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After 2-4 QD at WTTC 2023, F Lebrun has been on a 29-win streak in MS and MT against non-CNT players since European Games 2023.
 
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Seems clear now that Felix Lebrun doesn't just have an impressive mentality for a teenager, but has an impressive mentality even among the best players in the world.

Whereas someone like Matsushima can go on 0-11 runs due to getting frustrated and forcing a winner against his opponent (there are many instances in many of his matches where he demonstrates bizarre and exagerrated follow-throughs with a frustrated look on his face), Felix really doesn't appear to let what happened in previous points get in the way of what he has to do in the current point.

Maybe keeping the pace high and rushing into the next point isn't so bad so long as it isn't motivated by a desire to quickly 'get one back.' The advantage besides you being more used to the higher pace may be not letting the opponent have time to enjoy any momentum, confidence, or sense of control over the match.
I think that the reason for the comeback in the match with Dang was Felix’s superiority in speed, which he knew about. With all due respect to Dang, today these are players of different levels. This may sound offensive to Dang, but no matter how technically perfect you are, if your opponent is 1.5 times faster than you, you will lose to him. And another very important point. Felix knows perfectly well that he is faster and knows how to win, so why waste time?
Mental toughness can show itself against players of equal level. For example, in the match with Ma Long, Felix psychologically failed the 5th set, although he had every chance of winning.
 
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I think that the reason for the comeback in the match with Dang was Felix’s superiority in speed, which he knew about. With all due respect to Dang, today these are players of different levels. This may sound offensive to Dang, but no matter how technically perfect you are, if your opponent is 1.5 times faster than you, you will lose to him. And another very important point. Felix knows perfectly well that he is faster and knows how to win, so why waste time?
Mental toughness can show itself against players of equal level. For example, in the match with Ma Long, Felix psychologically failed the 5th set, although he had every chance of winning.
Felix the Flash Lebrun is probably faster in terms of rallying speed than any player on tour right now, slowing him down is really hard, for me the fact that Dima could match up said a lot about Dima's level as a historic player. And the fact that Lim managed to beat him in French League says a lot as well.
 
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I hear you, I am just pointing out that as much as Hayata has "matured", she hasn't done anything that Hirano and Ito didn't do years ago. So it isn't entirely clear that maturity works the way you think it does, though I sympathize with your arguments, to be honest. But on the point of Miwa Harimoto's level, which is our main point, since you are not talking about that, then we really don't have much to debate.
One may say I've been overly critical of Hayata (to the chagrin of pongfugrasshopper LOL), but it doesn't help Hayata's case when even Ito, her XD partner Harimoto and even Mizutani have specifically talked about it.

I mean, it's not just me. See what Tieba users say about Hayata. The Tieba thread from 2023/4 during WTT CS Macao 2023 on the CNT dominance (last one below), where it is pointed out Szocs, Samara, DHK, YJN, Ni Xia Lian etc. have also beaten core CNT players, also casts a shadow over Hayata's wins later on.

A Tieba thread from 2023/8 after WTT CT Rio de Janeiro 2023 which Hayata won, in which the OP asks why everyone, OP included, thinks of Hirano as more threatening than Hayata.
以哪个00后外协会对女队威胁最大 (Who among the overseas players born after 2000 poses the most threat to the women's team?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8557547886
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为什么大家觉得平野比早田威胁大(我也投了平野) (Why does everyone think of Hirano as more threatening than Hayata (I voted for Hirano also)
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端2楼2023-08-18 15:00

国羽加油: 因为早田希娜打败不了孙颖莎,平野美宇打败了 (Because Hayata couldn't beat SYS, yet Hirano did).
2023-8-18 15:14

fatfatfat: 回复 国羽加油 :其实早田威胁没那么大,她赢主力的次数不如伊藤和平野多,对国乒非主力倒是很有威胁 (Hayata is actually not that threatening, her number of wins over core players is not as high as Ito and Hirano, though she is very threatening against non-core CNT players)
2023-8-18 15:31

苦涩的青木瓜: 回复 fatfatfat :平野不如早田稳定,神一阵鬼一阵的,综合考虑的话还是早田威胁大一点 (Hirano is not as consistent as Hayata,
2023-8-18 19:04

北港live: 早田球商低,完全靠努力 (Hayata's TT quotient is low, completely by hardwork)
2023-8-18 20:16

