Video Footage Safe Thread

[PenHoldSandro]

Videos, watch 21/04/25

 

[PenHoldSandro]

@NextLevel which one are you? 💀💀💀

 

[NextLevel]

@NextLevel which one are you? 💀💀💀

The African dude who is repeatedly looping.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

The African dude who is repeatedly looping.

Fair fair

Videos, watch 21/04/25

Hey! New videos!

 

[NextLevel]

Fair fair

Hey! New videos!

I looked at the backhand video. It is slightly better but you are still using too much arm to swing and hitting the ball way too far away from your body. Did you post the self multiball somewhere?

You need to figure our where you intend to hit the ball and use an appropriate stroke to hit the ball there. Right now you are reaching out to hit the ball way too far in front rather than waiting for the ball to enter your strike zone and hitting the ball there.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

I looked at the backhand video. It is slightly better but you are still using too much arm to swing and hitting the ball way too far away from your body. Did you post the self multiball somewhere?

At least I am improving
And no, I don't have videos of self multiball, though I didn't record it.

I think this just needs time and practice.

You need to figure our where you intend to hit the ball and use an appropriate stroke to hit the ball there. Right now you are reaching out to hit the ball way too far in front rather than waiting for the ball to enter your strike zone and hitting the ball there.

I see, I'm gonna try that next session!

How about the form, both fh and bh?

 

[NextLevel]

At least I am improving
And no, I don't have videos of self multiball, though I didn't record it.

I think this just needs time and practice.

I see, I'm gonna try that next session!

How about the form, both fh and bh?

It might be equipment apeed but the forehand is broadly reasonable, no matter what issues it has. The backhand is juat not using the arm the right way and it is because you are trying to copy something but still focusing in the wrong things.

Go to 1:29. While that is a hit or small toppspin and not a topspin (and yours is more of a hit too), most of the movement comes from body usage not swinging the upper arm. The arm forms a C shape and is held mostly in place and a body thrust which moves the arm.and body over a short distance and a very slight extension of the forearm (nothing close to as straight as yours) mostly pivoting around a fixed elbow is used to hit thr ball. The thing is that this is the latest video you have sent us and in every video you are still hitting the ball with a large stroke (upper arm and foream are swinging pver large distances). It would be better to send us a video of you blocking the ball with a small stroke and trying to find power with a small stroke. Even if yhe ball is not going anywhere, at least the video would show you were tryinf to make the stroke smaller and not trying so hard to hit the ball. In table tennis, technical improvement tends to begin when you actually make sure you are doing something completely different, especially when it doesn't put the ball on yhe table. People who always want to put the ball on the table, especially with power, almost never change because they can only do so using what they already think works.

All the comments by Wang Hao on elbow usage and stability are worth noting.

The problem might be that you want a faster ball and your equipment is slow. Forget about speed and get the technique right first.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

It might be equipment apeed but the forehand is broadly reasonable, no matter what issues it has.

Good to know thatmy forehand is right, just more practice

The backhand is juat not using the arm the right way and it is because you are trying to copy something but still focusing in the wrong things.

Unfortunate... more practice then.

Go to 1:29. While that is a hit or small toppspin and not a topspin (and yours is more of a hit too), most of the movement comes from body usage not swinging the upper arm. The arm forms a C shape and is held mostly in place and a body thrust which moves the arm.and body over a short distance and a very slight extension of the forearm (nothing close to as straight as yours) mostly pivoting around a fixed elbow is used to hit thr ball. The thing is that this is the latest video you have sent us and in every video you are still hitting the ball with a large stroke (upper arm and foream are swinging pver large distances). It would be better to send us a video of you blocking the ball with a small stroke and trying to find power with a small stroke. Even if yhe ball is not going anywhere, at least the video would show you were tryinf to make the stroke smaller and not trying so hard to hit the ball. In table tennis, technical improvement tends to begin when you actually make sure you are doing something completely different, especially when it doesn't put the ball on yhe table. People who always want to put the ball on the table, especially with power, almost never change because they can only do so using what they already think works.

All the comments by Wang Hao on elbow usage and stability are worth noting.

The problem might be that you want a faster ball and your equipment is slow. Forget about speed and get the technique right first.

Alright, keep elbow placed properly (again) and make the stroke smaller. Got it >

 

[NextLevel]

Good to know thatmy forehand is right, just more practice

Unfortunate... more practice then.

Alright, keep elbow placed properly (again) and make the stroke smaller. Got it >

With the forehand you can work on little things like trying to hit thr ball at different speeds and trying to add much more rotation. Rotation is what keeps the ball safe and is also what keeps you consistent when you swing harder. Ysually if you miss when you swing harder, your timing and your ability to add rotation arr inadequate together. In doing so, you may have adjust the size of your swing, the contact point on yhe ball and your ability to read the ball better. But my point is that for where you are in learning, the forehand is reasonable.

