Samson Dubina sexual assault case

[Truth]

Here is the police report.

 

[lodro]

quite frankly, money speaks a lot when it comes to the law in the USA. Sometimes you get what your money can defend.

my thoughts exactly.
Also, if a defendant pleads guilty he/she will spare the "victim" having to appear in court, be cross-examined and possibly be humiliated etc etc.

 

[NextLevel]

Here is the police report.View attachment 30676

If this is legit, it is pretty damning. Graphic enough as well. Regardless, people should always be on the alert when it comes to their children. That this could still happen despite all the Safesport guidelines is a reminder of why those guidelines are important and why parents should remain educated and vigilant.

 

[JediJesseS]

So basically, the victims didn't even know they were victims according to the complaint. Sounds like it could be an overzealous parent who didn't like any touching while coaching.

Shameful posting. You who are scolding others, to then say legally "unaware that the act was being committed" means there were no actual victims. This means the complete opposite, it tells us the victim was unaware the assault was going to take place, and was not in a position to give consent. This is an indication of the seriousness of the act, not of its frivolity.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This is not some drive by accusation, this is a serious long time student who--at least some of us--have met and interacted with. Dubina avoided the legal classification of sex offender by pleading guilty to a GREATER charge. He avoids the registry, the victim avoids a retraumatizing trial. I leave the value of that proposition in the capable hands of the victim and their family.

Presumably the value for Dubina is that he wants to continue to coach in some capacity, which being a sex offender might make considerably more difficult. But we should not allow someone committing these depraved acts back into our midst.

Anyone defending and excusing Dubina at this point needs to take a serious look at themselves and their motivations. Yes, it can be incredibly difficult to acknowledge that someone we respected, trusted, and elevated in our community is capable of such heinous things. We see this pattern repeated with trusted teachers, priests, family members, and coaches anywhere you look. We don't want to believe that it could be possible. But for the sake of the current victim and future potential victims, we must not be afraid to look at the truth.

 

[turbozed]

Shameful posting. You who are scolding others, to then say legally "unaware that the act was being committed" means there were no actual victims. This means the complete opposite, it tells us the victim was unaware the assault was going to take place, and was not in a position to give consent. This is an indication of the seriousness of the act, not of its frivolity.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. This is not some drive by accusation, this is a serious long time student who--at least some of us--have met and interacted with. Dubina avoided the legal classification of sex offender by pleading guilty to a GREATER charge. He avoids the registry, the victim avoids a retraumatizing trial. I leave the value of that proposition in the capable hands of the victim and their family.

Presumably the value for Dubina is that he wants to continue to coach in some capacity, which being a sex offender might make considerably more difficult. But we should not allow someone committing these depraved acts back into our midst.

Anyone defending and excusing Dubina at this point needs to take a serious look at themselves and their motivations. Yes, it can be incredibly difficult to acknowledge that someone we respected, trusted, and elevated in our community is capable of such heinous things. We see this pattern repeated with trusted teachers, priests, family members, and coaches anywhere you look. We don't want to believe that it could be possible. But for the sake of the current victim and future potential victims, we must not be afraid to look at the truth.

I don't know what the details are. That's why we have courts of law try to find facts. There's a trial ongoing now to determine that. If he's guilty then he deserves all of the shame and reprobation you want to heap onto him.

But it's shameful to assume that he's guilty if he's not, isn't it? None of us were there, and I get that being a supporter of the alleged victim (or even the alleged perpetrator) will make anyone tend to zealously take one side or another. Being passionate on either side about what you think happened doesn't get us close to the truth. As someone who is neutral and not jumping to conclusions either way, I'll accept what the fact finder says about what happened.

If he's truly an atrocious sexual offender, then your anger should be directed to the DA for allowing him to take a plea deal that doesn't make him one. Is the DA not confident in the case and/or is there not enough evidence? Why did counsel for the victim ask to withdraw from the case a week before trial?

There are enough questions here where it's completely reasonable for anyone with a sense of fairness to counter these posts (all from new members of this forum) that are trying to tell everyone Dubina is "clearly guilty" of the sexual charges when the courts are still determining that. Why try to poison the well against him while the trial is taking place? Let the courts do the work.

 

[Joseph K]

Wow this is quite a forum. I answered the question of did anyone have an update because I do and all sorts of speculation sprouts. The trial is OVER. it concluded 6/27 with a guilty plea of a greater charge and the lesser ones dismissed as the docket shows. That is a fact. I’m totally done here.

