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Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 07:57 AM
HI guys. I'm a new member of this great community. I'm from Italy and i'm 29 years old.
I would like to know if there were other antispin players here inside. I'm a big fan of this style of play.
It would be nice to share your experience.
I also have a youtube channel where i upload my matches and test:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/bv46YbQiTf0?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/kNn2H6_74Lo?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

https://www.youtube.com/embed/8cTuXkK3H50?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZHmgC2hTHU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0




https://www.youtube.com/embed/0I3vmCXDF-k?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Bye! πŸ‘

Lycanthrope
08-23-2021, 08:28 AM
I wish someone can remind your opponent in red that he should toss the all at lease 16cm when serve.πŸ˜ƒ

Gozo
08-23-2021, 09:45 AM
I wish someone can remind your opponent in red that he should toss the all at lease 16cm when serve.πŸ˜ƒ
Hear hear! I am surprise you nor the umpire did not call out his totally illegal serve during the match.

Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 09:57 AM
I wish someone can remind your opponent in red that he should toss the all at lease 16cm when serve.πŸ˜ƒ
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ He was convinced he was playing beach table tennis! :)

Gozo
08-23-2021, 10:20 AM
HI guys. I'm a new member of this great community. I'm from Italy and i'm 29 years old.
I would like to know if there were other antispin players here inside. I'm a big fan of this style of play.
It would be nice to share your experience.
I also have a youtube channel where i upload my matches and test:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/zX2ndM6o9ac?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/vBozB7OAPXQ?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
Bye! πŸ‘
Hello Andrea,

Nice play my friend. May I ask you, what then is a good blade to pair with anti-rubber. BTW, what brand of anti are you using?

Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 10:56 AM
Hello Andrea,

Nice play my friend. May I ask you, what then is a good blade to pair with anti-rubber. BTW, what brand of anti are you using?
Hi Gozo!
IMHO, the best combination for maximum effectiveness is a fast and stiff blade and a antitop with slow and dampening sponge.
I in fact use Stiga Carbonado 190 and Dr Neubauer ABS (the old one).
The choice of blade is personal. It depends on what you are used to play with. For example there are a lot of stiff blades with balsa but i don't like the feeling of these.

Lazer
08-23-2021, 05:10 PM
I wish someone can remind your opponent in red that he should toss the all at lease 16cm when serve.πŸ˜ƒ
I do the same thing, I get called on it every once in a while. It’s really hard to get rid of. When you stop thinking about it you fall right back...

Cheers
L-zr

Tinykin
08-23-2021, 05:19 PM
The OP must have some strong glutesπŸ˜ƒ
Any particular exercise that you do?

Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 06:51 PM
The OP must have some strong glutesπŸ˜ƒ
Any particular exercise that you do?
Hi tinykin. Sorry but i didn't understand what you're referring to.

Andrea_Aschi
08-23-2021, 07:42 PM
Here a new video! antispin vs antispin and long pimples. hope you enjoy ;)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0I3vmCXDF-k?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Tinykin
08-23-2021, 10:14 PM
Hi tinykin. Sorry but i didn't understand what you're referring to.
Sorry, mate. You have a very low stance when you are in your ready position. Thus you must have very strong leg muscles.

brokenball
08-24-2021, 02:26 AM
Andrea, why are you playing with frictionless anti when you are so mobile? You fore hand is your main weapon. You have good loops and are fast enough to get into position. It is hard to keep the opponent under pressure with anti and especially frictionless anti. I don't see where the anti was doing you much good.

I noticed some chopping type of strokes in the first video. Trying to chop with frictionless anti is a waste of effort. One can chop with Best Anti because ut has some friction but it won't fool anybody.

The only thing I see that could be better is hitting the ball with the anti a little sooner. When playing the chopper you bounced back balls with your anti when at their peak. The problem is that balls that are hit from a high position will also bounce high. Hitting the ball when lower is a little more risky but the ball will not bounce up high. Also, you can use the chopper's back spin as your top spin so you can be a little more aggressive with the speed. Another thing that would be good to try is to block the ball right after the bounce to kill its energy and block short making the chopper run up to the table.

