Tony has been banned and won't return

[Zezima]

I am actually suprised to see such a thread for a 2 days temporary ban.

Table tennis is one of those sports where everyone has high opinion of themselves so this can very easily happen.

What would be good is that if mods see 2+ people fighting "emotionally" to cool them down before it turns into a bigger hate.

I think we need to learn how to behave on the same friendly level without looking down on each other.

I hope they can resolve this conflict in private. Because banning should be only the last resort.

 

[mps]

You are right, I am actually a bit more cynical and have gone through this on various forums before, so I know what the endgame usually looks like. My intention was not to drive him away. And like I said, there are many reasonable solutions to this for people who are willing to discuss and negotiate. If he doesn't want to, it is not because my ears are closed. I am not above mistakes, all I ask is that we discuss them quietly and reach an agreement before going public to air our differences.

Tony said Carl would private message him and discuss issues and de-escalate matters when things are not looking good. I guess with your approach, you expect everyone to come to you. I think being a mod, you need to be the bigger person.

 

[mps]

I am actually suprised to see such a thread for a 2 days temporary ban.

Table tennis is one of those sports where everyone has high opinion of themselves so this can very easily happen.

What would be good is that if mods see 2+ people fighting "emotionally" to cool them down before it turns into a bigger hate.

I think we need to learn how to behave on the same friendly level without looking down on each other.

I hope they can resolve this conflict in private. Because banning should be only the last resort.

see my reply

Tony said Carl would private message him and discuss issues and de-escalate matters when things are not looking good. I guess with your approach, you expect everyone to come to you. I think being a mod, you need to be the bigger person.

 

[zeio]

Sometimes I dislike when Tony fights zeio, it often feels like it is coming from Tony, and zeio is defending, and I always asked why the h... Tony needs this. He is accomplished world-known useful trainer, why he does this. It is almost like he himself is not convinced that he is valuable...

But banning him or TTD without Tony - NO WAY!

The most likely reason is he doesn't like me telling players to retire, namely Ishikawa, Boll, Ito and Hayata. And then TPE being a part of China, which is even in the Constitution of the Republic of China (ROC), misleadingly referred to by the separatists and many in the West as Taiwan.

"Retire, Tony", however, hits different...

 

[NetProphet]

how can there be so much drama in a forum about table tennis.. why cant everyone just get along and discuss this amazing sport in peace lol

first of all, when tony, nextlevel, and zeio are in any argument, I find it very disrupting and not helpful to any discussion in this forum. so I am not siding with anyone.

however, you saying "lets take a time out" is not really accurate. it is "tony, you take a timeout", since you @NextLevel are in no way affected by this. at the end of the day, many people profited from tonys comments on this forum, even though he started controversial debates at times. with the swift ban however, you managed to drive one of the most valuable members away from this forum, moments after you became a moderator. I find it very disappointing

I don't think anyone would expect me to side with NL on this but if he asked Tony to take the issue privately and Tony refused then that is ego and self harm and not really the moderators fault.
Ego is the key word here. Look at it from all sides and ask what would you have done.
There's an ego who seemingly has an issue with the new perceived balance in here as a result of some people offering their time and energy to moderate. Moderating deserves more respect, it is (as this thread shows) a mostly thankless task.
In the words of Col Jessup "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it." 😂

Probably a bit ott there but giving the mods a bit of help from time to time is something we all owe!

 

[zeio]

that video of someone spending hours to press "like", to beat Tony is the answer!
All I can say is such action seen in the video is not normal.


I asked Tony about this, he said him and zeio has gone on for a long time. Tony doesn't like zeio's propaganda direction (which I agree after seeing all those tieba posts) and will step in when he sees a lot of garbage being posted. Tony ignored zeio and haven't responded for a while to zeio and I still saw zeio attacking Tony by calling him a ball feeder.
you are welcome to check the search result of "ball feeder":

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/search/2314075/?q=ball+feeder&c[users]=zeio&o=relevance

I honestly think Tony is wasting his valuable time fighting zeio and nextlevel, since he has so much to offer.

Tell Tony I said "Hi, Pot. Meet Kettle."
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/ignore-function.38136/
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/ignore-function.38136/post-544769

2022/6/8
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/where-are-all-the-old-forum-members.27380/post-370632

you mean, some kind of infection in this forum?
the quality of posts and replies is not the same without the knowledge or many of those experts (no offense to the current crowd).