This one is from 2023/9 during ATTC 2023, in which the OP starts by wondering "why is Hayata so fond of swinging wildly...".
【平野美宇】唯一看起来专业的 [Hirano Miu] The only one who looks professional
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8585605149
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早田怎么爱乱抡呢… (Why is Hayata so fond of swinging wildly...)
IP属地:四川来自iPhone客户端1楼2023-09-05 10:15

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平野的威胁不比早田差 (Hirano's threat is not necessarily lower than Hayata's)
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端2楼2023-09-05 10:19

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平野威胁还是有的 (Hirano's threat is still there)
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端3楼2023-09-05 10:39

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我觉得这次团体早田的心态没有平野好 (I think Hayata’s mentality in WT this time is not as good as Hirano’s)
IP属地:河南来自Android客户端4楼2023-09-05 11:20

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平野应该是女队现役击球节奏最快的运动员了,不过她只有快,其他方面对比国乒就差了 (Hirano is likely the female athlete with the fastest shot pace, but she only has speed, and is inferior to the CNT in other aspects)
IP属地:北京来自Android客户端7楼2023-09-07 08:34

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只要不让平野快起来,她就只剩摇头晃脑了 (As long as Hirano can't get up to speed, she will be left shaking her head)
IP属地:辽宁来自iPhone客户端8楼2023-09-07 09:17

This one is from 2023/10 after Asian Games 2022, in which the OP asks people to rank Ito/Hirano/Harimoto/Kihara/Nagasaki, with Hayata sitting in her own class.
日乒五朵金花,伊藤平野张本木原长崎,实力怎么排?早田除外独一档 (The 5 golden flowers of JNT, Ito/Hirano/Harimoto/Kihara/Nagasaki, how would you rank them by stength? Except for Hayata who is alone in her own class
麻辣虾尾
平野伊藤张本木原长崎 (Hirano, Ito, Harimoto, Kihara, Nagasaki)
潜力 (Potential)
张本平野长崎木原伊藤 (Harimoto, Hirano, Nagasaki, Kihara, Ito)
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端2楼2023-10-08 10:26

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这周和孙颖莎的比赛,早田是毫无胜算,美和还有赢的可能,而且美和昨天还战术错误。 (In the match against SYS this week, Hayata had no chance, Miwa still had some odds of winning, and Miwa made a tactical error yesterday.)
IP属地:四川来自Android客户端3楼2023-10-08 11:12

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稍微懂球都知道打法决定上限,张本妈妈是一个削球手,却让儿女练双反,也有一定的前瞻性。而且身高也是改球之后的一个优势,张本和长崎之后的发展会更好 (Anyone who knows a little bit about table tennis knows that the playing style determines the upper limit. Harimoto’s mother is a chopper, but she has her children practice double-inverted, which is forward-looking to some extent. And height is also an advantage after the change of ball. Harimoto and Nagasaki will develop better in the future)
IP属地:广东来自iPhone客户端4楼2023-10-08 12:16
呵哒哒呵哒: 张本妈是削球,张本爹是直板正胶,教不明白横板两面反胶,启蒙就不好,框架打得都有问题。 (Harimoto's mom is a chopper and her dad is penhold non-inverted, if they don't teach shakehand double-inverted well, then the fundamentals would be not good, and the framework of play would become problematic.)
2023-10-8 13:00
宅龙🐉: 回复 呵哒哒呵哒 :有什么教不明白的,你去学乒乓球就知道,小孩子最先学习的是双反,孩子长大后才会选择打法,但如果是职业选手等到十几岁再变就太迟了,职业选手的打法大多都是父母帮其选择的 (There no such thing as not teaching well, you will know when you learn table tennis. The first thing a child learns is double-inverted. Children will choose their playing style after they grow up. But if a professional player waits until he is a teenager to change, it will be too late, most of the playing styles of professional players are chosen by their parents)
2023-10-8 13:10
宅龙🐉: 回复 呵哒哒呵哒 :直板现在就是一个鸡肋,反手拧拉质量远不及横板,张本要是跟他爸选直板早就被淘汰了 (Penhold is chicken ribs now, the quality of chiquita is far inferior to that of shakehand. If Harimoto's dad had chosen penhold for him, he would have been eliminated long ago.
2023-10-8 13:12