Consider twiddling. I didn't see any.

I have a Dr Neubauer Matador with T05 on the FH and Megablock on the BH. I use more a push blocking style, as if I am playing with long pips, and stay closer to the table but I am 68 and not near as mobile as you.

lodro
08-24-2021, 02:47 AM
Hear hear! I am surprise you nor the umpire did not call out his totally illegal serve during the match.
😁I just got the invite to our club competition and it said that it would be played under ITTF standard rules.
Knowing the ""STANDARD"" of most of the serves here, and the fact that everybody has long given up
calling illegal serves, I was going to ask the umpires if they would really play under the ITTF standard rules - or the Walt Disney version (AKA Micky Mouse)
Now we just got put into Covid lockdown............................bugger.

Gozo
08-24-2021, 04:29 AM
Here a new video! antispin vs antispin and long pimples. hope you enjoy ;)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0I3vmCXDF-k?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
Amazing game. Good one Andrea. Very entertaining! 😍

Andrea_Aschi
08-24-2021, 08:02 AM
Sorry, mate. You have a very low stance when you are in your ready position. Thus you must have very strong leg muscles.
I enjoy doing both strenght and mobility training. It helps a lot!
Some of the exercises you can do are squats, lunges and wall sit.

t.t.s.t.a.r
08-24-2021, 08:03 AM
😁I just got the invite to our club competition and it said that it would be played under ITTF standard rules.
Knowing the ""STANDARD"" of most of the serves here, and the fact that everybody has long given up
calling illegal serves, I was going to ask the umpires if they would really play under the ITTF standard rules - or the Walt Disney version (AKA Micky Mouse)
Now we just got put into Covid lockdown............................bugger.
I am New Zealand as well, I was looking forward to the south island championships, but nope, which club are you from?

Andrea_Aschi
08-24-2021, 08:19 AM
Andrea, why are you playing with frictionless anti when you are so mobile? You fore hand is your main weapon. You have good loops and are fast enough to get into position. It is hard to keep the opponent under pressure with anti and especially frictionless anti. I don't see where the anti was doing you much good.

I noticed some chopping type of strokes in the first video. Trying to chop with frictionless anti is a waste of effort. One can chop with Best Anti because ut has some friction but it won't fool anybody.

The only thing I see that could be better is hitting the ball with the anti a little sooner. When playing the chopper you bounced back balls with your anti when at their peak. The problem is that balls that are hit from a high position will also bounce high. Hitting the ball when lower is a little more risky but the ball will not bounce up high. Also, you can use the chopper's back spin as your top spin so you can be a little more aggressive with the speed. Another thing that would be good to try is to block the ball right after the bounce to kill its energy and block short making the chopper run up to the table.

Consider twiddling. I didn't see any.

I have a Dr Neubauer Matador with T05 on the FH and Megablock on the BH. I use more a push blocking style, as if I am playing with long pips, and stay closer to the table but I am 68 and not near as mobile as you.
Hi! These are excellent considerations.
I played for years with 2 Tenergy then i switched to this style because my backhand was not so strong.
I really enjoy playing with a frictionless anti because allow me to slow down the game and then hit hard with my forehand.
Obviously there are pros and cons.

Andrea_Aschi
08-24-2021, 08:21 AM
Amazing game. Good one Andrea. Very entertaining! 😍
This is great! very happy you liked.❀

Tinykin
08-24-2021, 01:58 PM
I enjoy doing both strenght and mobility training. It helps a lot!
Some of the exercises you can do are squats, lunges and wall sit.

Good. I am closer to 70yo than 60yo and have now started using a low stance. Not as low as yours of course. The reason is purely to acquire more fitness from playing TT. It's fun so far (except for a little PITA☺) and I am really tired afterwards, so it must be working 😎.