Zeio would flood the forum with translated China material - very good stuff I must say. I don't have time to transalte and Zeio did many big favours.
Of the others on the list, many are high level coaches and equipment experts.
Even the likes of Yogi Bear hardly posts nowadays.

Where have these guys move on to, maybe I should join them. TTD is boring

 

[NextLevel]

Tony said Carl would private message him and discuss issues and de-escalate matters when things are not looking good. I guess with your approach, you expect everyone to come to you. I think being a mod, you need to be the bigger person.

Not at all, in fact, I made the request that we take the discussion private because we were arguing on the forum over a mistake I made in moderating a thread. I won't speak for Carl and how much time it took him to manage and handle Tony, but the *only* thing as a mod I ask people for is to discuss with me a bit before airing grievances. The main disagreement Tony and I had was that since it was not in the rules to do so and I was proposing it, there was no need for him to respect my wishes. I understand his position, I have been there before, I hope you understand mine. In fact, you know what, to make a point here, I will reach out to him and apologize. I think you really believe I have some beef with Tony. I absolutely do not.

 

[Singshasha]

I am also a benefactor and we now communicate on whatsapp.

We all only have 1 side of the story given by the mod.

Tony has shown me another screen recording video of what has happened and he was asking for some apology for posts the mod has moved to his thread as a dumping ground. Half of those post moved was not even his posts. It has all been cleaned up now. He was extremely clever to make the screen recording.

The same video was sent to Dan and NL.
Whether or not there is power abuse, I am not sure, but coming and defending oneself without us seeing exactly the content between the argument is really sleazy.

 

[NetProphet]

I am also a benefactor and we now communicate on whatsapp.

We all only have 1 side of the story given by the mod.

Tony has shown me another screen recording video of what has happened and he was asking for some apology for posts the mod has moved to his thread as a dumping ground. Half of those post moved was not even his posts. It has all been cleaned up now. He was extremely clever to make the screen recording.

The same video was sent to Dan and NL.
Whether or not there is power abuse, I am not sure, but coming and defending oneself without us seeing exactly the content between the argument is really sleazy.

The content of the argument is none of your business, that's the point.
It's how it should be discussed and resolved that is for debate.

 

[NextLevel]

I am also a benefactor and we now communicate on whatsapp.

We all only have 1 side of the story given by the mod.

Tony has shown me another screen recording video of what has happened and he was asking for some apology for posts the mod has moved to his thread as a dumping ground. Half of those post moved was not even his posts. It has all been cleaned up now. He was extremely clever to make the screen recording.

The same video was sent to Dan and NL.
Whether or not there is power abuse, I am not sure, but coming and defending oneself without us seeing exactly the content between the argument is really sleazy.

The video was never "sent to me", it was at best posted on the forum. Since you have the video, you can post it. I will not take it down.

 

[Gtsnake]

The most likely reason is he doesn't like me telling players to retire, namely Ishikawa, Boll, Ito and Hayata. And then TPE being a part of China, which is even in the Constitution of the Republic of China (ROC), misleadingly referred to by the separatists and many in the West as Taiwan.

"Retire, Tony", however, hits different...

If Taiwan is part of China then why does it have it's own government, currency, flag, army, economy, etc ????

No way does Taiwan want to be part of communist China. Just look at what happened to Hong Kong.

 

[Singshasha]

The content of the argument is none of your business, that's the point.
It's how it should be discussed and resolved that is for debate.

You are calling ego without knowing the content of the argument? Or are you just taking the opportunity to stab him?

Is nextlevel a saint and should I believe everything he says? No, I don’t think so.
Is nextlevel trying to find excuses? it certainly seems so.
Is he trying to defend himself and shifting the blame onto Tony? Seems so too.

I was one of the users asking him if nextlevel can be de-mod. However I’m not going to be part of this transitioning phase of a mod threatening banning on a daily basis. One new mod I think has yet to post since appointment, the other has posted way too much.

 

[songdavid98]

FYI

I also timeout users on discord (for starting drama, I’ll tell them to just dm each other instead).

2 days is a lot though. I would choose 3 hours minimum. 1 day maximum. Maybe more if they are a repeat offender.

