Yao Jinxiang: Invader? More Japanese youths think Japan is a "victim"

[lodro]

Nope, I can't tell a difference. Americans who committed war crimes in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, etc are terrible people and I condemn them with my full throat. America is a fascist society in many ways and we are the global leader in war crimes. A lot of our war criminals were brainwashed, and that's awful. I see no reason at all to celebrate or memorialize them.

Good on ye.
🙏

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

green and zeio
And what are you trying to prove on ttd?
Start a youtube channel and educate to your audience if you want

Until prc comes clean with its own evil and war hungry attitude that is happening even today, you guys are just hypocrites.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Imagine Germans going to a memorial for German soldiers who invaded the USSR or who died in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising or something stupid like that. This isn't a hard thing to condemn and there isn't really a grey area. Sure, they were brainwashed and that's a tragedy. Lots of German nazis were also brainwashed. This is not a good reason to commemorate them. They did real material harm to lots of people, in service of a fascist government.

Kamikaze pilots do bear some degree of responsibility for going along with the war crimes, even if they were brainwashed. And so do all the nazis who were "just following orders".

You need to see what purpose the musuem serves. To educate peace or not.
Maybe it is difficult for communist followers to apprehend, but you cant replace history by hiding it and not talking about it.
People need to learn about it and kids needs to learn today they have a better purpose of life and living, than to get into an airplane and fly into buildings or objects. There is no divine or glory in such actions.

Based on your own logic, all war related things should be banned, especially ccp’s own military wing. But ccp prefers to ban the news of its evil and hide the truth… why?

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Until prc comes clean with its own evil and war hungry attitude that is happening even today, you guys are just hypocrites

I think it's odd that you can't make a counterargument without bringing China's atrocities into the conversation. I will condemn those atrocities as well. Condemning Japan's war crimes doesn't mean that I endorse China's. Why do you keep bringing up China? When Fan Zhendong starts endorsing China's war crimes, please let me know and I'll call him an idiot as well.

You need to see what purpose the museum serves. To educate peace or not.

The stated purpose of the museum is to honor the Kamikaze pilots and their "patriotic efforts for peace". It's absurd historical revisionism to say the least, and I would go much further to say that it's actually fascist propaganda. This idea that "war is peace" is utterly insane and can only be seen in the most far-gone fascist societies.

 

[lodro]

I think I just have another listen to John Lennon's " Imagine"

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think it's odd that you can't make a counterargument without bringing China's atrocities into the conversation. I will condemn those atrocities as well. Condemning Japan's war crimes doesn't mean that I endorse China's. Why do you keep bringing up China? When Fan Zhendong starts endorsing China's war crimes, please let me know and I'll call him an idiot as well.

The museum serves to bring message of peace. Hayata own words was “life”, which those kids her age didn’t get.

Education on history is powerful.
You could see the value of life and live to become a good and great person.
Or you can become one of those revenge seekers (so much war aggression in prc shows this is maybe the case)

The stated purpose of the museum is to honor the Kamikaze pilots and their "patriotic efforts for peace". It's absurd historical revisionism to say the least, and I would go much further to say that it's actually fascist propaganda.

You keep saying honor, however:

The museum aims to educate visitors about this chapter of history while promoting a message of peace. Its stated purpose is "to commemorate the pilots and expose the tragic loss of their lives so that we may understand the need for everlasting peace and ensure such incidents are never repeated."

For many Japanese visitors, especially students, the museum serves as a powerful educational tool, prompting reflection on the nature of war and sacrifice.

The above is obviously not agreed by you. So you are welcome to go publish your views else where and stop expecting the majority of members here to agree with you or zeio. Maybe in front of the Japanese embassy.

I am disgusted that Japan didn’t apologies to all victims, but trying to bash Hayata and making it political is too low imo.