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现在肯定平野第一,鱼丝排的 (Now it is definitely Hirano first, as ranked by WMY's fans)
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This one is from 2023/4 during WTT CS Macao 2023.
这一代国女乒是不是历史上统治力最强的一代 (Is this generation of women's CNT the strongest in history in terms of dominance?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8377518400
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感觉陈梦王曼昱孙颖莎她们三位,无论是技战术水平还是实力厚度,都对外协有降维打击啊,而且她们三位互相竞争,不相上下,给人一种神仙斗法的感觉。 (I feel that, CM, WMY and SYS, the 3 of them have a dimension-reducing impact on the foreign associations, both in terms of technical and tactical level and depth of strength. Moreover, the 3 of them compete with each other and are on par, giving people a sense of battles between gods.)
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端1楼2023-04-23 19:28

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这话成都世乒赛那会儿也看过 (I read about this notion back at WTTC 2022)
IP属地:江苏来自iPhone客户端2楼2023-04-23 19:36
幻影星光: 后面啥场面真是不愿回想,只能说话不能乱讲,牛逼不能乱吹 (I really don’t want to think back of what happened subsequently. I can only say that exercise caution with what you say and brag)
2023-4-24 09:55

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别说了,万一搞的德班输外协 (Stop it, what if they lose to foregin associations at WTTC Durban because of this)
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端4楼2023-04-23 19:42
………~: 7局4胜 概率小 (BO7, low probability)
2023-4-25 09:54

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你去了解一下06 08 世乒赛女团阵容,两位大满贯王楠张怡宁,未来的大满贯李晓霞,最年轻世锦赛单打冠军郭跃,世界杯单打冠军郭焱。那时候的年轻小将都是丁宁刘诗雯这样的。你觉得能甩现在的阵容几条街啊。 (Go look up on the WTTC 2006 and 2008 WT lineups, 2 Grand Slam holders Wang Nan and Zhang Yining, future Grand Slam holder Li Xiaoxia, the youngest WTTC WS champion Guo Yue, and World Cup holder Guo Yan. The young players at that time were all like Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen. How far ahead do you think they can shake off the current lineup?)
IP属地:北京8楼2023-04-23 22:12

射手座丁一
斯佐科斯萨马拉杜凯琹袁嘉楠看着你 (Szocs, Samara, DHK and YJN stare at you)
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端5楼2023-04-23 19:45

咸蛋崽
说早了 外协除了莎守住了意外其他人不都输过了吗 (Spoke too soon. Except for Sha, everyone else has lost to foreign associations, haven't they?)
IP属地:江西来自Android客户端10楼2023-04-24 02:41

扣帽子是弟弟
不是,我觉得应该是08周期张怡宁李晓霞郭跃那个时候 (No, I think it should be the 2008 cycle with Zhang Yining, Li Xiaoxia and Guo Yue)
IP属地:辽宁来自Android客户端11楼2023-04-24 03:21

eric11235813
这一代有统治力?每次打外协都如履薄冰的,不要说王楠张怡宁那代,就连郭跃李晓霞那代都不如 (This generation is dominant? When they play like they are treading on thin ice every time against foreign associations, not to mention the generation of Wang Nan and Zhang Yining, not even comparable to the generation of Guo Yue and Li Xiaoxia)
IP属地:上海来自iPhone客户端15楼2023-04-25 02:33

神奥义冥帝
看打外协水平这么说不太准,去年王和陈不也一轮二轮游,就莎一个人能守住 (It’s not accurate to say that given the level displayed against foreign associtions. Last year, didn't Wang [Manyu] and Chen suffer 1st and 2nd round exit, and Sha was the only one who held her own)
IP属地:辽宁来自iPhone客户端16楼2023-04-25 06:55

hunyua9
不看看十来年前的那一批无敌女兵么?不想想福原爱为什么受国人喜爱么? (Why don’t you take a look at the group of invincible female players from more than 10 years ago? Why do you think Fukuhara Ai is loved by the Chinese people?)
IP属地:广东来自Android客户端17楼2023-04-25 07:07

天下第一樊振东
王楠张怡宁时代是最强的,她们不考虑输赢而是让国外几个才能别让人家哭 (The era of Wang Nan and Zhang Yining was the strongest. They didn’t consider winning or losing but gave a multiple-point handicap to the overseas players so as to not make them cry)
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端20楼2023-04-25 07:57

