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but I got told if you give them heavy backspin push and they open up that ball, that means they had to overwrite the backspin that you gave them. Let's assume you gave them a lot of backspin so if they open up they have slightly more as a topspin now that you will struggle to block.

Like that information changed my game in a way that I sometimes give them light backspin so if they loop I can block it easier since I struggle more against slow spinny loops more.

Then I tried spinsight a year ago or so. And they said you generate the most topspin on a block ball and not vs underspin because against backspin you have to overwrite the backspin that is on the ball so achieving max spin is not possible.

So I got confused even more. Like what should I do then?
Hey @Zezima I understand where you come from... BUT... IF... you can make a very fast bat (by getting hips down and do a down and up and forward powerfully timed explosion, you will EASILY make extreme heavy topspin that will baffle players many levels above you. Stay loose with shoulder, arm and wrist, then explode and use FINGERS at moment of impact, you will be a boss of topspin when you want.
 
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haha it was in his first club so can not get take so much credit. I did learn thought that getting good at tabletennis really have a lot with conditions and many times som advantages i think. Really hard probably just to work very hard, need the correct conditions and help.
Lula has told this story several times over the years and it is useful to tell it often. Lula is a real TT player and under-appreciated here.
 
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haha it was in his first club so can not get take so much credit. I did learn thought that getting good at tabletennis really have a lot with conditions and many times som advantages i think. Really hard probably just to work very hard, need the correct conditions and help.
yeah, but you laid the foundation which is a very important part of table tennis ... ;) this is a part where I struggle a lot as a coach, but can work with kids that already have some basics and then work from then on. but I can tell you - if basics are off - it is sooooo much more work ... so you probably did something right there ... 😉
 
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Hey @Zezima I understand where you come from... BUT... IF... you can make a very fast bat (by getting hips down and do a down and up and forward powerfully timed explosion, you will EASILY make extreme heavy topspin that will baffle players many levels above you. Stay loose with shoulder, arm and wrist, then explode and use FINGERS at moment of impact, you will be a boss of topspin when you want.
I don't know if you mean something else but what more can I do with legs in that video? I was getting the maximum out of my legs there. Only thing that can be better are my arm movement.

Also the fingers don't work for me. When I press with my pointy finger my thumb also presses into the blade at the same time otherwise it feels super off.
 
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Yes, but that is not necessarily a realistic feed and it usually isn't that hard to attack powerfully regardless.
I am really not a good or experienced feeder so i wanted to check my theory of achievable spin when feeding backspin on spinsight.
My way of feeding is mirroring what i saw other trainers do, that is having the ball drop on the table once and hit it after the drop in the rising phase.

With utilization of wrist i was able to generate 55 rps backspin on the first attempt which equals the beginning range of professional underspin serves (according to spinsight).
See this range
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If i used a motion more closely to what is seen in Zezimas video where he was fed backspin balls it would be around 28 rps of underspin. Now take into account that i use H3 BS to feed, so for regular tensors it might differ a little.

I then tried the spinsight exercise "topspin against backspin" where i set my robot to -2 (Backspin) which results in a 35 rps backspin ball.
sidenote:If i chopped that ball hard (over the table) i would return about 48 rps of backspin.

These balls were setup to drop below table level at around 30cm from the table end, so one would need to be carefull not to hit the table (if you planned to go gung ho on them).

Looping it lazily and "spinny" (in a way that i would now i had around 95% success rate ) would land the ball in the middle of the opponents half (lengthwise) with these stats.

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Hitbrushing it hard in an effort to kill it increased the spin just a little and the speed increased by over 40% but for me the success ratio dropped from 95% to around 70% heavily impacting placement/control.
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These balls then landed on the last 10cm of the table with a shallower curve.

In a game i would probably only ever attempt these when i am standing correctly to the ball already and am afraid of the opponent smashing my "easy" loops.

I also tested the loop against topspin which proved that indeed with incoming topspin you will generate more topspin yourself. So depending on how much topspin arrived you will be able to "up" the topspin game a notch or too.
 
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yeah, but you laid the foundation which is a very important part of table tennis ... ;) this is a part where I struggle a lot as a coach, but can work with kids that already have some basics and then work from then on. but I can tell you - if basics are off - it is sooooo much more work ... so you probably did something right there ... 😉
I just coached him Fridays in his first club. I hope I helped him a little. He did multiballs a lot privately with current head coach of Sweden. He probably laid a nice foundation. But I find it impressive that they believed in the grip and the backhand punch short. Same coach contributed to why Falck have short pimple on his forehand. That is cool aswell. Almost no one plays like that, to be able to still believe it is awesome. Interesting to think if it is still a good idea to use different materials in today’s game. Probably some players would be better with other kind of rubbers than just backside.
 