 

[NextLevel]

Wow this is quite a forum. I answered the question of did anyone have an update because I do and all sorts of speculation sprouts. The trial is OVER. it concluded 6/27 with a guilty plea of a greater charge and the lesser ones dismissed as the docket shows. That is a fact. I’m totally done here.

With all due respect, posts of your kind and with your anonymous attitude are precisely the reason why people get turned off. You have no history of posting here and you have no patience to explain to anyone what the story and the evidence underlying the case are. The closest wr have to any such thing is a document from another anonymous poster which claims to be the case report. But which if true, at least provides some of the details that could make it clear that there is no way this was a random accident if one is familiar with the Safesport guidelines that the USOC has pushed into all Olympic sports. Even if Dubina claimed to be innocent, he would have to explain with hard evidence the falsehood of meeting with the girls at such locations (again assuming the report is legit).

But please be gone. And shut the door permanently on your way out.

 

[turbozed]

Wow this is quite a forum. I answered the question of did anyone have an update because I do and all sorts of speculation sprouts. The trial is OVER. it concluded 6/27 with a guilty plea of a greater charge and the lesser ones dismissed as the docket shows. That is a fact. I’m totally done here.

Yeah maybe you should be a part of the forum to see what it's like instead of just joining to post your suppositions about this trial.

In your post you said that he was "clearly guilty fo the original charges." If he was why did the DA allow him to plead to a different charge?

You seemed shocked that he would plead to a 'higher offense' and that must mean he was guilty of the lower offenses. As the post mentioned above, they sought for him to be a sex offender but those charges were dismissed. The higher offense is the sexual charges, for almost everyone watching.

Again, why are you and OP posting your suppostions about the case and what happened via court docket listings before the official court ruling/verdict is posted? Post that when it's released and then we can talk. Until then, why are we even discussing what happened?

 

[Truth]

The court ruling was posted on a different part of the Barberton County Court site. The docket itself has yet to be updated with the same information. It's all one case which resulted in a plea bargain (he was charged with sexual imposition but plead guilty to the higher charge of assault ).

 

[NextLevel]

Yeah maybe you should be a part of the forum to see what it's like instead of just joining to post your suppositions about this trial.

In your post you said that he was "clearly guilty fo the original charges." If he was why did the DA allow him to plead to a different charge?

You seemed shocked that he would plead to a 'higher offense' and that must mean he was guilty of the lower offenses. As the post mentioned above, they sought for him to be a sex offender but those charges were dismissed. The higher offense is the sexual charges, for almost everyone watching.

Again, why are you and OP posting your suppostions about the case and what happened via court docket listings before the official court ruling/verdict is posted? Post that when it's released and then we can talk. Until then, why are we even discussing what happened?

There are four cases with Samson Dubina in the court data section, all related. It took me some work to look through them and make sense of it, but the charges were changed and he has pleaded guilty to the pure assault charge. Sonce thr third degree misdemeanor charge for sexual imposition has up to 60 days, it is unlikely to be a complete accident that the first degree misdemeanor assault charge is being adjusted to have the same jail time. And to me it makes sense that to avoid being technically a sex offender, they found a way around it and maybe it was to spare the girls from testifying or something else.

Also to be fair to people who live in those communities, as much as I haven't liked seeing lots of anonymous posts on the subject from random new accounts, to be fair to them, things like this are a violation of trust and because the TT community in the US is fairly small, I dont think we should shy away from discussing it. I don't have your legal background and I do maintain some moderate skepticism. But the picture in my head after seeing all this just means that parents have to be careful.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

so many new sign-up / new posters commenting on an ongoing court case. I wager that many of these new accounts are from a single source.

I sense a disturbance to the force. Order bring to the force one should.

 

[turbozed]

The court ruling was posted on a different part of the Barberton County Court site. The docket itself has yet to be updated with the same information. It's all one case which resulted in a plea bargain (he was charged with sexual imposition but plead guilty to the higher charge of assault ).

Please stop saying he pleaded to a "higher charge."

Nobody plea bargains for a higher charge.

It's making you look like you're purposefully misrepresenting the situation.

From a neutral party point of view: Dubina requested a trial. The DA didn't have enough evidence or weren't confident to find him guilty of sexual imposition. They offered him a deal which he took. What actually happened? I don't know. But if the DA had enough evidence they should've proceeded. But to suggest that people who take plea deals must've been guilty of the crime initially alleged is a non-starter for me. Many innocent defendants take a plea deal.

 

[Truth]

so many new sign-up / new posters commenting on an ongoing court case. I wager that many of these new accounts are from a single source.