Andrea_Aschi
08-27-2021, 02:30 PM
New video! πŸ–
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YZ-DZivYExo?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
08-27-2021, 10:08 PM
Andrea, you inspired me to try to play with my Megablock. I hadn't played with it for a while. I drew a perfect vacuum. ( That is headed engineer speak for I sucked ). My anti hitting was awful. Just bouncing the ball back wasn't winning me any points because my practice partner has lots of playing against my LP or Anti. I found I had to play more like your style where I had to move and use my FH to win points. What worked well was blocking short to the sides just behind the net. When I get a weak return I can move fast enough so that I can kill with my FH.

I decided that Megablock or any friction-less anti didn't fit my personality, too passive, so I removed it and put on 1.5mm Yasaka Anti Power, YAP. YAP has more friction but then I could return "running serves" with a chop was only marginally effective but better than with friction-less anti. I would try to chop deep. Otherwise I was trying to block left and right and angles and just behind the net until I could get a FH attack.

So friction-less anti is not the right rubber for me. I really don't think it is the right rubber for you. We'll see.

Andrea_Aschi
08-28-2021, 07:33 AM
Andrea, you inspired me to try to play with my Megablock. What worked well was blocking short to the sides just behind the net. When I get a weak return I can move fast enough so that I can kill with my FH.




I'm happy i inspired you! that's exactly what you should do with a slow antitop on bh.
Unfortunately this style is not suitable for everyone. I understand you prefer to play with YAP, it's more versatile!

brokenball
08-28-2021, 02:33 PM
I'm happy i inspired you! that's exactly what you should do with a slow antitop on bh.
Unfortunately this style is not suitable for everyone. I understand you prefer to play with YAP, it's more versatile!
But now I know I am not a frictionless anti player. I need to be more aggressive. Just bouncing the ball back isn't enough.
BTW, go to the OOAK forum if you haven't found it already.
https://ooakforum.com (https://ooakforum.com/search.php?search_id=active_topics&sid=c9a8dd72fd04bb40b4cbcd22c75320e4)
They have more anti and LP players there. There is one player, AA, that seems to be sponsored by Der Material Specialist and plays with frictionless anti
There is a section on anti rubbers
https://ooakforum.com/viewforum.php?f=17Practice blocking short. Here is a video where I win 3 points in 2 minutes blocking short with LP 0X Giant Dragon Talon
https://deltamotion.com/peter/TableTennis/Jeff%20and%20Peter%20with%20Blocking%20LP%202min.mp4
I think this would drive the choppers nuts and would have made the match against the chopper easier.

Rinforzando
08-28-2021, 05:35 PM
AA = Amir Ahmed you can find some videos of him on youtube

Andrea_Aschi
08-29-2021, 07:49 AM
But now I know I am not a frictionless anti player. I need to be more aggressive. Just bouncing the ball back isn't enough.
BTW, go to the OOAK forum if you haven't found it already.
https://ooakforum.com (https://ooakforum.com/search.php?search_id=active_topics&sid=c9a8dd72fd04bb40b4cbcd22c75320e4)
They have more anti and LP players there. There is one player, AA, that seems to be sponsored by Der Material Specialist and plays with frictionless anti
There is a section on anti rubbers
https://ooakforum.com/viewforum.php?f=17Practice blocking short. Here is a video where I win 3 points in 2 minutes blocking short with LP 0X Giant Dragon Talon
https://deltamotion.com/peter/TableTennis/Jeff%20and%20Peter%20with%20Blocking%20LP%202min.mp4
I think this would drive the choppers nuts and would have made the match against the chopper easier.


I'm already a member of the OOAK forum. Great community! I have posted in the video section.
AA is a very strong anti player, definitely better than me. But i'm not crazy about his style.

I saw your video. Great timing on the ball both FH both BH!

Andrea_Aschi
08-31-2021, 03:48 PM
New video. Some training clips! πŸ˜‰
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Gov0AvM9EP0?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

TTOmar
08-31-2021, 07:20 PM
You are using ABS now, did you consider trying ABS 2 , 2 Soft or ABS 2 Evo?