华夏大地22
世锦赛女双银牌都丢了,这一代不行 (They even lost the WTTC WD silver medal, this generation is no good)
IP属地:上海来自Android客户端21楼2023-04-25 08:16

贴吧用户_GSt558e
主要是现在没强力外协,只有一个伊藤有威胁 (The main reason is that there are no strong foreign associations now, with only Ito posing some threat)
IP属地:浙江来自Android客户端22楼2023-04-25 13:56

冬海爱衣
毫无疑问,大魔王时期才是最安逸 (There is no doubt that the period of the Great Demon King [TL's note: Zhang Yining] is the most comfortable one)
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One may say I've been overly critical of Hayata (to the chagrin of pongfugrasshopper LOL), but it doesn't help Hayata's case when even Ito, her XD partner Harimoto and even Mizutani have specifically talked about it.

I mean, it's not just me. See what Tieba users say about Hayata. The Tieba thread from 2023/4 during WTT CS Macao 2023 on the CNT dominance (last one below), where it is pointed out Szocs, Samara, DHK, YJN, Ni Xia Lian etc. have also beaten core CNT players, also casts a shadow over Hayata's wins later on.

A Tieba thread from 2023/8 after WTT CT Rio de Janeiro 2023 which Hayata won, in which the OP asks why everyone, OP included, thinks of Hirano as more threatening than Hayata.
以哪个00后外协会对女队威胁最大 (Who among the overseas players born after 2000 poses the most threat to the women's team?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8557547886


This one is from 2023/9 during ATTC 2023, in which the OP starts by wondering "why is Hayata so fond of swinging wildly...".
【平野美宇】唯一看起来专业的 [Hirano Miu] The only one who looks professional
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8585605149


This one is from 2023/10 after Asian Games 2022, in which the OP asks people to rank Ito/Hirano/Harimoto/Kihara/Nagasaki, with Hayata sitting in her own class.
日乒五朵金花,伊藤平野张本木原长崎,实力怎么排?早田除外独一档 (The 5 golden flowers of JNT, Ito/Hirano/Harimoto/Kihara/Nagasaki, how would you rank them by stength? Except for Hayata who is alone in her own class


This one is from 2023/4 during WTT CS Macao 2023.
这一代国女乒是不是历史上统治力最强的一代 (Is this generation of women's CNT the strongest in history in terms of dominance?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8377518400

One may say I've been overly critical of Hayata (to the chagrin of pongfugrasshopper LOL), but it doesn't help Hayata's case when even Ito, her XD partner Harimoto and even Mizutani have specifically talked about it.

I mean, it's not just me. See what Tieba users say about Hayata. The Tieba thread from 2023/4 during WTT CS Macao 2023 on the CNT dominance (last one below), where it is pointed out Szocs, Samara, DHK, YJN, Ni Xia Lian etc. have also beaten core CNT players, also casts a shadow over Hayata's wins later on.

A Tieba thread from 2023/8 after WTT CT Rio de Janeiro 2023 which Hayata won, in which the OP asks why everyone, OP included, thinks of Hirano as more threatening than Hayata.
以哪个00后外协会对女队威胁最大 (Who among the overseas players born after 2000 poses the most threat to the women's team?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8557547886


This one is from 2023/9 during ATTC 2023, in which the OP starts by wondering "why is Hayata so fond of swinging wildly...".
【平野美宇】唯一看起来专业的 [Hirano Miu] The only one who looks professional
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8585605149


This one is from 2023/10 after Asian Games 2022, in which the OP asks people to rank Ito/Hirano/Harimoto/Kihara/Nagasaki, with Hayata sitting in her own class.
日乒五朵金花,伊藤平野张本木原长崎,实力怎么排?早田除外独一档 (The 5 golden flowers of JNT, Ito/Hirano/Harimoto/Kihara/Nagasaki, how would you rank them by stength? Except for Hayata who is alone in her own class


This one is from 2023/4 during WTT CS Macao 2023.
这一代国女乒是不是历史上统治力最强的一代 (Is this generation of women's CNT the strongest in history in terms of dominance?)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8377518400
I guess the Hayata debate has to spill onto TTD LOL. It's all good. As mentioned in the links you've quoted, I think there's just a general recognition that the Japanese, including Hayata, have to do more to beat the top 3. That's not a knock of Hayata, It's just the reality of the situation for all of them. And although it's true that Mizutani said beating WYD to get the bronze at the WC is "the bare minimum", he also balances out his comments with "Currently, I think Hayata is the most stable and powerful player among Japanese women". And I agree that Hayata has more to do. I think Hayata herself would tell you she has more to do. But rather than calling for her retirement and knocking her down at any misstep, I prefer to compliment her when she medals at the World Championships and Asian Games beating one of the top CNT women to get there.