You guys should look at this from a moderation point of view. It doesn’t matter how popular Tony is. Timeouts should happen and do happen.

 

[NextLevel]

You are calling ego without knowing the content of the argument? Or are you just taking the opportunity to stab him?

Is nextlevel a saint and should I believe everything he says? No, I don’t think so.
Is nextlevel trying to find excuses? it certainly seems so.
Is he trying to defend himself and shifting the blame onto Tony? Seems so too.

I was one of the users asking him if nextlevel can be de-mod. However I’m not going to be part of this transitioning phase of a mod threatening banning on a daily basis. One new mod I think has yet to post since appointment, the other has posted way too much.

1. I am not a saint.
2. I am trying to defend myself and explain my position. This will always seem like finding excuses.
3. With what I did, was there a risk of Tony not wanting to come back after being banned for 2 days? Sure there was. Was that my desire or intent? Definitely not.

It's entirely a good thing that people are interested in the board enough to ask for a de-mod. The community is important.

 

[NextLevel]

FYI

I also timeout users on discord (for starting drama, I’ll tell them to just dm each other instead).

2 days is a lot though. I would choose 3 hours minimum. 1 day maximum. Maybe more if they are a repeat offender.

You guys should look at this from a moderation point of view. It doesn’t matter how popular Tony is. Timeouts should happen and do happen.

I will be honest, between not understanding how timezones work on the board and rules being updated and being a point of contention, I could and should have handled that differently, though there were mitigating considerations. But these are things I will reflect on later or maybe depending on how things go, not at all.

 

[NetProphet]

You are calling ego without knowing the content of the argument? Or are you just taking the opportunity to stab him?

Is nextlevel a saint and should I believe everything he says? No, I don’t think so.
Is nextlevel trying to find excuses? it certainly seems so.
Is he trying to defend himself and shifting the blame onto Tony? Seems so too.

I was one of the users asking him if nextlevel can be de-mod. However I’m not going to be part of this transitioning phase of a mod threatening banning on a daily basis. One new mod I think has yet to post since appointment, the other has posted way too much.

Nope. The content of the argument is irrelevant. That is the entire point in all of this.

 

[SrSTT]

Tony was banned for 48 hours by myself. I moderated a few posts in a thread discussing the XTWC and we disagreed over how they were being handled. I asked him to PM me or other moderators directly rather than make it a public issue on the forum or I would ban him and he refused to do so because it wasn't in the rules so I banned him for 48 hours. It really is that straightforward.

His account will be active latest by tomorrow morning. In fact, I have considered making it active again already as the intent of the ban was not to drive him away but to make it clear that arguing over every moderator decisions without having it out in private where cooler heads can prevail first is not thr way things will work.

If he is not coming back as a result of my banning him for 2 days, I apologize to all affected. However , being banned for 2 days is not a real ban. It is basically a "let's take a time out since we are not on the same page". The only time I ban people is when they refuse explicitly to discuss in directly with me or another moderator their issues before airing them on the webboard

Feel free to ask any questions about any of this, it is not something I did because I have spite with anyone. In fact, a lot of people think I have dislike for Tony including Tony himself. This is very far from the truth

Wait a second. You're the guy who is promoting the Enron exec/felon in another thread. And you 'time-outed' Tony???
I never noticed that you're a mod.
Curious. Can anyone tell me who exactly owns this forum?

 

[Singshasha]

Nope. The content of the argument is irrelevant. That is the entire point in all of this.

Irrelevant to you?
Relevant to the rest of us with Nextlevel opened the floor for questioning

Feel free to ask any questions about any of this,

 

[mamedium]

best thread of the year

 

[NetProphet]

Irrelevant to you?
Relevant to the rest of us with Nextlevel opened the floor for questioning

Relevant to your curiosity or need to know maybe.
Relevant to the cool down request or the subsequent ban, no.
If someone asks you to cool off and stop posting inciteful comments in public and you say no, you are wrong. End of.
And I say that because a cool down period is a measure that has been applied time and again in here to people who won't relax when asked.
I'm sure the mods can give a list of times this has been done. Why any different here?

And the title of this thread calling it a ban isn't even precise or correct, it's slanted and stirs things.
Proper title would be something along the lines of "Tony given a cool down period, throws toys from pram and decides not to return".