As other said, there are so many more hateful crimes by the prc/ccp army happening right now that requires this kind of anger, sadly it doesn’t seem like chinese people have the power to voice such anger on that but only of those that pleas their masters, just like they have no freedom to wear a winnie the pooh shirt.

I am also disgusted that sports people need to fear displeasing overall sensitive chinese people who loves to use internet to bully, if only those numbers can fight for the injustice of many tribes and ethnic groups conquered by china, that would probably bring forward peace.

 

[moment2019]

Ladies and gentlemen, let's return to the topic of table tennis.Geopolitical and cultural isolation are leading us into unnecessary disputes.From the perspective of Hayata, we will feel that we just want to visit the heroes of our predecessors, and these heroes in a sense are not responsible for war crimes.If we look at China from the perspective of my country, my country, it has nothing to do with the so-called state control and brainwashing. We have the freedom to express our disgust with it, because we can fully imagine how China would react to it, and then we would not feel compelled to say so in the media.Personally, I feel sad because the gap between the two countries is still so deep, and the hatred of a hundred years ago still affects people today.So I want to say, guys, why don't we pick up the racket and stand on the court again to end it all with beautiful topspin?Our forum is to unite everyone with the spirit of sport, not to divide everyone because of some political news.

 

[moment2019]

The museum serves to bring message of peace. Hayata own words was “life”, which those kids her age didn’t get.

Education on history is powerful.
You could see the value of life and live to become a good and great person.
Or you can become one of those revenge seekers (so much war aggression in prc shows this is maybe the case)

You keep saying honor, however:

The museum aims to educate visitors about this chapter of history while promoting a message of peace. Its stated purpose is "to commemorate the pilots and expose the tragic loss of their lives so that we may understand the need for everlasting peace and ensure such incidents are never repeated."

For many Japanese visitors, especially students, the museum serves as a powerful educational tool, prompting reflection on the nature of war and sacrifice.

The above is obviously not agreed by you. So you are welcome to go publish your views else where and stop expecting the majority of members here to agree with you or zeio. Maybe in front of the Japanese embassy.

I am disgusted that Japan didn’t apologies to all victims, but trying to bash Hayata and making it political is too low imo.

As other said, there are so many more hateful crimes by the prc/ccp army happening right now that requires this kind of anger, sadly it doesn’t seem like chinese people have the power to voice such anger on that but only of those that pleas their masters, just like they have no freedom to wear a winnie the pooh shirt.

I am also disgusted that sports people need to fear displeasing overall sensitive chinese people who loves to use internet to bully, if only those numbers can fight for the injustice of many tribes and ethnic groups conquered by china, that would probably bring forward peace.

And....WHAT FUCKING THINGS have china do to south Africa？I REALLY WANNA YOU TO EXPLAIN IT.
Because i have never heard a word about the "hateful crimes".I mean no harm.I just wonder why you hate
china.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Ladies and gentlemen, let's return to the topic of table tennis.Geopolitical and cultural isolation are leading us into unnecessary disputes.From the perspective of Hayata, we will feel that we just want to visit the heroes of our predecessors, and these heroes in a sense are not responsible for war crimes.If we look at China from the perspective of my country, my country, it has nothing to do with the so-called state control and brainwashing.

I think it is fair to ask this:
Does Japanese citizens of today hate China?
Does Taiwanese citizens of today hate prc China?
I don't see much hate, since people with such sensitivity are long gone and the education system or gov propaganda does not teach or encourage war.
It does feel like China teaches war and people grow up knowing war is around the corner and that the war on Taiwan is inevitable, am I not right? or why has China been the past decade increase its invasion of 13 countries territories? are they seeking war with 13 countries (and this does not even include Taiwan)?

How about Hong Kong? Tibet and other regions like Uyghurs, that had Chinese offenses in recent years?
These people probably have a lot of hate now towards the Chinese. What China has touched, the first thing they are doing is cleansing the culture and ethnic diversity and I think this is what a lot of people in the world don't agree with. But they won't go and target Chinese sports people with what the politicians do.