Andrea_Aschi
09-01-2021, 07:14 AM
You are using ABS now, did you consider trying ABS 2 , 2 Soft or ABS 2 Evo?
Hi Omar!
I have never tried them. I'm not one who likes to do so many experiments.
You instead? if you could give me your opinion on these i would be grateful. ;)

Andrea_Aschi
09-04-2021, 05:23 PM
long battle against LP chopper!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/kAeRCFpyNPo?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
09-11-2021, 05:02 PM
New video! :)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/GXgqc2f_mLk?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
09-19-2021, 08:37 AM
new video! πŸ˜‡
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Df9Ih7u0sR4?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
09-29-2021, 07:29 PM
training video:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/JehKczh7azI?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
09-30-2021, 03:40 AM
Another good video. I liked this video too. I am paying attention to how close off the bounce you are hitting the ball. What do you do when your oppoent hits a very fast ball? Do you pull the paddle back like a catcher does with his mitt when catching a fast ball? Pulling your paddle back slightly will reduce the speed of the return significant and allow you to block shorter. Your opponent seemed to have trouble with the anti.
Some people don't know they should push one and top spin the next when playing against LP and anti. BTW, I removed my frictionless anti and replaced it with Yasaka Anti Power. It has a little more grip and less passive spin reversal. Yasaka anti power requires a more active stroke but I can chop a bit if necessary. I like your videos.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Df9Ih7u0sR4?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
10-08-2021, 04:35 PM
Another good video. I liked this video too. I am paying attention to how close off the bounce you are hitting the ball. What do you do when your oppoent hits a very fast ball? Do you pull the paddle back like a catcher does with his mitt when catching a fast ball? Pulling your paddle back slightly will reduce the speed of the return significant and allow you to block shorter.
Thank you brokenball! :)
I do exactly what you said when i have to respond a fast topspin. It is more issue of reflexes than technique.

By the way, new training video with slow sponge!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vehz_HYx1GU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
10-08-2021, 06:07 PM
Thank you brokenball! :)
I do exactly what you said when i have to respond a fast topspin. It is more issue of reflexes than technique.

By the way, new training video with slow sponge!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vehz_HYx1GU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

I would like to see you block short at an angle against a chopper when he is back from the table. I know you can do it. That will make them run up and back. If you block short to their pips, they will struggle to get the ball back and you will own them.

Andrea_Aschi
10-13-2021, 04:45 PM
new video! This time with aggressive backhand.😁
https://www.youtube.com/embed/c-gHyZ4YtVQ?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
10-19-2021, 07:07 PM
new training video with the slowest sponge available. πŸ˜‰
https://www.youtube.com/embed/xYBrHS0SiWA?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
10-24-2021, 08:48 AM
OX LP vs ANTISPIN 🀯
https://www.youtube.com/embed/-4wChlRlJfY?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
10-30-2021, 02:18 PM
Antispin vs Short Pimples! A
https://www.youtube.com/embed/1v1LLWe_6Kk?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

yoass
10-30-2021, 02:55 PM
I could have pressed the like button, but that wouldn’t do justice. Thank you.

Andrea_Aschi
11-16-2021, 08:43 PM
new video!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ssEdqvPU4jM?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
11-21-2021, 12:38 PM
testing new blade!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/cwf05nXZTfY?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
12-02-2021, 09:44 AM
new match video:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/-jENtZVNHqk?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
12-03-2021, 01:42 AM
Good match. However, your opponent almost always served too long. Serving low and short presents a problem for friction-less anti players because they must hit the ball up to get the ball over the net.

I am still waiting for a match against a chopper where you block short.