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So basically I am doing my c-license here in germany. We are told how to teach kids the specific strokes.

Fh-topspin:

He told us:
-against backspin your shoulder must not drop. It has to stay even.
-don't hide your elbow behind your back (what malong fzd and even some europeans do I think)
- not lifting the elbow. I thought I do it because I am quite tall and see omar assar doing it all the time. Yes his elbow goes forwards and the angle is 90° to his upperbody.
Then I watched ma longs video and he was doing it in almost every fh topspin. Basically his technique would be called wrong as hell if he was here. He does
All these 3 "big mistakes" that we should avoid doing.

Also we did multiball later ourselves.

I could achieve the same quality with a more open racket instead of closed like in this video. Which one should I stick with? My subconscious has the more closed racket programmed currently.
I do feel like I finally do the weight transfer right. My topspins are also very dangerous spinny and fast. People who watch my matches know me doing more slow arm only openers with the focus on slow spinny balls.
 
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I just coached him Fridays in his first club. I hope I helped him a little. He did multiballs a lot privately with current head coach of Sweden. He probably laid a nice foundation. But I find it impressive that they believed in the grip and the backhand punch short. Same coach contributed to why Falck have short pimple on his forehand. That is cool aswell. Almost no one plays like that, to be able to still believe it is awesome. Interesting to think if it is still a good idea to use different materials in today’s game. Probably some players would be better with other kind of rubbers than just backside.
well … I always believed you have to think outside of the box … with Falck and Truls, he most definitely did. 😉
 
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Crazy it took me so long to understand what it meant to have the elbow in front.

One more thing I would like to discuss is here I see levenko talking about twisting sideways with the hips. Many chinese videos say don't twist sideways but more like pull inwards if that makes sense. Basically you twist and store "energy" on your dominant leg so it's a side inwards rotation instead of pure sideways rotation.

I do have to admit, that trying to do the side and inwards rotation I end up more on my backfoot when accelerating forwards and also my shoulder goes up more. I am also slightly doing a standing up motion in comparison to if I would only focus on rotating the hips to the front.

I want to try it out today and see if I can get enough power but with the benefit of being more stable after my forehand topspin by just rotating my hips from sideways to the front instead of rotating inwards to the right pocket.

I will also experiment more with the distance to the ball when hitting the fhTs. If people want me to have a more relaxed straighter arm I think I need to build more distance to the ball. Right now it feels like I prefer to hit it closer to my body but that means I can't whip with a more straight arm and instead with something closer to 90° to my upperarm. Maybe that also solves my issue with not moving my right shoulder up too much. It also looks like I need to work on using the energy from the hip rotation more than just going from right leg to the left leg. Like I do in this point.

 
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but I got told if you give them heavy backspin push and they open up that ball, that means they had to overwrite the backspin that you gave them. Let's assume you gave them a lot of backspin so if they open up they have slightly more as a topspin now that you will struggle to block.
This advice about heavy push is better against weak people like children.

Then I tried spinsight a year ago or so. And they said you generate the most topspin on a block ball and not vs underspin
Spinsight is correct.

Like what should I do then?
Do what your opponent hates.
 
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Crazy it took me so long to understand what it meant to have the elbow in front.

One more thing I would like to discuss is here I see levenko talking about twisting sideways with the hips. Many chinese videos say don't twist sideways but more like pull inwards if that makes sense. Basically you twist and store "energy" on your dominant leg so it's a side inwards rotation instead of pure sideways rotation.

I do have to admit, that trying to do the side and inwards rotation I end up more on my backfoot when accelerating forwards and also my shoulder goes up more. I am also slightly doing a standing up motion in comparison to if I would only focus on rotating the hips to the front.

I want to try it out today and see if I can get enough power but with the benefit of being more stable after my forehand topspin by just rotating my hips from sideways to the front instead of rotating inwards to the right pocket.

I will also experiment more with the distance to the ball when hitting the fhTs. If people want me to have a more relaxed straighter arm I think I need to build more distance to the ball. Right now it feels like I prefer to hit it closer to my body but that means I can't whip with a more straight arm and instead with something closer to 90° to my upperarm. Maybe that also solves my issue with not moving my right shoulder up too much. It also looks like I need to work on using the energy from the hip rotation more than just going from right leg to the left leg. Like I do in this point.