We have the freedom to express our disgust with it, because we can fully imagine how China would react to it, and then we would not feel compelled to say so in the media.Personally, I feel sad because the gap between the two countries is still so deep, and the hatred of a hundred years ago still affects people today.

There is no doubt you don't get full freedom of expression in China, else why is Winnie the Pooh banned?
go and wear a winnie shirt and post on weibo and see what happens.
In Taiwan, people can fire an elected official by voting them out of office during the term. Freedom of expression is very different in China than that of Taiwan and many other countries.

So I want to say, guys, why don't we pick up the racket and stand on the court again to end it all with beautiful topspin?Our forum is to unite everyone with the spirit of sport, not to divide everyone because of some political news.

I do not wish upon war, there will be no winners
War on Taiwan will lead to China to collapse and the world market to collapse
If only aggression is reduced to what you say - play sport, it will be so much better.
Citizens need to be open to free news and I'm not sure if that is even possible in China in the next foreseeable future. If it is all state controlled, it is no different to that of North Korea.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

And....WHAT FUCKING THINGS have china do to south Africa？I REALLY WANNA YOU TO EXPLAIN IT.

you see, this is typical chinese taught mentality and manners
you just want to fight and bomb south africa too right? haha

Because i have never heard a word about the "hateful crimes".I mean no harm.I just wonder why you hate

china.

you seriously have no clue of HK, Tibet and Uyghurs??

anyways, this thread will be closed soon.
zeio will probably just start another one, because he has a hate of hayata for almost a decade now. that is sickening

 

[moment2019]

你看，这是典型的中国式教学思想和礼仪
你也只是想打架和轰炸南非，对吧？哈哈

你真的对香港、西藏和维吾尔人一无所知吗？？

我只是感到震惊的是，你说了这么多反对中国的话，我认为中国政府在南非做了一些事情，导致你如此激进。其实我有一些新疆和香港的朋友，关于香港，我觉得这有点像颜色革命。我不认为香港有什么问题，新疆和西藏的历史非常晦涩难懂，我认为只有当地人知道发生了什么。我所知道的是，我的祖先曾经在新疆荒野中耕种土地，面对狼群和沙尘暴，没有任何帮助。新疆的朋友们也和我们融合得很好，我不觉得有任何种族灭绝。关于审查制度，我同意这种观点。但我持冷漠的态度，因为它不会伤害任何人。但至于东南亚，我认为我的政府也做错了什么，比如菲律宾。这似乎是苏联在与北约联盟打交道时对其邻国所做的事情，但我认为手段要温和得多。至于台湾，这是过去遗留下来的历史问题，我不想过多讨论，太敏感了。也许你可以查阅各种报纸和期刊。我通常会查看 BBC 以获取有争议的事件。虽然他的言论是激进的，但还是相对客观的。
I am just shocked that you have said so much against China, that I think the Chinese government has done something in South Africa that has caused you to be so radical.Actually, I have some friends from Xinjiang and Hong Kong.Regarding Hong Kong, I think it is something similar to a color revolution.I don't think there is anything wrong with Hong Kong.The history of Xinjiang and Tibet is very obscure, and I think only the local people know what happened.All I know is that my ancestors once cultivated land in the Xinjiang wilderness, facing wolves and sandstorms, without any assistance.Friends from Xinjiang have also integrated well with us, and I don't feel there is any genocide.And about censorship, I agree with this view.But I hold a nonchalant attitude because it doesn't hurt anyone.But as for Southeast Asia, I think my government is also doing something wrong, such as the Philippines. It seems like what the Soviet Union did to its neighboring countries when dealing with the NATO alliance, but I think the means are much more moderate.As for Taiwan, this is a historical issue left over from the pastI don't want to discuss too much, it's too sensitive.Perhaps you can consult various newspapers and periodicals. I usually look up BBC for controversial events. Although his statements are radical, they are relatively objective.
By the way ,i know the things happend on fourth,June.So i am not a crazy Nationalist.Thats
all.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