Arkady
12-04-2021, 11:00 AM
I will never ever comprehend why a player as good as you, who is young enough, fast and has a lot of training resorts to antispin rubbers, which is the "cowards" way to win opponents.... If you are good enough, win matches with your skills not with your equipment.Don't get me wrong, it's clear that you are a very good & skilled player. That's why I can't understand why you are using antispin, a rubber for old guys, who have no skills or physical abilities and aim to confuse the opponent, rather than beat him fair and square

Andrea_Aschi
12-08-2021, 09:39 AM
I will never ever comprehend why a player as good as you, who is young enough, fast and has a lot of training resorts to antispin rubbers, which is the "cowards" way to win opponents.... If you are good enough, win matches with your skills not with your equipment.Don't get me wrong, it's clear that you are a very good & skilled player. That's why I can't understand why you are using antispin, a rubber for old guys, who have no skills or physical abilities and aim to confuse the opponent, rather than beat him fair and square
Since i'm not a professional my priority is having fun. After years of training i found boring playing with 2 inverted rubbers. That's it.
If you think i win because of my equipment you're completely wrong.

By the way...new must watch video!😎
https://www.youtube.com/embed/G0VDwze9-U8?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Arkady
12-08-2021, 10:04 AM
Since i'm not a professional my priority is having fun. After years of training i found boring playing with 2 inverted rubbers. That's it.
If you think i win because of my equipment you're completely wrong.

By the way...new must watch video!😎
https://www.youtube.com/embed/G0VDwze9-U8?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
So what's your point?
Those who are playing with normal rubbers are not having fun? And why it's "boring" to play with normal rubbers? What's the fun in antispin.
Well, while it's evident that you are a very good player, I think it's also true that at least some of your wins are due to antispin.
That's true for 2 obvious reasons:
Fisrtly not many players use antispin so opponents have no experience against it, they are struggling and make too many unforced errors.
Secondly., if its wasn't confusing against opponents, you wouldn't use it in the first place. And that's a fact.

ZFT
12-09-2021, 08:02 AM
So what's your point?Those who are playing with normal rubbers are not having fun? And why it's "boring" to play with normal rubbers? What's the fun in antispin.Well, while it's evident that you are a very good player, I think it's also true that at least some of your wins are due to antispin.That's true for 2 obvious reasons:Fisrtly not many players use antispin so opponents have no experience against it, they are struggling and make too many unforced errors.Secondly., if its wasn't confusing against opponents, you wouldn't use it in the first place. And that's a fact.You’ve just proven OP point why it is so fun for anti users. It’s the reason why at the highest levels anti does not trouble the top inverted players as they have a complete understanding of how a spin ball β€œslips” off a frictionless surface and reverses the spin back. Instead of complaining you should try anti one time as you will understand OP’s valid argument that his material is not what wins him against inferior opponents. It’s inferior opponents not understanding what frictionless surface does to spin, there’s a lot of skill involved in using anti particular as there is no topspin to bring a block down back to a table so angle, feeling and touch are super important to an anti user. There is also frictionless anti and grippy anti which takes endless months/years of training/practice to fully grasp the intricacies to confuse an ignorant opponent like β€œyou” :)

Tembel
12-09-2021, 09:27 AM
So what's your point?
Those who are playing with normal rubbers are not having fun? And why it's "boring" to play with normal rubbers? What's the fun in antispin.
Well, while it's evident that you are a very good player, I think it's also true that at least some of your wins are due to antispin.
That's true for 2 obvious reasons:
Fisrtly not many players use antispin so opponents have no experience against it, they are struggling and make too many unforced errors.
Secondly., if its wasn't confusing against opponents, you wouldn't use it in the first place. And that's a fact.
In this particular game Andrea is definitely not having any advantage from using AntiSpin. His opponent is playing close to the table with not so much spin. The oppenent is not struggling at all with deceptive AntiSpin shots. I also play AntiSpin on backhand and find this kind of player the most difficult to play against.

Andrea won the game with his forehand loop.

AntiSpin is mostly benificial against a player who has a very good serve and who plays the game with heavy top spin.

jammmail
12-09-2021, 11:03 AM
It's not like he's playing with anything illegal - there are plenty of players that play with heavily boosted rubbers for instance - which isn't right in my opinion.

