WTT Champions Frankfurt 2024

[PoppaChubby]

I don't follow that tactics point of view, simply because I remember how Gauzy was the shadow of himself after Tokyo 2021, loosing early in WTTC Houston right after that. It really looks like a burn-out, something the chinese mentality does not accept nor want to understand. The only thing they do is screaming and yelling to their athletes as if they were dogs ignoring their commands.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

. The only thing they do is screaming and yelling to their athletes as if they were dogs ignoring their commands.

You've been in the training hall with the CNT and seen this? Name your sources!

 

[Angerer]

What a comeback by Walther, a true legend <3

As someone of a similar physical shape but taller, I admire how he manages to move his body effectively during rallies. My boi has so much game read and feeling, love it. Normally, I can only enjoy his games in TTBL, but seeing him win internationally (especially as a WC) brings me so much joy.

 

[PoppaChubby]

I know people who speak to Fan Zhendong. Let's just say you have no clue what you are taking about and the amount self-torture he puts himself through.

Completely different then: means he's able to recover even if it's by using SM psycho techniques. WCQ does not seem to be able to put himself in that kind of mental structure where you push your soul into the limits.

I can tell ya what a burn-out is, I'm having one, and I can tell you you're completely lost and you simply can't push yourself further, does it mean I'm a weak person ? being weak, strong, normal can't be defined that easily even with the DSM V. You just can be your normal self.

To summarize, I've suffered from a shoulder injury, surgery, 6 months physio. Then I had to work for for free for my neighbors cos' our housing building had many issues (guard that fell from a balcony, water leaks, etc.), I've done my job well I know it because the social landlord will renovate the building next January. But I had also to find another job. All that stress led to arterial hypertension, dizziness, and.... capsulitis to the another shoulder.

When I came back to my surgeon, he told me I was the archetype of the burn-out.

 

[NextLevel]

You've been in the training hall with the CNT and seen this? Name your sources!

The guy is simply a reincarnation of a banned older account that said some of the same ridiculous things. Unfortunately, moderation is not very proactive, this kind of stuff should have been taken care of a long time ago.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

The guy is simply a reincarnation of a banned older account that said some of the same ridiculous things. Unfortunately, moderation is not very proactive, this kind of stuff should have been taken care of a long time ago.

Ah..that explains a lot.

 

[Grumms]

Winning a grand slam is a big deal in tennis, especially after multiple failures at the French. And Wang said the same in table tennis?

It's as big a deal as becoming n°1.

Please stop splitting hairs. It reminds me of Thiem aftermath, period, you have no ground to tell me how I feel about someone.

 

[PoppaChubby]

You've been in the training hall with the CNT and seen this? Name your sources!

I just watch the live streams like evryone does here, specially during the time outs and the water breaks, in any culture, be it western or eastern culture, when someone screams at your face like this, it's disrespectfull.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I don't follow that tactics point of view, simply because I remember how Gauzy was the shadow of himself after Tokyo 2021, loosing early in WTTC Houston right after that. It really looks like a burn-out, something the chinese mentality does not accept nor want to understand. The only thing they do is screaming and yelling to their athletes as if they were dogs ignoring their commands.

Losing early? He lost in the Round of 32 to Wang Yang who was in good form that tournament. Gauzy's lack of power and a finishing forehand will always make him shaky against choppers. Was he also burnt out when he lost to Satoshi Aida in 2022 or Wang Yang in the 2020 Europe Top 16?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

You've been in the training hall with the CNT and seen this? Name your sources!

screaming and shouting at players is a known chinese table tennis coach behavior, i thought most of the west would have known this by now

beating players is still common in many parts.

i can't give names, but there was a youth series where i think umpire or some wtt staff saw a coach hitting or smacking a player and was reported to the match referee, event manager.
The coach was banned by wtt
the players mother sent a letter to confirm that she allowed the coach to punish the player by means of smacking/hitting.
coach was unbanned by wtt.
he was recorded by wtt camera during timeout call using abusive and degrading language and became some talking point.

I don't agree with these kind of old school technique, but it is still very much alive, but i would believe, minority case

Today I was at a tournament and one coach i don't know started screaming at a player too. doesn't happen too much nowadays, but yeah, not surprised if it happens again soon

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I just watch the live streams like evryone does here, specially during the time outs and the water breaks, in any culture, be it western or eastern culture, when someone screams at your face like this, it's disrespectfull.

You are showing your ignorance of Chinese table tennis culture if you think what is shown in that video is disrespectful or even a depiction of a coach being "furious". That is a completely standard conversation that a coach has with a player at a national or provincial level, not a single Chinese-trained player I know would bat an eye at that video.