我只是感到震惊的是，你说了这么多反对中国的话，我认为中国政府在南非做了一些事情，导致你如此激进。其实我有一些新疆和香港的朋友，关于香港，我觉得这有点像颜色革命。我不认为香港有什么问题，新疆和西藏的历史非常晦涩难懂，我认为只有当地人知道发生了什么。我所知道的是，我的祖先曾经在新疆荒野中耕种土地，面对狼群和沙尘暴，没有任何帮助。新疆的朋友们也和我们融合得很好，我不觉得有任何种族灭绝。关于审查制度，我同意这种观点。但我持冷漠的态度，因为它不会伤害任何人。但至于东南亚，我认为我的政府也做错了什么，比如菲律宾。这似乎是苏联在与北约联盟打交道时对其邻国所做的事情，但我认为手段要温和得多。至于台湾，这是过去遗留下来的历史问题，我不想过多讨论，太敏感了。也许你可以查阅各种报纸和期刊。我通常会查看 BBC 以获取有争议的事件。虽然他的言论是激进的，但还是相对客观的。
I am just shocked that you have said so much against China, that I think the Chinese government has done something in South Africa that has caused you to be so radical.

I am also victims, or decedent of victims of Japanese war aggression, I have all the rights in the world to talk about this matter, just as prc chinese people do.

and since zeio bought this to a public tt forum, any members on here can talk as they wish to do too, and if you just swear and be aggressive towards those that talk about it, it shows what? the exact chinese cyber bulling that i don't like and keep talking about it.

The flag on TTD means what? I have no right to talk about it?

All I know is that my ancestors once cultivated land in the Xinjiang wilderness, facing wolves and sandstorms, without any assistance.

that is what prc is using, different maps from different time.
if the same ideology is used, then the Italians can claim territory of former roman empire.
wars has change the border on maps, and china is using war threats to continue concurring lands and increasing it borders to what it says is there, based on historical map books.

Friends from Xinjiang have also integrated well with us, and I don't feel there is any genocide.

Then allow UN and free press to go inside and speak the truth to us.
I'm not trying to fight this, but it is being declined. There are a lot of media out there that you can see, maybe it is foreign state sponsored or not, i'm not sure. Censorship is in play here and if there is nothing wrong, why fear?

And about censorship, I agree with this view.But I hold a nonchalant attitude because it doesn't hurt anyone.

you might think it isn't hurting anyone. You have access to international news, so maybe you can have both views.
not sure if every person in China can afford both views?
But if I was taught to invade a country since small, I think my mindset would be corrupted.

But as for Southeast Asia, I think my government is also doing something wrong, such as the Philippines. It seems like what the Soviet Union did to its neighboring countries when dealing with the NATO alliance, but I think the means are much more moderate.As for Taiwan, this is a historical issue left over from the pastI don't want to discuss too much, it's too sensitive.Perhaps you can consult various newspapers and periodicals. I usually look up BBC for controversial events. Although his statements are radical, they are relatively objective.

China on Taiwan, sends warplanes on a daily basis. When China is pissed, they send close to or over 100 war planes and dozens of war ships into Taiwanese space per day.
I have not heard once of Taiwan's military going into China's space (maybe Chinese state news talk about it? i'm not sure)

Here we talking about war crimes of 80 years ago and war is bad.
Does China want to start world war 3 by its daily military aggression? I think no, they just want to be a big bully and doesn't want a real fight. It isn't financial viable.
all you need is one accident, and then things will escalate. We need things to deescalate.
so why isn't chinese people more concern on the huge financial risk and other bad things could happen when an accident and escalation on Taiwan can cause all Chinese people? this beats me

as I said so many times to zeio raising of hate on ttd, we need peace, not war!