Relative to this discussion, if the norm now is to have teen age superstars (Felix, Miwa, LSD, Hirano, Ito), I suppose you could call Hayata a late bloomer although in some sports, 23 yrs old is still very early in their career. Every player develops and peaks at their own pace so I wouldn't say one is better than the other. We all marvel at what is capable at such a young age when we see Miwa and Felix. But I'm just as happy to see Hayata and Szocs play at an exceptional level at their more mature age.
 
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Speaking of Hayata, that was a very impressive come from behind win against Bernie. Halfway through the 4th set, it looked like sure win for Bernie. Hayata was popping those tomahawk serves up every single time and never had the initiative on receive. In the rallies Bernie was beating her with high spinny shots Hayata would send long.

I'm actually not even sure how she did it because she never really seemed comfortable until the very end. Kinda just accepted that she would be under pressure early and play the point through anyway.
 
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So happy for Hina, but also so sad for Bernie. I have a feeling all the CNT and JNT women will be practicing receiving variations of the tomahawk serve. Kudos to Bernie Szocs for a great effort.
I suspect there will be a push for Bernie's toss to be more tightly umpired. It's not blatantly illegal but that toss is often suspicious either in height or trajectory and it isn't a sharp toss (the palm follows the ball a bit thereby making a reading of the toss height harder).
 
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So I was there on Wednesday and wanted to share my thoughts in no particular order.

1. Great matches! I was lucky to have picked such a day with three huge upsets and quality matches overall.

2. The crowd was very fair except for the few Chinese that did not tolerate any cheers for opponents and immediately countered them. They were in the minority but still unbelievably loud. Once the Chinese players were done the ones I did spot left.

3. Yes, there are very cheap tickets, but those seats are not great. I paid 40€ for this seat which I actually really liked. I'm going Saturday again for the semi-finals which cost 55€ for the left side of table. Food and drinks are obviously expensive, but not the worst I have seen. 4€ for a 0,5l coke. Still too much if you spend the entire day there.

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4. The infinity arena looks great. It's actually really cool how dark the seats get and the table has all the light. Still a few dumb people there that did not turn off the flash. Audience can get blinded by the lights below the player entrance stage when they flash around. Happened to me multiple times.

5. Seats are made of hard-shelled plastic. Not great when you spend six hours on them. The rows are way too narrow. You have zero space. I couldn't even put my jacket over the seat. Way too risky to put a cup anywhere so you are better off buying a bottle you can close.

6. There are screens in the corners of the arena, but they are too small. I had a hard time reading the score if I didn't keep up myself.

7. The air in the arena only got worse towards the end of the evening.

8. The layout of the arena is very good. You don't have to break your neck to view the table. My neck still hurt after so many hours, though.

9. Get rid of those privileged seats between the box and general crowd. I don't know if they pay filthy money or are for people with badges, but they can obstruct the view for the first and second row to the left and right of the table. I will be sitting in the second row on Saturday so I'm gonna be pissed.

10. There was only one (big) toilet for women, men and impaired people. That's not enough for this amount of people (up to 5000). Paper towels were empty real quick and never got refilled.

11. The pathing is horrible when everyone tries to leave. People standing in line for two food and drink stalls, one information stall, three merch stalls when most try to leave while the rest wants to go to the toilet. Basically too many people blocking each other.

12. The fan village is a f*** joke. Inside one small tent are one normal table and three mini tables with NO space behind you. There was also one table outside between that tent and a big screen. The problem is that there also three food and drink stalls plus one tent where you can get autographs around said tent. So basically once again too many people blocking each other. There is actually way more space that could have been used outside but simply wasn't. If you do want to use the break between sessions you should use your time wisely. I tried to get food in a restaurant, but that failed and I ended up having to wait 20 minutes to get one overpriced crêpe and almost missed the start of Dima's match. I did not bother with any of the other stalls (there is one where you can let your spin get measured).

