasn't been the best few weeks for me," says Winter. "But I’m back in full training. At the European Championships, I’ll fight for every single point. If I come away with a medal, that’s a success in itself—though my dream goes a bit further than that."

Team doctor emphasizes prevention

This raises the question: do the explosive movements and body rotations involved in table tennis place an unusually high level of strain on the back and shoulders?

Thomas Garn, the German national team doctor, explains: "While we are seeing a cluster of these cases right now, they are outliers rather than the norm, and there is no clear, underlying cause inherent to the sport itself." It is not the case "that being a professional table tennis player inevitably leads to a herniated disc—just as being a professional soccer player does not inevitably result in a torn cruciate ligament."

The causes and durations of these cases vary. For Mittelham, the issue affected the lumbar spine, while for Ovtcharov, it involved the cervical spine (neck). Winter, meanwhile, has dealt with both: an injury to her lower back, and now, neck pain.

Team physician Garn notes: "We are keeping an eye on these issues; we have conducted an analysis and developed preventive programs for the players." These include specialized athletic training and physiotherapy.

For Winter, the timing—just before the European Championships—was particularly bitter. Although the 34-year-old has already been crowned European champion seven times, those titles were "only" in doubles or as part of the German team.

The only European in the top 10

Winter’s singles career truly took off when, at the age of 31, she changed her racket rubber and her style of play. Since 2024, she has used a smooth "anti-top" rubber on her backhand, which can drastically slow down rallies and frustrate her opponents.

Since then, she has become the only European ranked in the world’s top 10, having also secured multiple victories against top-tier players from China. Heading into the European Championships, Winter was considered a favorite—until a doctor diagnosed her with a herniated disc.

She has been back to training and competing since August, thanks to a series of injections and targeted stabilization exercises.
In Ljubljana, however, Winter faces a dual challenge: navigating two major, back-to-back tournaments—the European Championships and the China Smash. The frequent tournament trips to Asia are "an additional factor that puts a strain on the body," says Richard Prause, the German sporting director.

Timo Boll as a role model

For Winter, another race is also ongoing: will her opponents be quicker to figure out her new style of play, or will she manage to continue evolving a step ahead of them? "My opponents are playing a bit more cleverly against me now," she says. "But they haven't fully 'solved' me yet."

Winter has a prominent role model: German table tennis legend Timo Boll, who suffered a disc injury in 2018 and traveled to the European Championships with virtually no preparation—only to go on and win his seventh of eight European titles. dpa)
 
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Bad news for Winter.

Duda/Mittelham and QD/Winter to vie for XD of LA28? Hard to imagine the 2 pairs will be within top 8 in WR to secure 2 spots. Franziska/Kaufmann just don't play enough.

ETTC 2026
XD F
Duda/Mittelham 3-2 A. Lebrun/Ch. Lutz (7, -7, 11, -6, 15)

Ended in 3 for real this time. Added 2 wins for a total of 3 since the switch in 2025 (3W12L), with 3-1 and 3-2 over Hirano and Hashimoto. 2W4L in 2026.

Not much if any advantage over Kaufmann and HY for WS of LA28.

EUR GS 2026
WS R32
Nagasaki 3-0 Winter (7, 3, 3)

Miyu Nagasaki vs Sabine Winter | WS R32 | #EuropeSmash 2026
https://youtu.be/NxcRiJt37Y8
 
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I see that pattern, but that can´t be all ;)
That was a factor for sure but with Sabine Winter up 2-2, 8-4, she played the seven worst points in the 5th game and probably the match all together at once, though the sixth one was just an unlucky bounce of a Pavade backhand fishing shot, but the one prior just serving into the net at 8-8 took all the pressure off her opponent who was already with the momentum. The ranking impact of the loss because of the opportunity it gives her teammates is huge. But they have to deliver. Sabine mostly has to make sure she wins European top 16 again next year.
 