 

[zeio]

This was not the first time Hayata touched on the topic of war. Well, she gets the answer to her question from 7 years ago now. As long as she keeps doing that in the future, she will only make life difficult for herself and everyone.

She made a guest appearance in one episode of TV program 教えてもらう前と後 (Before and After Being Taught) by TBS that aired on 2017/12/12, in which she asked the host 池上彰/IKEGAMI Akira, a renowned Japanese journalist and author, why the war would not end.

「なぜ戦争は終わらないのでしょうか？」10代の直球質問に池上彰は… ("Why doesn't the war end?" IKEGAMI Akira answers a straightforward question from a teenager...)
https://www.huffingtonpost.jp/entry/akira-ikegami-war_jp_5c5d55e4e4b0974f75b19053

　10月にスタートしたMBS・TBS系『教えてもらう前と後』（毎週火曜　後8：00※19日は休止）。「教えてもらった前と後で、見る目が変わります！」を合言葉に、MCの滝川クリステルと「知のビフォーアフター」を体感する番組。12日の放送では、ジャーナリストの池上彰氏が出演し、無双ぶりを発揮していたのだが、10代の若者からの素朴な疑問に答えるコーナーのある質問に対してだけ、「本当に究極の問題で、簡単に答えることができない」と、表情を曇らせていた。

　その質問者は、卓球の早田ひな選手（17）。11月19日、伊藤美誠選手と17歳同士でコンビを組んだ早田選手は、世界ランキング1位と2位の最強中国ペアと激突。下馬評を覆して優勝し、世界に衝撃を与えた。多い時で練習は1日12時間。さらに、世界中を遠征する日々を送る早田選手からの質問は、「なぜ戦争は終わらないのでしょうか」。

　戦争や紛争地域出身の選手は、道具がそろわずハンデを背負っていることが多い、そんな状況を間近で見て、「戦争はなぜ終わらないのか」と感じたという早田選手の質問に「本当に究極の問題で、簡単に答えることができない」と前置きした上で、次のように続けた。

　「昔、貧しい時代を生きていくために、食料が必要だから領地を確保するために戦争をしてきました。つまり戦争が頻繁に起きてきた地域は、土地が豊かだという証拠。現代においては、宗教の違いで戦争が起きていると言いますけれど、結局は土地争いなんです。さまざまな資源や食料を独り占めしたいという思いがあると、こうやって紛争は長く続くんです。逆に言えば、そういう事がないように努力することで戦争は起きないんです。資源やエネルギーを一緒に管理しましょうと仲良くしているヨーロッパでは、いま戦争が起きていませんから」。

MBS/TBS's "Before and After Being Taught" (every Tuesday, 8:00 p.m. *No show on the 19th) started in October. With the catchphrase "Your perspective will change before and after being taught!", the show allows viewers to experience the "before and after of knowledge" with MC TAKIGAWA Christel. In the broadcast on the 12th, journalist IKEGAMI Akira appeared and showed off his unrivaled skills, but when asked a question in a corner where he answered simple questions from teenagers, he looked gloomy and said, "This is really the ultimate question, and I can't answer it easily."

The questioner was table tennis player HAYATA Hina (17). On November 19th, Hayata, who teamed up with fellow 17-year-old ITO Mima, faced off against the strongest Chinese pair, ranked 1st and 2nd in the world. They overturned the odds and won, shocking the world. At times, they practice 12 hours a day. Furthermore, Hayata, who travels around the world every day, asked, "Why doesn't the war end?"

Athletes from war or conflict zones often lack the proper equipment and are at a disadvantage. Seeing this up close, Hayata asked, "Why does war never end?" To which he replied, "It's truly the ultimate question, and not one that can be answered easily," and continued: "In the past, people needed food to survive in poor times, so they fought wars to secure territory. In other words, areas where wars have occurred frequently are proof that the land is abundant. In modern times, people say that wars are caused by religious differences, but in the end, it's all a fight over land. When there is a desire to monopolize various resources and food, conflicts like this continue for long. Conversely, wars will not break out if we make efforts to prevent such things from happening. In Europe, where people are friendly and agree to manage resources and energy together, there are no wars right now."