Watch again and again the Andras Levenko video

Core stability ?? i don't know ... I see your upper body being losing its verticality but its also a footwork / placement issue imo.

open backswing ? not really... also a footwork placement issue. also many times it looks like your rotate around your shoulder and not elbow == angle between arm and forearm stays too constant during the swing. which also means you have less reach / space. don't know which is the cause, bad placement causes bad form or bad form habit makes you

explosiveness ? you're the younger player but it doesn't feel you're taking any advantage of it.

move more, relax more arm and hand, and feel your strong legs / body.
 
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I don't know if you guys experienced this aswell but something clickes for me on tuesdays training.

I was training in FL for the first time with a new player in a new club. Rating wise he is supposed to be better than me. Anyway the training session was really good he blocked very well almost no mistakes I prob did 5x more ball exchanges or more compared to my usual trainingspartner. We also did a match where I won 3-0. It really felt like I played 30% better than normal. I played with the korbel d09c and t19 setup. Only switched 5min to w968 but he didn't struggle with spin so I played the korbel setup the entire trainingsession.

Today I played with a 300 lower rated player not as good at blockinf but alright to make a worthwhile session still. And I can loop very well. I didn't film me but I just know from the balls quality. Even before hitting the ball with my backstroke I already know it is right. Ball contact and followthrough is not shaky anymore.

I wish I had filmed myself. Is this normal to feel 20-30% better all of sudden? This was my 2nd session in a row that felt like this.

But it makes no sense why I should get this much better from one week to the other. I didn't do anything special. Didn't even watch tutorials or analyzed my videos in months maybe. I didn't even film myself for weeks now. So I can't really explain why I have such a good feeling topspinning. My backhand was also very powerful.

Anyway I wanted to comment here to mark this date where I think I made a huge jump in terms of progress. 16.6.2026
 
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With the modern ball having less spin and even with that the ability to counter being paramount I find the speed and height of the push more important than the spin. And nowadays, heavier backpsin balls are easier to attack with power and quality, the lighter and faster ones are easier to overshoot the table ff the oppponent tries to apply too much power. A lot of it is simply about what is working and mind games.
That’s why Zhang Jike recommends no spin long pushes strictly. Fast, empty balls.
 
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I don't know if you guys experienced this aswell but something clickes for me on tuesdays training.

I was training in FL for the first time with a new player in a new club. Rating wise he is supposed to be better than me. Anyway the training session was really good he blocked very well almost no mistakes I prob did 5x more ball exchanges or more compared to my usual trainingspartner. We also did a match where I won 3-0. It really felt like I played 30% better than normal. I played with the korbel d09c and t19 setup. Only switched 5min to w968 but he didn't struggle with spin so I played the korbel setup the entire trainingsession.

I wish I had filmed myself. Is this normal to feel 20-30% better all of sudden? This was my 2nd session in a row that felt like this.

But it makes no sense why I should get this much better from one week to the other. I didn't do anything special. Didn't even watch tutorials or analyzed my videos in months maybe. I didn't even film myself for weeks now. So I can't really explain why I have such a good feeling topspinning. My backhand was also very powerful.

Anyway I wanted to comment here to mark this date where I think I made a huge jump in terms of progress. 16.6.2026
two things i could think of:
- you might have actually improved (because you say the performance was not only on tuesday but also yesterday).
- the warm weather might have contributed to d09c being easier to activate

how you warm up yourself is also a very important factor especially against "better" or at least "good" opposition. So you wrote that you did get in more repetitions with that better player and that will indeed make you more confident in following match situations. I can especially attest to the same effect the opposite way. I did spent one hour of training just helping/feeding a worse player with a sideways stroke (his stroke not leading to his eyebrow but rather to his left shoulder) which made his placement (when i am supposed to block his loop with forehand) all over the place, some balls went to my elbow, some to the middle some went out of the table wide forehand (not hitting the table). we did that for nearly an hour with only one ball and it was probably at least 40% of the time spent somebody collecting the ball. when i then tried to play with others i felt like my body was already in "sitting on the couch" mode but surely not in the competitive table tennis mode. I know of other players as well that say "i wont play with weaker player x because it will f*ck up your whole session" and i can definitely mirror that. You might have experienced the exact opposite. You having a great training on tuesday and then performing well in the match might have instilled more confidence in these shots which surely would spill over to the next matches against weaker opposition. Well done !

Now the task is to confirm this kind of level in the next training sessions to make it sink in even more.
 
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Crazy it took me so long to understand what it meant to have the elbow in front.

One more thing I would like to discuss is here I see levenko talking about twisting sideways with the hips. Many chinese videos say don't twist sideways but more like pull inwards if that makes sense. Basically you twist and store "energy" on your dominant leg so it's a side inwards rotation instead of pure sideways rotation.