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I see that pattern, but that can´t be all ;)
No, that’s right, of course.(y)

Pavade’s contra-BH-move is still something special. Her movement is (due to her unorthodox grip) a bit unusual, but it is certainly effective.
 
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Lei Yang revealed that Han Ying will play XTWC 2026, but her edge in WS has been greatly reduced due to the match format, where doubles carry more weight now.

Also HY on losing to Winter at WTT CS Frankfurt 2026. She also said CY is actually pretty good against combination players.https://weibo.com/5286779334/Rqjni1DeR

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但是现在混团说心里话,这个混团对于她来说有一点点的劣势,因为你说按照她以前的这种能力什么的,OK,
那我就打单打对吧,其他我不打。但是现在呢,就算你单打再好,那你打混团时候,那你单打是一分,那你双打混双也是一分。过去你为什么这个一单非常重要呢,因为一单你可以打两场单打的,那你到了混团的时候,它的这个赛制是不一样,就算你单打的能力实力再强你也打一场对。所以说现在这个单打的这个能力被这个混团这个赛制弄的吧就是不需要你那么强了,是不是这个道理。
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韩莹:温特正手太厉害了,她正手的能力就是力量大她不光是力量大,她那个球是撇子,拉过来时候有点飘。不是说那种直的走的,所以有的人力量大吧,像跟男孩打的时候,力量又大,又甩。
其实大迪的力量也挺大的,但是大迪那个球没有她那个球那么飘,大腾打削球打的还真的挺好的。因为我跟她练了嘛,她就是看旋转看的还行,真的挺好。因为她从小就是陪桥本和陪佐藤瞳练球的,十几岁的时候,那会儿出来就是陪她俩练球的。
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韩莹:佐藤瞳是长胶,她用反手那么一搓也好,一削也好,那防弧,那边不太敢使劲冲
昨天打的话,我想就是多赢几分的话,我就往后台退,我就跟后面削,我也能削。那我这三局我再多赢五六分,到最后还是还是输,那你这意思你是保存实力了,不是保存实力,是觉得不做没必要的牺牲。
陈熠去年那个瑞典大满贯的时候,不是赢温特吗?其实陈熠打特殊打法打的挺好的。
为什么我说可以呢?第一次跟她打我,我削转这种削转的她真的就不下网的
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法兰克福冠军赛韩莹0-3温特
韩莹聊:不是没力打,我真没法打呀,好多人说我不使劲儿,我就是被冲的,感觉就是有有劲儿使不上,昨天比完赛以后开车就回来了,开车2个多小时就回家了。因为9号应该又去打冠军杯了嘛。
本来昨天被打的那么惨,就有点小郁闷,但是我一看我们的妮娜被蒯曼打的更惨,我一想那我得的分比她好像还多得几分,十多年就赢过温特一次。然后就16强的时候赢了他一次,混团应该去的。
韩莹姐一直播人气蹭蹭涨。
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WTT CS Montepellier 2026
WS R16
Winter WR9 1-3 Sato WR8 (8) (-8, 9, -3, -7)

WTT CS Frankfurt 2026
WS SF
Odo WR13 4-1 Winter WR10 (-6, 10, 9, 8, 10)

3W15L since the switch in 2025. 1W8L in 2025. 2W7L in 2026.
Not much, if any, improvement.

CHN GS 2026
WS R16
Winter WR9 (8) 0-3 Sato WR13 (12) (-11, -6, -4)
I thought Winter ate HY for breakfast?

3W13L since the switch in 2025. 2W5L in 2026.
JNT: Winter for LA28!
 
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Apparently, making it to a semi-final of a Champions tournament beating Hursey (3-1), Han Ying (3-0), and Chen Yi (4-0) along the way means not much, if any, improvement to the Tiebans. Nice.
It is the same bait and switch analysis. You would think if he realy believed this JNT analysis measured anything, he would be presenting Kaufmann's record and Han Ying's record against JNT members as well. Ultimately, he has a conclusion in his head that resists any serious evidence and continually cherry picks stats to make it.
 
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