The backhand is not a technically correct stroke. Get it into the technical area and then you can focus on making it better

 

[NDH]

Haven't posted any practice video in forever - trying to make my backhand and forehand more compact, but more my forehand than my backhand in this video. They both have issues but I don't have a practice partner who can block at the practice speed I would like to do (and this particular practice partner likes to play blocks to win points so I have to be a bit more careful for consistency. But if I find someone who can practice the way I really want to, I might post video that.

For those who don't know, I have bad knees, I used to wear lots of supports but now I just try to wing it, do glute exercises and take collagen supplements. Not wearing any supports here or these days.

Firstly, can I just say how impressed I am with your partners outfit? The inverted Carrot is such an underrated look! 🥕

No advice on offer here, I know you didn't post for that.

It's been a while since I've seen you play, but I actually thought you look more fluid and consistent than last time - Great job!

 

[PenHoldSandro]

With the forehand you can work on little things like trying to hit thr ball at different speeds and trying to add much more rotation. Rotation is what keeps the ball safe and is also what keeps you consistent when you swing harder. Ysually if you miss when you swing harder, your timing and your ability to add rotation arr inadequate together. In doing so, you may have adjust the size of your swing, the contact point on yhe ball and your ability to read the ball better. But my point is that for where you are in learning, the forehand is reasonable.

I see, rotate more. If you don't notice, I'm actually rotating more in my most recent video, so yeah.

Nice that my forehand is good for my level

The backhand is not a technically correct stroke. Get it into the technical area and then you can focus on making it better

I see, got it! Even get it slow first

Btw, how long do you think I'm playing? I'll answer once you guess

 

[NextLevel]

I see, rotate more. If you don't notice, I'm actually rotating more in my most recent video, so yeah.

Nice that my forehand is good for my level

I see, got it! Even get it slow first

Btw, how long do you think I'm playing? I'll answer once you guess

I don't mean rotate your body more. I mean try to get more spin on the ball. Spin = rotation.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Okay I understand.

I posted footage recently of a match I had and then week or two later some footage of where I made the assessment that vs this one player I was playing service receive poorly. In both instances, I had feedback that was constructive and what I was looking to discuss. Nothing was blatantly negative or something I'd refer to as troll like. They were normal conversations about improving one's game. So based on that experience, I was not aware this is / was an issue on the board at the time. So it just struck me as exclusionary.

Knowing what was going on at the time, I get the overall goal of the thread as a place were people can honestly look for feedback. Hope there are no hard feelings.

Glad you have not had that experience. Hopefully that continues to be the case. It would be nice to think that, in certain ways, some behavior on the forum has improved. Based on the footage, it looks like you are a solid player.

Also glad you understand the purpose of the thread. It is only for people who want feedback from people who have been hand picked for their experience giving useful feedback.

In the end, the more people who post footage, the better and the better we get to know people on the forum. I do think it is great that you have been comfortable posting footage without anyone encouraging you as to why it would be useful. Some of the things that can happen when a person is hiding behind the anonymity of the internet are not so great. The people who share a bit of who they and how they actually play are more likely to give constructive feedback on multiple topics on the forum.

Certain people will say all kinds of things they never would say to your face if they think you don't know who they are. So, posting footage can be extremely beneficial to the forum and how people interact on the forum. Not always, but often, when someone has posted footage of themself, they also give higher quality commentary and are more thoughtful about what they are saying. And this thread is simply an attempt to make it so people have a safe haven to post footage and ask for constructive feedback when they are not comfortable showing footage on the open forum where some forum members might say anything.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

I don't mean rotate your body more. I mean try to get more spin on the ball. Spin = rotation.

Oh 💀💀💀

Speaking of which, please answer the other question, since idk if I'm good for my time playing tt 😅

 

[NextLevel]

Oh 💀💀💀

Speaking of which, please answer the other question, since idk if I'm good for my time playing tt 😅

You posted your time playing else where but if you have been playing less than a year you are okay, but sometimes it is not about time but about whether you are getting the right instruction. You only know how good someone is playing from when they play matches. Practice strokes tell you little - I also cannot see the ball trajectory and the training partner/opponent. I looked at your match video and your acceleration on forehand and backhand are not sharp and to me, that is when real table tennis begins - when you can accelerate the forearm and fingers and get good spin on both forehand and backhand. Then it is hard to tell the level of player. But right now, you are mostly just hitting the ball. Getting well timed acceleration to generate spin is the missing part. Then you can hit the ball harder without thinking about it.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

You posted your time playing else where but if you have been playing less than a year you are okay, but sometimes it is not about time but about whether you are getting the right instruction. You only know how good someone is playing from when they play matches. Practice strokes tell you little - I also cannot see the ball trajectory and the training partner/opponent. I looked at your match video and your acceleration on forehand and backhand are not sharp and to me, that is when real table tennis begins - when you can accelerate the forearm and fingers and get good spin on both forehand and backhand. Then it is hard to tell the level of player. But right now, you are mostly just hitting the ball. Getting well timed acceleration to generate spin is the missing part. Then you can hit the ball harder without thinking about it.