And the Chinese team has actually relaxed in its approach quite a lot in the last five years behind the scenes, it's far less militant now than it was before.

In summary, you are speaking on stuff you don't have a clue about.

 

[Bollwerk]

Szocs narrowly misses out on WTT Finals with the R16 exit, unfortunate but a deserved win for CXT today

 

[ThePongCommenter]

screaming and shouting at players is a known chinese table tennis coach behavior, i thought most of the west would have known this by now

Obviously. Saying it is the "only thing they do" reeks of ignorance.

 

[dingyibvs]

I just watch the live streams like evryone does here, specially during the time outs and the water breaks, in any culture, be it western or eastern culture, when someone screams at your face like this, it's disrespectfull.

How's that screaming? You're way too soft if you can't even handle coaching like that. With that said, I think coaching needs to be individualized. Some people respond better to words of encouragement, a softer coaching style, while some respond better to a more fiery, tough-love style. It's up to the players and coaches to figure out which style each person responds better toward.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Obviously. Saying it is the "only thing they do" reeks of ignorance.

i still remember some kid got slap by the coach
the mom saw it (arrived near the end of the training and was sitting outside)
end of training, the mom ask the kid, why did the coach slap you (why did you get punished etc)
and then the mom also slap the kid

 

[rpb23]

WCQ lost not only just because of bad mentality, but because his strength and weakness has been exposed:

+ WCQ Strength: very strong serve/service game. He will try to suffocate you in first 3,4 points. His game is based around strong 3rd ball and strong BH flick receive. But if you could return his serve well (especially his hidden hook serve), it becomes a lot easier because his rallying game is not extremely dangerous like ML or FZD (in the words of Yukiya Uda who faced him in WTTC). Opponents now have studied his serve better and also limit his dangerous BH flick more with serve to FH (Truls in Olympics) - which means his game is a lot less effective now.

+ WCQ weakness: bad FH defense and FH counter against heavy topspin. Ma Long in World Cup Macao 2024 exposed his bad FH defense, and Truls, others run off with it - you see Anders Lind, 14 year old Iranian player Faraji, everyone targeting his weak FH defense. And especially, he's very bad with heavy topspin to his FH - he lost to Faraji, Anders Lind that way, and today again (!!!) can't seem to fix it. Truly not understandable, because top players are EXPECTED to know how to counter that. Kallberg today just spams heavy topspin to WCQ FH - then comes WCQ mistake / weak ball back. Same blueprint Anders Lind/Faraji used, yet no adjustment/improvement from WCQ. Just crazy to see.

Mentality plays a part, but if you lose 11-5, 11-6 then it's all tactics/techniques. His game was based on something easily decoded (serve/receive), and you could see it here. Coupled that with a deadly weakness (FH defense), it's just a no brainer why he's been losing so much.

Good analysis. If you lost 3 games straight with good margin, mental weakness is not the major problem. Wang's game does rely too much on his serve and serve receive which he is excellent. Like boxing match, if you have awesome power and always knock out opponents in the first two rounds, your stamina and tactic adaptation rarely got challenged. Once an opponent can withstand early rounds, he has good chance beat you.

Wang is still just 24, has time to address the loopholes in his game.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

You are showing your ignorance of Chinese table tennis culture if you think what is shown in that video is disrespectful or even a depiction of a coach being "furious". That is a completely standard conversation that a coach has with a player at a national or provincial level, not a single Chinese-trained player I know would bat an eye at that video.

And the Chinese team has actually relaxed in its approach quite a lot in the last five years behind the scenes, it's far less militant now than it was before.

In summary, you are speaking on stuff you don't have a clue about.

what is your sources of your close knowledge to the Chinese team?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Good analysis. If you lost 3 games straight with good margin, mental weakness is not the major problem. Wang's game does rely too much on his serve and serve receive which he is excellent. Like boxing match, if you have awesome power and always knock out opponents in the first two rounds, your stamina and tactic adaptation rarely got challenged. Once an opponent can withstand early rounds, he has good chance beat you.

Wang is still just 24, has time to address the loopholes in his game.

LGY first started having his problem around 12 or 13 years old
it didn't go away, he is now 29

if the problem is in the mind, LGY is not a successful case study and he was a known issue back then and the provincial team and then national team all were working on addressing this loophole.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

what is your sources of your close knowledge to the Chinese team?

If you are genuinely asking I am happy to discuss via PM.

 

[NetProphet]

Szocs narrowly misses out on WTT Finals with the R16 exit, unfortunate but a deserved win for CXT today

Narrowly? She was hammered!!!

Edit: now having read your comment PROPERLY, yes, narrowly missing the 16 for WTT Finals. Pity indeed as she started well!