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langel
08-23-2017, 09:33 PM
... And if - for what purpose?

Recently I've noticed, that in order to misguide my oponent, I begin with a standart diagonal topspin move, continue with a brush-drive and end with an angled wrist swinging the ball through the short side of the table. When I'm doing this on my BH to the left side of the table the wrist grip gets stronger and I have no problem, but when I'm doing it on my FH to the right side of the table the grip gets looser and then I get a lot of disturbence of stronger vibrations /usually they help me, but not in this point/ and confuse me about when to release the swing.

So - do you think that Side Balancers, applyed to the lower side of the blade, would help this scenario?

Other experiences and/or comments are wellcome too.

BeGo
08-23-2017, 11:09 PM
... And if - for what purpose?

Recently I've noticed, that in order to misguide my oponent, I begin with a standart diagonal topspin move, continue with a brush-drive and end with an angled wrist swinging the ball through the short side of the table. When I'm doing this on my BH to the left side of the table the wrist grip gets stronger and I have no problem, but when I'm doing it on my FH to the right side of the table the grip gets looser and then I get a lot of disturbence of stronger vibrations /usually they help me, but not in this point/ and confuse me about when to release the swing.

So - do you think that Side Balancers, applyed to the lower side of the blade, would help this scenario?

Other experiences and/or comments are wellcome too.Err, badminton grip tape work wonders [emoji23]

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langel
08-23-2017, 11:34 PM
Yes, exactly, do you think that a 1gr. 5 mm would do?

BeGo
08-24-2017, 12:48 AM
Yes, exactly, do you think that a 1gr. 5 mm would do?Yes, but,

To make sure nothing lost in translation,

I am talking about grip tape as a grip tape, to wrap the grip. It tacky enough to hold the blade to your finger even at the least firm grip, but thin enough to not to mute the feel. [emoji28]

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langel
08-24-2017, 09:26 AM
Ok, but that's another thing.
I'm talking about side balancers.

UpSideDownCarl
08-24-2017, 05:34 PM
Ok, but that's another thing.
I'm talking about side balancers.

So, I may be alone, or it may be the language issue.

Can you show a photo or explain what you mean by "side balancers"?


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langel
08-24-2017, 07:01 PM
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Nittaku-Side-Balancer-weighted-edge-tape/productinfo/MNTSB/

I came to this somehow googling.

Ilia Minkin
08-24-2017, 07:26 PM
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Nittaku-Side-Balancer-weighted-edge-tape/productinfo/MNTSB/

I came to this somehow googling.

Beast Mod soft edition? :)

UpSideDownCarl
08-24-2017, 07:27 PM
Are you thinking of making the blade more head heavy? Or adding the weight to the handle?

Read this thread:

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?9048-Re-Building-the-BEAST


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langel
08-24-2017, 07:57 PM
No, I like the weight and balance of my blade very much.
In the first posting I've described the reason of the question.
I persume than if I put some balancer weight to the lower FH side edge of the blade it could reduce the vibrations I've described. Of course it may change the head-handle balance, but then it could be easily solved.
Well, as I see these Nitaku side balancers are not very used, but I will try the method, it's very easy.

UpSideDownCarl
08-24-2017, 08:10 PM
Okay. It is worth trying. But I am not so sure that would help. And it probably will move the balance of the blade a little more towards the head. But it is very easy to try and see if it works for you for that shot.


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BeGo
08-24-2017, 10:53 PM
I am actually sceptical that it would give better balance though,

Too light. [emoji28]

1 g of lead tape only 1 cm, and I need about 40 g to 60 g of it wrapped to the handle to move the COG of may blade from 3 cm to 1 cm above the handle. [emoji28]

Perimeter weighting is the common way to raise COR in golf though.[emoji6]

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woodblade
08-24-2017, 11:01 PM
Commonly used lead tapes in tennis:
https://www.amazon.com/Unique-Sports-Sampras-Lead-Tape/dp/B001KXB37U

(https://www.amazon.com/Unique-Sports-Sampras-Lead-Tape/dp/B001KXB37U)

langel
08-24-2017, 11:06 PM
Well, Nittaku make them for TT for some reason, but obviously not so popular.
Thank you, people, I'll try, it's easy and not destructive.