I sense a disturbance to the force. Order bring to the force one should.

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It's not an "ongoing court case". It's concluded with a guilty plea.

 

[JediJesseS]

what happened via court docket listings before the official court ruling/verdict is posted? Post that when it's released and then we can talk.

This IS the official court ruling/verdict. There is currently no ongoing trial. Dubina waived his right to a jury trial in order to directly plead guilty to the judge. Dubina pled guilty to 1st degree misdemeanor assault. The sexual imposition charges were dismissed without prejudice. (case closed for now, but the case is allowed to be brought again in the future)

He avoids sex offender status, the victim avoids a retraumatizing trial.

 

[turbozed]

There are four cases with Samson Dubina in the court data section, all related. It took me some work to look through them and make sense of it, but the charges were changed and he has pleaded guilty to the pure assault charge. Sonce thr third degree misdemeanor charge for sexual imposition has up to 60 days, it is unlikely to be a complete accident that the first degree misdemeanor assault charge is being adjusted to have the same jail time. And to me it makes sense that to avoid being technically a sex offender, they found a way around it and maybe it was to spare the girls from testifying or something else.

Also to be fair to people who live in those communities, as much as I haven't liked seeing lots of anonymous posts on the subject from random new accounts, to be fair to them, things like this are a violation of trust and because the TT community in the US is fairly small, I dont think we should shy away from discussing it. I don't have your legal background and I do maintain some moderate skepticism. But the picture in my head after seeing all this just means that parents have to be careful.

Right, whoever here who has it out for Dubina has every right to post their experiences and information to warn the rest of the community. But it's not very helpful for them to present a misleading intepretation of the legal proceedings to fit their narrative. We are all capable of making our own decisions, and presenting the evidence available in an unbiased way would've a lot more palatable.

I'd like whoever is in charge of enforcing SafeSport rules to take a good look at this situation. Not sure how it works but I'm assuming that they are not subject to the same strict standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt." If there was impropriety, then maybe they can take away his coaching license and the community will be protected that way.

 

[NextLevel]

Please stop saying he pleaded to a "higher charge."

Nobody plea bargains for a higher charge.

It's making you look like you're purposefully misrepresenting the situation.

From a neutral party point of view: Dubina requested a trial. The DA didn't have enough evidence or weren't confident to find him guilty of sexual imposition. They offered him a deal which he took. What actually happened? I don't know. But if the DA had enough evidence they should've proceeded. But to suggest that people who take plea deals must've been guilty of the crime initially alleged is a non-starter for me. Many innocent defendants take a plea deal.

The higher charge is based on the contrast between a first degree misdemeanor and a third degree misdemeanor. That's where the higher charge claim is coming from. I guess technically one can say that since first degree charges are supposed to be higher.

 

[JediJesseS]

Even the barest, most head-in-the-sand legal facts are now undebatably:

Samson Dubina is guilty of assaulting a child who was his student. He will serve prison time, followed by enforced counseling sessions and years of criminal probation.

 

[turbozed]

This IS the official court ruling/verdict. There is currently no ongoing trial. Dubina waived his right to a jury trial in order to directly plead guilty to the judge. Dubina pled guilty to 1st degree misdemeanor assault. The sexual imposition charges were dismissed without prejudice. (case closed for now, but the case is allowed to be brought again in the future)

He avoids sex offender status, the victim avoids a retraumatizing trial.

That's fine, and if this was what was initially posted then nobody would have a problem with that. But the three of you coming to this thread to tell us that we need to believe he is guilty of the sexual offenses merely because he's accepting a plea deal is where the problem started. Everyone knows innocent people take plea deals all the time. Many defendants are even cooerced into them to save face for the DA.

Because you know the alleged victim, this seems like a miscarriage of justice, and I guess I understand why you would be trying to shame people online for not believing as you do. But the best way to change people's minds is to just post your experiences in an honest way and let people decide, rather than trying to tell people what to think of the facts that we do know.

If the DA isn't doing their job of protecting the community by offeirng the plea deal, maybe you guys can seek some sort of regulatory action, as NextLevel suggested. There are still options if you feel strongly about it. Anyway, good luck to you regardless.

 

[JediJesseS]

 

[NextLevel]

Even the barest, most head-in-the-sand legal facts are now undebatably:

Samson Dubina is guilty of assaulting a child who was his student. He will serve prison time, followed by enforced counseling sessions and years of criminal probation.

If that is your interpretation sure. But he was not found guilty of this in a court of law. So you are entitled to your rabid speculation.