Then I am good I guess; playing for a bit over a year, but only 6 months of it (since october, had help from a coach. Hence why I wont really consider it)

When in matchplay, I usually get scared of activating the spin I had during practice (esp. on forehand) because I might miss. Though from the matchplays Ive seen of me, I am hitting very well on the forehand. Not the backhand though xD.

So, how do I get good spin on my forehand?

 

[NextLevel]

Then I am good I guess; playing for a bit over a year, but only 6 months of it (since october, had help from a coach. Hence why I wont really consider it)

When in matchplay, I usually get scared of activating the spin I had during practice (esp. on forehand) because I might miss. Though from the matchplays Ive seen of me, I am hitting very well on the forehand. Not the backhand though xD.

So, how do I get good spin on my forehand?

Practice making the ball rotate. There is probably a penhold version of this somewhere:

 

[Lula]

Then I am good I guess; playing for a bit over a year, but only 6 months of it (since october, had help from a coach. Hence why I wont really consider it)

When in matchplay, I usually get scared of activating the spin I had during practice (esp. on forehand) because I might miss. Though from the matchplays Ive seen of me, I am hitting very well on the forehand. Not the backhand though xD.

So, how do I get good spin on my forehand?

Can brush upward or over the ball. Upward often more against backspin and over the ball more against topspin. Could be easier to hook on the right side at the ball against no spin/topspin. Spin comes from snapping the forarm together, relax and tighten.
Try these tips:
- Try pressing the thumb so racket angle become closed.
- Follow the sound. Thick no spin hit will sound more, topspin much less. Try playing soft.
- try looping by hitting the ball under the table, then you are forced to make topspin. So drop the ball on floor then loop or looping far away.
- opening against half long ball, will force you to use the forarm. It is from the forearm snap that you create spin
- hold a ball in your hand and loop over the ball. Maybe put a pencil through the ball and loop. Or loop on another big wheel, maybe with the hand on a bicycle.
- looping against a barrier and make the ball go up
- probably easier to learn against multiball

I think it could be wise to follow the results, if you get spin the technique is good. Looping technique goal is really to get spin. Good luck

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I agree with this....

@greenbeanmachine: I think you need to read the first post in this thread. If you have already read it, read it again.

Just to make sure you know what I am talking about, here, I am quoting the first post of the thread here:

This thread is for forum members to post footage of yourself. This is different than a regular thread. I will moderate this thread heavily. Anyone can post footage. But the only people who can comment on the footage are people who have been specifically selected because they are players who are able to give useful commentary.

These are the players who can give commentary on video footage:

1) Baal
2) Der_Echte
3) NDH
4) Richie
5) Lula
6) NextLevel
7) Brs
8) Takkyu_wa_inochi
9) Tinykin
10) pingpongpaddy
11) Tony's Table Tennis
12) Victor Moraga
13) cytivrat
14) ander999


Anyone can post footage. However, if anyone not on the list above tries to post commentary on footage, that commentary will be deleted. If someone presents commentary to me via PM for posting, and I deem it okay to post, I may make exceptions to this every so often. I also am reserving the right to edit the list and add if I decide someone is capable of making good, insightful commentary.

Hopefully, this will make it so people feel comfortable posting footage of themselves for people on the forum to see and get to know each other without feeling like the commentary that happens after posting footage is uncalled for. Also, if you wanted to post footage but would prefer nobody comments on the footage you present, you can ask that. I will help make that happen as well.


Again, comments from people who are not on the list above will get deleted.

Based on the rules of this thread, I don't see you on that list. So, you cannot comment on people's technique in this thread no matter how well meaning you are.

Thanks for understanding. If you wanted to be on that list, there is a process. The first part would be, you would have to post footage of yourself.

In the meantime, you can post footage of yourself for commentary from people who have already been vetted and are on that list. You can ask questions of the people on that list. There is certain kinds of comments you can make on this thread that do not include commenting about technique from someone's posted footage. What you can't do is comment on the technique of someone who is asking for commentary from the people authorized to give commentary in this thread.

If @PenHoldSandro wants your feedback, he could PM you and get it in a private message from you. But, I am sorry, you can't comment on the footage and give advice about the technique in this thread unless you are on that list.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

If you’d been looking enough, you’d know it’s pretty essential to allow people to post and ask for advice like this, without some absolute novice keyboard warrior spewing “textbook form” from their “Table Tennis 101” handbook….

No gate keeping, just common sense.

Without a doubt true. But, with the understanding that there aren't a ton of seasoned expert coaches or top players on this site but this thread is the best attempt at getting close to that, it is a fair question for @suds79 or others to wonder what requirement gives someone permission to give advice apart from not being rude and being an above average amateur player but an amateur player nonetheless. Meeting those two requirements alone definitely does not guarantee that someone can actually give useful advice in all situations that might come up on this thread. A quick description of each of the approved posters would probably be helpful in letting people know what they are getting, which is the point of this thread. Something along the lines of "this poster has X proven level, plays in this league, plays this style, coaches at this reputable club, coached these players, has learned from this well-known coach" ... etc