If people are easily confused or can't play against him - well thats not his fault they aren't good enough to figure it out.

There are lots of LP players in the league I play. The people that beat them are the ones that take their time and figure out there limitations. The ones that are frustrated and get angry dont win as they are too focused on the bat rather than beating the player.One of the reasons I love playing table tennis is the variety - different techniques, rubbers, blades etc.

Makes it far more interesting than everyone just playing the same with the same rubbers.

Andrea - you are a very talented player, I say keep doing what your doing, especially if you enjoy playing that way!

Andrea_Aschi
12-14-2021, 09:30 AM
new video!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/tJH3OiTkUww?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Kinay
12-19-2021, 07:02 PM
What sponge thickness is he useing on his tenergy? 2.1?

and what on his anti?

Hasna Haura Hayfa
12-20-2021, 02:10 AM
I still often lose against anti-friction.
my question is simple.
if I send the ball underspin, back to us what will the ball be?
is it the same as a mirror?

brokenball
12-20-2021, 04:18 AM
I still often lose against anti-friction.
my question is simple.
if I send the ball underspin, back to us what will the ball be?
is it the same as a mirror?

Top spin! If the ball has a lot of back spin the anti/LP 0X player can aggressively block back the ball because the ball has top spin and will dive like a looped ball.

If you are playing an anti or push blocking LP player, do not do two pushes or two loops to the anti/LP player in a row. At least not until you know what you are doing and have the skill to do it.

If push a back spin ball to the anti player and he blocks it back it will have topspin, not make spin when it gets to you. Do not try to push this ball back with and open paddle because the top spin will make the ball go high.

If you loop two balls in a row to the anti player, the incoming second ball will have back spin. Many hit this ball into the net. If you know this you can be safe by pushing back the back spin ball or you can brush loop the ball. Since the ball has back spin your paddle must match or exceed the tangential surface speed of the ball or the ball will go into the net.

My practice partners will top spin a ball to my anti then back spin a ball to my anti. Basically loop one, push one.
They rarely get fooled anymore. However, if I went to a tournament, I could probably win lots of easy games from people that don't have much experience at playing anti or pushblockng LP.

As a LP or anti player it is hard to be aggressive with the anti or LP. If the opponent keep hitting no spin and not very fast balls to my back hand I am screwed unless I twiddle or am able to step around and hit with my FH like Andrea does. I am 68 now an not that mobile. I can twiddle and use my BH to make an aggressive return but I can't do that if the opponent returns the ball quickly so I have no time to twiddle or step around and use my FH.

Andrea_Aschi
12-26-2021, 03:28 PM
new match video against OX long pimples! weird backhand battle 😁
https://www.youtube.com/embed/E_IYIBU2Sps?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
12-26-2021, 07:50 PM
new match video against OX long pimples! weird backhand battle 😁
https://www.youtube.com/embed/E_IYIBU2Sps?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Both players won more points with their FH. Too many times the returns from the LP or anti resulted in an easy FH kill shot for the opponent. It is clear the anti or LP did not fool their opponent at all.

Gozo
12-31-2021, 06:06 AM
I just watched my own video of my practice and I can see my BH is hopeless. πŸ˜₯ My FH is at least has some saving grace and able to loop properly.

My question is whether should I give up and place an anti spin ( looking at Butterfly Super Anti ) on it and just concentrate on improving my FH looping for a winner going forward?

Or

Should I persevere and keep on practicing my BH looping? I seem to have arrived at a crossroad.

vvk1
12-31-2021, 09:25 AM
I just watched my own video of my practice and I can see my BH is hopeless. πŸ˜₯ My FH is at least has some saving grace and able to loop properly.

My question is whether should I give up and place an anti spin ( looking at Butterfly Super Anti ) on it and just concentrate on improving my FH looping for a winner going forward?