UpSideDownCarl
08-25-2017, 01:17 AM
I actually think that Der_Echte's beast modification of opening the handle and filling the hollow space would make your blade not vibrate like that on that shot. And extra weight in the handle is usually a good thing in TT.

UpSideDownCarl
08-25-2017, 01:27 AM
Are you thinking of making the blade more head heavy? Or adding the weight to the handle?

Read this thread:

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?9048-Re-Building-the-BEAST

@langel: I do think you should read this thread:

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?9048-Re-Building-the-BEAST

UpSideDownCarl
08-25-2017, 01:28 AM
Beast Mod soft edition? :)

Only backwards, making the blade head heavy instead of handle heavy and handle solid.

Baal
08-25-2017, 04:54 AM
I have been playing for decades and this is the first I have heard of them.

langel
08-30-2017, 08:21 AM
Well, I tryed with some DIY plastic "side balancer". It really helped me with this shot, but ruined all others. Blah. Nittaku have made it for reason, but I couldn't catch it.
I tryed with a grip tape. Very good grip feel, more solid on blocks and firm on attack, but have lost the feel with softer touch and surface brush, had to recalibrate serves too. So I mooved the grip tape to another head heavy blade which I use to practice blocks and attack only. There it works good.
I came to the conclusion, that my bat is perfect as it is, but I'm not, so its better to improve my technique and grip, rather than the bat.

TTFrenzy
08-30-2017, 10:21 PM
As carl said, vibrations will be significantly reduced if u modify the handle. all the info ur hand gets is through index and thumb and palm through the handle.

Many pros have added only 2 stripes in the upper part of the blade, but if they weigh only 1 gram I dont think there is a difference, its only on a player's mind mostly, if we could somehow calculate the energy exerted 2 grams of added weight wont do much of a difference

Schlager for example always wanted to play with 93 gr blade, even for a world champ, mind games can make you paranoid. I dont think schlager would play worse if they gave him two blades 91 and 95 for example and told him that its 93.

Would be interesting to see if he would notice though which one is lighter or heavier , which means the feel definitely changes even with a minimum adaptation

langel
08-31-2017, 08:41 AM
Thats ok, TTFrenzy.
I agree that if we compare two blades of one and the same model with slight 1-2 gr. difference in weight most probably will not catch this difference, if its equally distributed. But if we add 2 gr. right to the top I'm prety sure it will be very sensible.
But thats just another story.
In my experiment /obviously nonsense/ I wanted to check will this balancers help with a particular shot. I placed 2.5 gr on one side of the blade /the lower for the hit/ and it really helped, but it jeopardised all other hits. But its for me, with others it may be different.1
My main blade is 85 gr., 186 gr. bat total. I have another blade of 94 gr., 197 bat total.
The lighter is the bat the more sensitive it is to weight and balance changes not only in feeling, but in play too.

Garrison
08-31-2017, 10:37 AM
I think hitting straight with your forehand is just a way harder shot than with the backhand. It's rather an anatomical problem imo

langel
08-31-2017, 11:16 AM
Yes, for sure.

langel
09-10-2017, 11:58 AM
Recently I watched this match


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcZ8JBoLqRU

and found the ML's hit at 2.26 exactly the same I've described in the OP with which I had some confusement.

Baal
09-10-2017, 02:37 PM
I came to the conclusion, that my bat is perfect as it is, but I'm not, so its better to improve my technique and grip, rather than the bat.
Inevitably what we all discover, more or less. You didn't spend much discovering it, so all good. There is a lot to be said for the right grip tape, though.

langel
09-10-2017, 02:51 PM
Yes, Baal, that's true.
Speaking about this particular hit I really found a way /for myself/ to do it with less confusion.
It's always good to know where is the blade's COW, to feel it and to decide how to better control some confusements, changing grip and finger position and preasure.