Yao Jinxiang: Invader? More Japanese youths think Japan is a "victim"

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this whole mess is one of the dumbest and most confusing stories I ever heard. Goes like this:

Girl goes to museum to improve her moral compass
=> people misinterpret either because stupid or they have some political agenda
=> bullshit ensues

In this world of misinformation / disinformation campaigns we are easily distracted and irritated by all the information spam and thus everything utterly lacks relevance.
 
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this whole mess is one of the dumbest and most confusing stories I ever heard. Goes like this:

Girl goes to museum to improve her moral compass
=> people misinterpret either because stupid or they have some political agenda
=> bullshit ensues

In this world of misinformation / disinformation campaigns we are easily distracted and irritated by all the information spam and thus everything utterly lacks relevance.
the girl haven't even went yet....
 
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You can't actually criticize Israel in the USA. You'll lose your job. Police will beat you up. Even if you're Jewish.
I'm not sure where you get your information from.
I have seen a lot of videos shared by my Muslim friends all over social media. One that caught my attention was Jewish people complaining about what is happening in Israel during some meeting with politicians.
It is difficult or time consuming for me to go search them now but i'm sure the below is enough to justify that USA does allow freedom of expression, especially when criticizing people/countries.

To make it easier, check this out. why didn't the USA gov make this website disappear?

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Then from this website, you can see links to a lot of groups that seem to be still alive and well today:

you can't compare USA to China when it comes to censorship.

let me ask you, are you allowed to wear winnie the pooh shirts in China and share the photo on the internet to state your political view?

there is a lot of political view against that of the USA that is shared in the USA and the USA gov did not go and censor them and get them removed from the million internet police they hire.

I believe in peace and that includes any one that wants to use military, includes the likes USA, Japan, China, Israel etc
 
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It's super funny that ppl are criticizing China for some imaginary genocide when the actual genocides where millions of innocent ppl got killed in recent history (Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... which all involve murdering millions of brown ppl) are almost all coming from the US (the exception is Ukraine - that is solely on Russia).

And especially countries who sent military aid in these wars (majority of the western world unfortunately), their hands are not clean either.

Sure China has some re-education centres in Xinjiang where excesses prob are happening but surely that is better than actually murdering millions of ppl which they can easily do. Also saying that millions of ppl getting killed in Xinjiang is ridiculous without any evidence. It is an extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence. The population of Uyghyurs is only 11.8 million - if a few million were killed (ie a significant proportion of the entire population) the amount of disruption and economic damage would be huge which would be very highly visible and not just second hand info - see for eg Rwanda.

Even the so called Tiananmen incident - if ppl would actually read the well sourced wikipedia article (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre) and not complete lies fabricated by most mass media, they would have a better read of history.

Most of the deaths occurred along ChangAn street where protestors were violently hurling soldiers with rocks, molotov cocktails and had systematic procedures to burn military vehicles. If you tried that against police (not even soldiers) you will absolutely get shot to death.

Plenty of eyewitness accounts and live video showing that close to no deaths occurred in Tiananmen Square itself, which also makes sense because most of the protest leaders like Chai Ling, Feng Congde, etc who were at the square all eventually escaped and are still alive now (if there was a massacre and the place was so easily surrounded, none of these protest leaders would have made it out alive).

The 'tank man' video was insidiously cropped at the end by the likes of CNN and BBC (you can see the full video here where he is safely escorted away by bystanders
). Also if the tanks were serious about killing ppl, they would have no hesitations just running him over. Instead, an entire column of tanks stopped for 1 guy.

But no, ppl refuse to read Wikipedia and instead put their trust in mass media and other conspiracy theories.
 
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The only thing which is true is the censorship in China, i think it is a stupid policy made by some dumb boomers who prob got scared by the brainwashing capabilities of western news and media which are admittedly extremely powerful.

But on the other hand, they financially sponsor movies with white men as the lead (shit like the Great Wall) instead of promoting Chinese men and women (for eg like what Korea has very successfully done). Negative IQ strategy indeed which leads to the current situation. Thank God for Korean media - otherwise there would be close to 0 positive representation for Asians.
 
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My grandfather-in-law was actually registered as a Kamikaze pilot. The war ended before he ever was sent on a mission. He ended up with a lot of kids and grandkids.

If you see him today, he just looks like a sweet and kind old man. And he is.

But honest decent people can also commit horrible atrocities. There's no question in my mind that as a young brash kid, he willingly volunteered to kill enemies as he was devoted to his country.