Or

Should I persevere and keep on practicing my BH looping? I seem to have arrived at a crossroad.
Share the video and we'll tell you πŸ˜‰

Gozo
01-01-2022, 08:39 AM
Share the video and we'll tell you πŸ˜‰
I am private person.

Nonetheless I did Private Message one of those goodfellers that Carl approved to comment on video from another thread and we did have some conversation. ( I have even send him the aforementioned video for his viewing )

I was standing on the abyss, staring down the dark path on the verge of going into the dark side. However, that goodfeller did saved me from going into the dark side. So I will persevere a little while longer and continue to improve my BH using the conventional inverted rubber.

Thank you. Sorry to OP for derailing this thread.

PingBirdPong
01-02-2022, 07:38 AM
I am private person.

Nonetheless I did Private Message one of those goodfellers that Carl approved to comment on video from another thread and we did have some conversation. ( I have even send him the aforementioned video for his viewing )

I was standing on the abyss, staring down the dark path on the verge of going into the dark side. However, that goodfeller did saved me from going into the dark side. So I will persevere a little while longer and continue to improve my BH using the conventional inverted rubber.

Thank you. Sorry to OP for derailing this thread.
We must all resist the dark side together, fellow Jedi!

Andrea_Aschi
01-06-2022, 09:12 PM
Antispin vs Long Pimples Penholder...a very rare match here in Italy! πŸ˜„
https://www.youtube.com/embed/gc0hVhp6WkU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

NDH
01-06-2022, 09:55 PM
Antispin vs Long Pimples Penholder...a very rare match here in Italy! πŸ˜„
https://www.youtube.com/embed/gc0hVhp6WkU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
Awesome!

Just wanted to say it’s great to see your videos - Great camera angle and editing!

I just thank God that you both attack, because watching anti spin vs long pips defensive match would be excruciatingly painful! πŸ˜‚

hassancooking
01-07-2022, 12:28 AM
Anti rubber is for satanists.

Andrea_Aschi
01-27-2022, 08:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ESN-TKjx77I?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/1C_vqsDBxpw?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
02-01-2022, 03:54 AM
I like watching you play but it is really your FH and mobility that make the anti work. The people I play with know how to play against my anti or LP 0X. I win few easy points from their mistake.

Dominikk85
02-01-2022, 11:33 AM
Yeah andrea is a really good player. Not sure if he really needs antispin though, when he twiddles his regular backhand topspin is very nice too.

The anti makes it probably even tougher but really he probably would beat most (non pro) players with two inverted rubbers too.

Rizve Hasan
02-02-2022, 01:03 PM
Antispin vs Long Pimples Penholder...a very rare match here in Italy! πŸ˜„
https://www.youtube.com/embed/gc0hVhp6WkU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
I love watching your game. It's fun and the reaction of some of your opponents are priceless 🀣. Some are confused, some are clueless.πŸ˜‚ I am thinking of putting a sheet of anti-spin on my spare blade just to have some fun with my friends. πŸ˜πŸ˜‹.
Do you use a defensive blade or a regular OFF blade for your anti? Pls let us know and keep posting your videos. I follow U in youtube too.

CzopiarzePL
02-03-2022, 08:26 PM
Awesome!

Just wanted to say it’s great to see your videos - Great camera angle and editing!

I just thank God that you both attack, because watching anti spin vs long pips defensive match would be excruciatingly painful! πŸ˜‚
I saw two years ago anit spin player and long pimple player on match - they both was classic def style, and the game.. was eternity :-) I thiink the play one match about 40 minutes. It Was very borring because no one from them was able to attack. They only strike the ball from one side to the other

Gozo
02-03-2022, 11:39 PM
I saw two years ago anit spin player and long pimple player on match - they both was classic def style, and the game.. was eternity :-) I thiink the play one match about 40 minutes. It Was very borring because no one from them was able to attack. They only strike the ball from one side to the other
Andrea is far from boring, he attacks as well as defend very well.