13. As far as I know autograph sessions only get announced the day they are happening. That's bad for planning. I need that Ma Long signature on my blade case 😭

14. 5€ to park your car. One bus stop and train station close to the arena.

15. The streaming camera is actually a telescope camera. It moves down after every point and goes up again before every serve. We could have a lower viewing angle but the camera is also positioned behind the assistant umpire. There were three other cameras, but none on my side. Also no ceiling camera.

16. THE BALL DOES NOT BOUNCE OFF THE FLOOR 😅

17. Man, I wish I could always serve as low as the pros.

18. Not the first time I have seen pros play, but I have to mention you do lose speed on stream/video.

19. Their top spins barely go over the net just like their serves.

20. I don't think I have ever seen so many service errors in a single tournament.

21. Not much to say about the matches. You have seen them. The crowd was very loud for Bernie deservedly so. Definitely the loudest for Dima. Lots of people unfortunately left right afterwards and did not stay for Sabine's match.

22. Umpires' performance needs to reviewed when questionable decisions happen. Chen Meng clearly did not hit the edge. The replay was shown twice and it definitely was side, but the umpire did not reverse her decision. The crowd was not happy and booed her. Shin Yubin just now did not hit the net with her serve. It's the same umpire. Replay proved it.

23. Ma Lin swallowed Chen's defeat and stayed quiet.

24. Wang Hao was not happy when two of his players lost. He had a lot to say to them after their match. He actually left Fan in the box after he told him off. He was still grabbing his things while Wang Hao was already out the door looking at his phone.

25. Wang Hao did smile when Wang Chuqin redeemed the CNT.

26. Sun Yingsha actually had a lot to say to the coach after her victory.

27. Zhou Qihao was there as training partner and cheered for WCQ.

28. Wang Chuqin does not seem to serve over the table, but he is veeery close.

29. Dima only hit two winners with his forehand. His big backhand won him way more points.

30. Lee Sang-su is a madman. Unbelievable performance. His over the table wristy backhand killed Fan. It's actually disgusting how many half long or short balls the players were able to flick.

31. Lots of head shaking from Fan and Sun when they made bad serves and got punished.

32. I do think it's good that there are basically no breaks between matches in a single session, but you get punished for taking a toilet break or buying a drink.

33. I'm glad I didn't buy a ticket for the entire week. That single day was already exhausting.

34. I did happen to meet quite a few people I know like the manager from the Weinheim women's team in the first Bundesliga. Nice surprise that made me happy. The table tennis world is small.

35. I guess that's it. Sorry for the outrageously long post. If you have any questions or want me to take pictures tomorrow feel free to ask.
 
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WTT really needs to improve fan experience from other than just TT.
and those VIP seat there? are like so small haha.
in Singapore Smash, those seat cost the same amount as the winner's prize money.
And it was a proper couch
There was a proper couch on either side for the player's team besides the coach's couch. 😅
 
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There was a proper couch on either side for the player's team besides the coach's couch. 😅
I can't seem to find VVIP ticket price.
Maybe it requires a special login/website

Singapore Smash was "public" info. I recall the VVIP ticket cost 166k Singapore Dollar. Which equates to about 120k USD
 
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I can't seem to find VVIP ticket price.
Maybe it requires a special login/website

Singapore Smash was "public" info. I recall the VVIP ticket cost 166k Singapore Dollar. Which equates to about 120k USD
Yeah, I can only find this, but I meant there was a couch for teammates you can't really see on stream. Dima's family was watching him from there.

EDIT: I know some people sitting on the VIP chairs had badges, but most of them must have paid way too much money.

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Yeah, I can only find this, but I meant there was a couch for teammates you can't really see on stream. Dima's family was watching him from there.

EDIT: I know some people sitting on the VIP chairs had badges, but most of them must have paid way too much money.

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Here is the smash link

there is an extra tab (next to ticketing tab) called VIP Hospitality.
 
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Here is the smash link

there is an extra tab (next to ticketing tab) called VIP Hospitality.
I can only shake my head at those prices. The Champions tournament in Frankfurt was looking for so many volunteers in all kinds of departments (only benefit access to the venue). If WTT does that for every tournament they are trying to save money everywhere they can. Have you heard whether they are making much profit on the events?
 
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