Again I'm not judging people. It's a fact of human history that humans hurt other humans. I think it's pretty ignorant to idolize or honor Kamikaze pilots whose goal was to kill other people. On the other hand, most people are not reflecting on human crimes history all the time, and I guess it's pretty normal that they make mental lapses or have lack of empathy on certain subjects.
 
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I'm not judging people. It's a fact of human history that humans hurt other humans. I think it's pretty ignorant to idolize or honor Kamikaze pilots whose goal was to kill other people. On the other hand, most people are not reflecting on human crimes history all the time, and I guess it's pretty normal that they make mental lapses or have lack of empathy on certain subjects.
I think this is a good perspective. It's fine to not be focused on war crimes or geopolitics all the time, and everyone has blind spots, mental lapses, etc.

But when something is pointed out to you and people are saying you're being insensitive, you should make an effort to learn about the subject, and apologize if need be.
 
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I think this is a good perspective. It's fine to not be focused on war crimes or geopolitics all the time, and everyone has blind spots, mental lapses, etc.

But when something is pointed out to you and people are saying you're being insensitive, you should make an effort to learn about the subject, and apologize if need be.
Yes, I think so too.
 
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Two wrongs just make a bigger wrong.
Or do you believe in relative morality?
'Oh they did something wrong so now I can too because they did it first.'
But the answer is yes, you can criticise, while free speech still exists. Unfortunately there are the likes of you who are trying to remove this right.
There are anti Israel protests happening in America the past 6 months. Open your eyes?
It's not about rights and wrongs here. It's hypocrisy. As a Taiwanese journalist has pointed out recently, some of the locals can't even make a fair and unbiased description of mainland China's development anymore without the fear of being shut down and labeled 舔共/licking the commies or 中共同路人/CCP apologists, even within their own cliques. So Tony is being hypocritical as he's repeatedly shown in the past when some members countered him over issues in South Africa.
 
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But honest decent people can also commit horrible atrocities. There's no question in my mind that as a young brash kid, he willingly volunteered to kill enemies as he was devoted to his country.

Again I'm not judging people. It's a fact of human history that humans hurt other humans. I think it's pretty ignorant to idolize or honor Kamikaze pilots whose goal was to kill other people. On the other hand, most people are not reflecting on human crimes history all the time, and I guess it's pretty normal that they make mental lapses or have lack of empathy on certain subjects.
human hurt human and kill humans, that is the sad thing of wars and human history for many thousands of years.
its not just japanese or germans, or kamikaze pilots, the allied forces also hurt and killed many.

like your grand father, there are many also many german members here who have family that was in the nazi army and any other WW2 or WW1 army.
During that time, you are enlisted in the military. Maybe some took it as pride, maybe some was against it, we don't know, but that was all gov propaganda and everyone thought they were doing good or simply they don't really have a choice.

I think it is impossible that anyone has ancestors that didn't kill someone in the past 200 or 300 years, especially the world has so many wars in this time frame. We are all descendants of murderers, or relatives/distance relatives of them in a way.

I visited Nelson Mandela's prison cell, at Robin Island Museum. It is a place where human rights abuse happened on a daily basis. Does that mean I support the evil apartheid gov? No, it is to learn of the bad and hoping humans don't repeat the same mistakes.

That kamikaze museum has a lot of visitors every year (including foreigners). I wonder how many of them walk away thinking war is terrible versus how many of them go and celebrate war as japanese pride and will allow history to repeat itself?

The kamikaze like culture only exists in Japan, many other countries won't leave troops behind (probably a military crime in some places to send your troops on pointless suicides too), but in Japan, you know you are going on a plane with just enough fuel to fly into American ships, or get shot down before it. I wonder what these people think after they died, do they still feel war propaganda is good and will do it again? or they wish to have many children/grand children - then the kids of Japan today, same question to them.

Whether or not japanese gov don't apologies to the world is not up to me or anyone here - I'm disgusted they still don't. But that is them, I won't attack Japanese citizen for being victims of they leadership. If the leadership still teaches war over peace, then that is a different story. Many Japanese I know, view peace as the biggest pride of the modern century.

I believe humans are born good, it is all these war propaganda that turn people in war demons.
Today, it is all about education and learning from history, and people need to know that human hurting other humans are wrong, so if you and I all agree to it, then all hurt needs to stop, or you want it to continue on to your kids, your grand kids etc?

Today the biggest military aggressor in Asia is only 1 country. The nuke problem of India-Pakistan, and even of that of North Korea seems minute compared to the aggressor. I hope war don't break out.
 