I do have to admit, that trying to do the side and inwards rotation I end up more on my backfoot when accelerating forwards and also my shoulder goes up more. I am also slightly doing a standing up motion in comparison to if I would only focus on rotating the hips to the front.

I want to try it out today and see if I can get enough power but with the benefit of being more stable after my forehand topspin by just rotating my hips from sideways to the front instead of rotating inwards to the right pocket.

I will also experiment more with the distance to the ball when hitting the fhTs. If people want me to have a more relaxed straighter arm I think I need to build more distance to the ball. Right now it feels like I prefer to hit it closer to my body but that means I can't whip with a more straight arm and instead with something closer to 90° to my upperarm. Maybe that also solves my issue with not moving my right shoulder up too much. It also looks like I need to work on using the energy from the hip rotation more than just going from right leg to the left leg. Like I do in this point.

Elbow is too tight, the underarm needs to be more loose. So you can get more speed in the bat, which will lead to more power. So using less force and more relaxed acceleration will make your shots have more quality
 
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two things i could think of:
- you might have actually improved (because you say the performance was not only on tuesday but also yesterday).
- the warm weather might have contributed to d09c being easier to activate

how you warm up yourself is also a very important factor especially against "better" or at least "good" opposition. So you wrote that you did get in more repetitions with that better player and that will indeed make you more confident in following match situations. I can especially attest to the same effect the opposite way. I did spent one hour of training just helping/feeding a worse player with a sideways stroke (his stroke not leading to his eyebrow but rather to his left shoulder) which made his placement (when i am supposed to block his loop with forehand) all over the place, some balls went to my elbow, some to the middle some went out of the table wide forehand (not hitting the table). we did that for nearly an hour with only one ball and it was probably at least 40% of the time spent somebody collecting the ball. when i then tried to play with others i felt like my body was already in "sitting on the couch" mode but surely not in the competitive table tennis mode. I know of other players as well that say "i wont play with weaker player x because it will f*ck up your whole session" and i can definitely mirror that. You might have experienced the exact opposite. You having a great training on tuesday and then performing well in the match might have instilled more confidence in these shots which surely would spill over to the next matches against weaker opposition. Well done !

Now the task is to confirm this kind of level in the next training sessions to make it sink in even more.

Yeah it was both the t19 and the d09c felt good.

I did play with a better player once in february and once in may 2 weeks ago. But I played 30% worse still. Sure we got more ball exchanges still but we were also still collecting random balls from the floor.

With the better player here we had a basket full with good nittaku training balls so we barely ran out of time. I was also exhausted mid rally and couldn't do the drills for 4-7min which I usually aim for but was kind of oom 2min into the drill because of long each ball exchange was and how much power I had to give the balls (otherwise it was too unrealistic and he would smack the balls back at me)

I don't have the luxoury to pick my trainingspartners so I have to do the best with what I have.

It was a "probetraining" and the dude responsible there said I can come here 2-3 times before I have to start being a member and pay (no glue how much)

It still hurts my ego a little bit that they would ask me to pay money even though I am the best player there and the best player there was struggeling to find a trainingspartner himself so he told me he really liked our session and would be down on tuesday again.
I won't be able to go there for more than 1 max 2. It's not the club I will play for upcoming season either and with all the drive I have to do to germany and swiss and germany racecups it takes a toll on my purse.

I was kind of expecting him to be for free but I get that they have to pay for balls and the hall itself. It just feels bad when you are the best there in the club. I can see that I might be here since I also lack good trainingspartner and also get benefit. And should think about my future and if this helps. And it would def do if we did it more regularly its also only 25min by car.

I will definetly keep observing. This weekend I have 2 tournaments one saturday one sunday in germany so it will be a good testing ground.
 
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I believe that players that become good are good at training and the practical aspects of it, during training and around training.
Sleep, food, resting, warm up, all training that are useful for tabletennis like cardio and strength. Of course the tabletennis practice and how you practice also matter. But I think everything around the tabletennis is very important to be able to play good. Coaches are not psychologist but to many coaches only see the player and miss the human. If the human, the rest of your life and everything around tabletennis is working good then you are able to play good.

It sound smart to think how are your life when you are playing good and what in your tabletennis are making you play good. Regarding to results I really believe in having a game plan and playing with your strength so recording matches could probably help to get a sense of this.

Keep up the good work
 
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Two games from todays Tournament.

Need to analyze myself first but I am happy with how I played in both games. Especially against the better player I had a gameplan that somehow worked.

I want to fix my footwork. Right now it feels like I am moving one leg at a time sometimes when I should be moving with both at the same time.

I do like my forehand not sure about the technique but in terms of how effortless it felt in the game when full whipping through. Need to check later when I have more time how it looks like technique wise aswell.

