"This rubber is not correct!"

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Depend by country. In India 90% use pips

while in UTT, probably half the Indian women players are inverted or attacking short pip player

 

[Olio]

I assume Andreas is clearly talking about a LP which has been treated. In this video you can even hear him calling Dr Neubauer

He is also struggling with the amount of spin from Nie's FH, and that shot quality does hurt him.

When I see high level players lose their mind against LP, I think it's safe to assume there may be more at play than the local league player / amateur shaking when they play a "dodgy bat"

 

[yamagata]

I assume Andreas is clearly talking about a LP which has been treated. In this video you can even hear him calling Dr Neubauer

He is also struggling with the amount of spin from Nie's FH, and that shot quality does hurt him.

When I see high level players lose their mind against LP, I think it's safe to assume there may be more at play than the local league player / amateur shaking when they play a "dodgy bat"

Hypothetically, 50 % of all the male pro's cheat with speedglue, booster and illegal serves. Why is a long pip player not allowed to cheat a bit with his long pips? It would seem unfair that everybody else can cheat?

 

[Olio]

Hypothetically, 50 % of all the male pro's cheat with speedglue, booster and illegal serves. Why is a long pip player not allowed to cheat a bit with his long pips? It would seem unfair that everybody else can cheat?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Serves are being monitored more now
We know for a fact that bats are tested for VOC / boosters. If it passes the test, then it's OK to play.
I am however unsure friction is being tested as consistently? (and it could be at the margin of what's acceptable?)

Also, with a combi bat, you can "cheat" on all: serves, boost, and treated LP That's an unfair advantage

 

[Tyce]

Yes boi, let's grind!

 

[ZFT]

Yes boi, let's grind!

So much irony in his “branding”, he more and more comes off as a sore loser and anything but willing to “grind”.

“Yes (I act as an immature) boi, let’s complain”

 

[Tyce]

He makes some great points in his videos though. No need to disregard good information because of his gameday character

 

[backspacer]

I subscribe to Andreas' YT channel. Can't wait for him to make a video to share his side of the story with regards to this incident.

These type of rubber are prevalent in the amateur scene where, understandably, most amateur organizer do not have the means nor equipment to catch these cheats.

But to see such thing on a pro circuit; oh well, there is a first to everything...

He won't do a video about it just like he didn't with the Pistej match. He did however respond on reddit for the latter dodging questions and denying his bump into Pistej.

 

[NextLevel]

all pips rubbers are tested too.
its not on the list as there is no current infraction (failed test) for pips.

Too thick is the most common, due to the amount of glue + boosters.
VOC is probably too freshly glued - we normally glue min evening before, to allow the VOC in the rubber to air out. If you just cut and glue and test, it will likely fail VOC, so you need to air it.

there are pip friction testing devices

So how are pips rubbers tested for friction limit in racket control?

 

[Tha_Homeless]

Well, Chulong Nie's coach put up THAT racket for sale on Monday in this forum. Perhaps Levenko can buy that racket and back his claims (This rubber is not correct! Dr. Neeeuuuubaaaaauer!) when he has a look into it (just kidding). But anyway, it's interesting that this racket is FS in TTD.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/chulong-nie-national-racket-with-rubbers.37761/

 

[tzifos]

@AndreasLevenko THIS is the definition of "Art Of Trolling"

Sorry but you asked for it!

 

[piligrim]

Well, Chulong Nie's coach put up THAT racket for sale on Monday in this forum. Perhaps Levenko can buy that racket and back his claims (This rubber is not correct! Dr. Neeeuuuubaaaaauer!) when he has a look into it (just kidding). But anyway, it's interesting that this racket is FS in TTD.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/chulong-nie-national-racket-with-rubbers.37761/

Someone bought already. Maybe Levenko

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So how are pips rubbers tested for friction limit in racket control?

i'm not 100% sure
i will ask one of my friends - a coach that has pimple players on tour.

 

[Tinykin]

i'm not 100% sure
i will ask one of my friends - a coach that has pimple players on tour.

Umpires used to simply rub a ball across the surface if there were any suspicions.
Big secret. Don't tell anyone.......it was mostly (98%) for show. That is, to demonstrate that were checking

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Umpires used to simply rub a ball across the surface if there were any suspicions.
Big secret. Don't tell anyone.......it was mostly (98%) for show. That is, to demonstrate that were checking

haha

domestically I have seen some of those yinhe devices
but as far as I know, those are not ITTF approved for racket control

I have seen rubber balls before also
I have also seen balls putting on the pips and tilting to see if it moves

but i'm not sure what is the official ITTF standard for international matches.

 

[pong99]

The only ITTF friction test I have seen is a dynamic friction test for rubber approval to get on the LARC.

The T9 Technical Leaflet for racket control has no friction test.

Now some local tourney director can drink too much vodka and decide to use Igor's plastic static friction tester, but it's not in T9. Note that static friction testing is different from the dynamic friction test used to get on the LARC

 

[NextLevel]

haha

domestically I have seen some of those yinhe devices
but as far as I know, those are not ITTF approved for racket control

I have seen rubber balls before also
I have also seen balls putting on the pips and tilting to see if it moves

but i'm not sure what is the official ITTF standard for international matches.

So the current agreement is that there is no friction test for pips in table tennis and that just like boosting, using pips baked in the sun or inverted rubbers worn to anti is not tested for and is practically legal?

 

[tzifos]

..... or inverted rubbers worn to anti is not tested for and is practically legal?

Old inverted rubbers are the worst!!!

I have played once with an opponent that had an old Tenergy05 that behave VERY strange; in "light" touch/drive/block was like anti, and was exactly the opposite (as it should be) when the stroke was dynamic and with force. Very very difficult for me to understand how it worked and lost the first 2 sets!

 

[backspacer]

Levenko responded on reddit and says there was no racquet control. The umpire apologized to him after the match since they are friends.

 

[joshmak10]

Levenko responded on reddit and says there was no racquet control. The umpire apologized to him after the match since they are friends.

Doesn’t excuse his behaviour but I can understand his frustration at the lack of racket control