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So Tony is being hypocritical as he's repeatedly shown in the past when some members countered him over issues in South Africa.
and you left out my rely to him:

South Africa is a sad place
350 years of colonial rule.
80+ years of apartheid
Generations and generation of locals that has zero to little education.
The education they have is to teach them to be secondary citizens.
now the leaders they choose in are not fixing education. Without education, it is impossible to improve.


I'm not sure how me being on TTD has anything to do with the history of South Africa.
I'm doing as much as I can do to help those that I have affinity with. I'm not sure if you have bothered to even help contribute to the cause? What good needs have you done for humans in suffering?

Since this topic is about war, does CCP education encourage war or peace?

South Africa (who ended mandatory military service in 1994) or Taiwan doesn't encourage war, and don't invade neighbors in the past 10 to 20 years, in fact, South Africa allowed one of its lands to go independence - Namibia in 1990. Based on CCP education, I guess South Africa must recover/re-liberate Namibia and people needs to engage with war, as its looks bad that there is historical territorial lost?
 
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Sims said:
do you believe in relative morality?

Just picked up on this a bit late, was away play the Alphorn.
I do not believe in relative morality myself but it sure does exist.
If I am in an Army, any army and they send me away to go and murder people then to the people of this army it seems morally correct because it is part of an official government promoted war-action .
Of course should I commit exactly the same without government backing I will end up with some sweet juice up my arm.
 
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Sims said:
do you believe in relative morality?

Just picked up on this a bit late, was away play the Alphorn.
I do not believe in relative morality myself but it sure does exist.
If I am in an Army, any army and they send me away to go and murder people then it is morally correct because it is part of an official government promoted war-action .
Of course should I commit exactly the same without government backing I will end up with some sweet juice up my arm.
Absolute rubbish. You think war and murder is morally correct just because a government instigated it. This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.
It's all immoral. End of
 
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Absolute rubbish. You think war and murder is morally correct just because a government instigated it. This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.
It's all immoral. End of
as english not my first language i might have not expressed myself clearly.
I also do not condone these acts under whatever circumstances, what i was trying to say is that one party can see something as moral while other party or parties will see it as immoral AND vice-versa.
This is the facts that can make it a "relative morality"
I can give you an irish example if you still don't get it.
 
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You're a fool
人必自侮而後人侮之

As Japanese author Eri Hotta points out, moral relativism was exactly the Right's best defense for Japan's war crimes.

The colonial hypocrisy of Japan
The nation still sees itself as the liberator of Asia
https://unherd.com/2023/10/the-colonial-hypocrisy-of-japan/
It is a story that stars Radhaninod Pal, an Indian judge beloved by the Japanese Right. Sitting on the International Military Tribunal for the Far East in 1946, otherwise known as the Tokyo Trial, he became famous for arguing that all the Japanese defendants, including the wartime prime minister Hideki Tojo, should be acquitted. He insisted that Japan’s crimes were hardly unprecedented, that one only had to look at Western imperialism to find equal brutality. He also pointed to America’s nuclear bombings as war crimes, and accused the victorious powers of moral relativism and racial prejudice. Because of such statements, Pal is to this day memorialised in Japan as a brave nationalist who sided with an Asian ally in the face of Western arrogance.

The drawbacks of Japan’s cult of peace
75 years after the atomic bomb, it may be time for the nation to outgrow pacifism
https://unherd.com/2020/08/the-drawbacks-of-japans-cult-of-peace/
But peace, or more precisely, the kind of pacifism that Japan has cultivated over the past three quarters of a century, has its drawbacks. For one, it has hindered a meaningful political debate. By emphasising Japan’s own wartime sufferings and its current desire for peace, the conservative Japanese regime, in power for most of the postwar period, has tended to downplay Japan’s record as an imperialist aggressor, first in East Asia, and later in the Pacific and Southeast Asia. And until recently, the Right’s narrative generally overlooked the fact that the nuclear casualties included Allied POWs, as well as Chinese and Korean forced labourers.
 
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as english not my first language i might have not expressed myself clearly.
I also do not condone these acts under whatever circumstances, what i was trying to say is that one party can see something as moral while other party or parties will see it as immoral AND vice-versa.
This is the facts that can make it a "relative morality"
I can give you an irish example if you still don't get it.
No, you're just absolutely incorrect.
But nevermind
 
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The drawbacks of Japan’s cult of peace
75 years after the atomic bomb, it may be time for the nation to outgrow pacifism
yep, I know the USA is definitely encouraging the Japanese to pull their socks up in that respect, probably to strengthen their own position in the coming war against china😂
 
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