 

[zeio]

you see, this is typical chinese taught mentality and manners
you just want to fight and bomb south africa too right? haha

you seriously have no clue of HK, Tibet and Uyghurs??

anyways, this thread will be closed soon.
zeio will probably just start another one, because he has a hate of hayata for almost a decade now. that is sickening

This is laughable. I feel just as free and in some aspects freer in HK than when I do in the US, especially in recent years.

Life in Tibet and Uyghurs were actually getting better and better until the US started meddling.

A restaurant owner who moved from Hong Kong to Tibet 10 years ago on the privileges exclusive to Tibetans, whom are stinking rich because of that
無窮之路 III - 無垠之疆｜香港阿伯移居西藏開茶餐廳！佢係點樣離鄉別井呢？｜陳貝兒｜西藏｜扶貧之路｜綜藝｜TVBUSA
https://youtu.be/ie7k8J0g4wM?t=288

A factory owned by a 朝鮮族/Chaoxianzu or Korean Chinese (one of the 56 ethnic groups in China) got hit so hard by US sanctions Uyghurs are now unemployed
無窮之路 III - 無垠之疆｜下一站嚟到南疆另一座歷史名城莎車，了解到「新疆棉」事件後嘅影響····｜陳貝兒｜新疆｜扶貧之路｜綜藝｜TVBUSA
https://youtu.be/nMKwsFLd29Y?t=30

 

[lodro]

After reading all this sheit i think i give up playing ping pong and learn how to play the "Alphorn" first song i shall blow will be IMAGINE by John Lennon

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

This is laughable. I feel just as free and in some aspects freer in HK than when I do in the US, especially in recent years.

Life in Tibet and Uyghurs were actually getting better and better until the US started meddling.

A restaurant owner who moved from Hong Kong to Tibet 10 years ago on the privileges exclusive to Tibetans, whom are stinking rich because of that
無窮之路 III - 無垠之疆｜香港阿伯移居西藏開茶餐廳！佢係點樣離鄉別井呢？｜陳貝兒｜西藏｜扶貧之路｜綜藝｜TVBUSA
https://youtu.be/ie7k8J0g4wM?t=288

A factory owned by a 朝鮮族/Chaoxianzu or Korean Chinese (one of the 56 ethnic groups in China) got hit so hard by US sanctions Uyghurs are now unemployed
無窮之路 III - 無垠之疆｜下一站嚟到南疆另一座歷史名城莎車，了解到「新疆棉」事件後嘅影響····｜陳貝兒｜新疆｜扶貧之路｜綜藝｜TVBUSA
https://youtu.be/nMKwsFLd29Y?t=30

are you allowed to wear a winnie the pooh shirt in HK, China, Tibet

yes, no?

 

[Dominikk85]

Right wing conspiracy theories are on the rise in countries all over the World.

 

[zeio]

are you allowed to wear a winnie the pooh shirt in HK, China, Tibet

yes, no?

Am I allowed to criticize Israel in the US?

yes, no?

 

[pingpongpaddy]

Museums and monuments in general are important sign posts into our past. They remind us of terrible events, and in that way help to warn us not to repeat mistakes. We have monuments to fallen soldiers in cities all over the world.. Some of you seem to seem to object to "Commemoration" as though it implies approval of bad acts by some of the fallen. To me museums and monument are important evidence that terrible wars occurred.. Its essential that people should visit them, because otherwise we are ignorant of what was done wrong in our past actions
So Hayata, as I said before was right to inform herself of those event, and I find it encouraging when young people make statements against the loss of life in war

 

[pingpongpaddy]

I sometimes wonder how Zeio can afford the time to spend writing all his propaganda . Is he supported financially by his political masters?
.