The good player said I have a very high quality open up TS with my Fh. And that I pushed a bit much on the bh side. My passive play is good but I already knew that. And he recommends that I make my open up more consistent in terms of length aswell. He liked my serve strategy and gave me a tip on that too.
He also said he liked to play drills where he loops and open up parallel. Also during warmup because if you can loop parallel you have more errorr tolerance when looping diagonal. Makes sense will try this out during warmup for next tournament. It also explains why when I do training drills where I have to loop parallel my topspins feel good. My weaker trainingspartner also prefers parallel warmup. And the session feels really good with him after.

My next focus will be working more on double jump repositioning drills and parallel TS. Give less thought about technique for now.

And for this I need to find a solution to my blister problem..
 
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I don't know if you mean something else but what more can I do with legs in that video? I was getting the maximum out of my legs there. Only thing that can be better are my arm movement.

Also the fingers don't work for me. When I press with my pointy finger my thumb also presses into the blade at the same time otherwise it feels super off.
hi @Zezima ,

sorry I did not catch this earlier.

The use of the legs, with the hip going down some, from a position where you are sitting down a little in your stance... this is the START of your kinetic chain to create energy, amplify (increase it), and deliver it to the ball...

The key thing at the end, if you were loose enough and had all those nice separate sequential small explosions... that at the end, you deliver the power with your fingers (squeeze at impact) (also make extra bat speed with middle two finger squeezing the handle and leveraging it off your palm)...

It is VERY important to figure out these final two squeezes to get that extra bat speed and delivery of power to the ball

There is also a certain pre-load of the wrist (not the flippy floppy 90 degree part of wrist, but the linear 30 degree each way kind of wrist) that creates the base to explode the wrist (then fingers, then Squeeze) through the ball.

The question you have about the legs... assuming you saw the impact right, AND get to position of leverage as ball gets to strike zone... assuming that... well then the use of legs is actually starting with the toes and foot. Then you are coming out of crouch some to amplify your power...

So many separate explosions sequential happening so fast together one hardly can discern they are separate... but they are and MUST be separate of one loses power on the shot. Often, a player is tightening up too early, either the hips or shoulder or arm... that puts the Bremsen on your chain faster that Brembo brakes on a Porsche.

Chain... from good crouched leverage sitting down a little and bowed forward a little... toes, legs up, hip up and forward, upper body turns together, upper body turns a little more than hips, then upper arm stops/slows down before impact, lower arm snaps forward (and up for loops with more closed bat face) the arm is loose and the wrist starts to go forward, then lower arm muscle powers wrist forward, fingers squeeze on bat handle and fast bat head speed becomes faster, and FINAL transfer of power is with finger squeeze to firm right at impact to multiply the force transferred to the ball.

That is a LOT of stuff going on... and one has to perform this without any conscious thinking, or one with tighten up the wrong part to early and ruin it all.

Assuming good enough position and leverage to start the shot...the error amateur players have is the timing of the ball (or the skill to get the ball deep enough to the strike zone), tightening and ruining the chain, or not rotating the hip enough or effective enough (or sometimes too much) and too long a backswing (makes timing much more difficult).

There is no singular correct answer to your question... and actually even more questions for you to ask yourself and figure out.

You can look at mirror and try to shadow stroke and see for yourself, but that is usually not a realistic rally or match shot, so ultimately, you have to look at your video making and see it for yourself.

What you have going on is inefficiency in your chain.

If I or someone else makes the comment that you are getting down, but not up during your shot, then you are not using legs enough or right.
If someone says you are using too much arm (and/or shoulder) then you are NOT slowing down upper arm before impact and allowing the lower arm to snap.

Often, amateur players tighten up should and the energy flow stops there... then player over uses shoulder to try to make that energy... and fails... and often sets themselves up for a major shoulder injury down the road in the future.

If someone says your stroke looks well enough... but there is a big lack of spin and pace... then there are problems with the wrist snap and use of fingers to whip the bat head and squeeze to transfer power... also amateurs ruin their transfer by tightening arm or wrist too early, which stops that power and delivery.

Again, so many things going on... and when you get a good understanding of how the chain works, you will both SEE (on video) (or in the mirror) (or if you see this on other players) and you will FEEL where something goes wrong.

Again, no immediate quick answer to your issue(s) but things to look for and help yourself.

You are brave to video yourself and post here... and also smart/determined to improve.
 
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The shot I described is the FH topspin loop.

There are many different things going on for a HIT (you use very little or zero wrist on that shot), so the biomechanics and swing plane and loading of wrist are different.
 
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