To Andrea, are you a pro player i..e, play TT for a living, meaning you earn salary as a player? I notice that you play a lot in tournament.

Dominikk85
02-04-2022, 01:13 AM
I read somewhere he plays in the third highest league of his country (italy?)

That means he probably gets some money but not quite enough for a 100% living (semi pro basically).

In Germany I think there is definitely some good money in the third highest league

brokenball
02-04-2022, 01:27 AM
I saw two years ago anit spin player and long pimple player on match - they both was classic def style, and the game.. was eternity :-) I thiink the play one match about 40 minutes. It Was very borring because no one from them was able to attack. They only strike the ball from one side to the other
I have never seen a match take that long. Normally there is a rule where the point must be won after so many strokes if the match takes too long. I have only seen one match like this. The match involved an older woman anti player that was very good at defense. I believe her name was Maria Kretschmer or something like that. She would drive opponents nuts with her anti but she shopped and I don't think they had frictionless anti back then.

CzopiarzePL
02-04-2022, 05:06 AM
Andrea is far from boring, he attacks as well as defend very well.

To Andrea, are you a pro player i..e, play TT for a living, meaning you earn salary as a player? I notice that you play a lot in tournament.
exactly modern def play should looks like this ;) game can't be boring, even if you are a defender;)

Andrea_Aschi
02-06-2022, 01:09 PM
I love watching your game. It's fun and the reaction of some of your opponents are priceless 🀣. Some are confused, some are clueless.πŸ˜‚ I am thinking of putting a sheet of anti-spin on my spare blade just to have some fun with my friends. πŸ˜πŸ˜‹.
Do you use a defensive blade or a regular OFF blade for your anti? Pls let us know and keep posting your videos. I follow U in youtube too.
Thanks for the support!! ❀
I use a off+ blade, Stiga Carbonado 190.

Andrea is far from boring, he attacks as well as defend very well.

To Andrea, are you a pro player i..e, play TT for a living, meaning you earn salary as a player? I notice that you play a lot in tournament.
Hi Gozo!
I have never earned a single dime playing table tennis! 😬
I train twice a week with other amateur players like me. Fortunately in Italy there are many tournaments/championship day so I can play lots of official matches.
This year I play in the fifth Italian league but my level is higher.

Andrea_Aschi
02-06-2022, 01:15 PM
I uploaded new matches!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8cTuXkK3H50?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
https://www.youtube.com/embed/b9okZOabFxc?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZHmgC2hTHU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
02-23-2022, 04:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/OjPQN3e5XyM?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
03-03-2022, 08:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/kNn2H6_74Lo?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
03-09-2022, 02:12 PM
Training video!


https://www.youtube.com/embed/bv46YbQiTf0?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
03-14-2022, 02:16 AM
Antispin vs Long Pimples Penholder...a very rare match here in Italy! πŸ˜„
https://www.youtube.com/embed/gc0hVhp6WkU?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
There are too many high balls that are easily attacked.
One problem with playing with LP 0X is there is no sponge to absorb the energy of the incoming ball. Too many high energy balls will simply bounce off the LP 0X in an controlled way. Playing with LP 0X requires "soft hands" that draw back the blade a little so the paddle is actually moving backwards when impact is made. This is a little like a base ball catcher giving or drawing back his mitt when the pitcher pitches a fast ball.

Andrea_Aschi
03-18-2022, 01:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/g6SBd5hjIpQ?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

Andrea_Aschi
03-26-2022, 09:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YXAjAqKBUhw?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
03-26-2022, 11:32 AM
Your opponent knows how to play against LP 0X or frictionless anti. He made very few mistakes.

Andrea_Aschi
04-02-2022, 06:46 PM
Anti-spin vs long pips. Weird match! πŸ˜†
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Jy12X0gYt_w?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
04-03-2022, 01:20 AM
Anti-spin vs long pips. Weird match! πŸ˜†
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Jy12X0gYt_w?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0
That guy was good. He could hit pretty consistently with his LP 0X which is hard to do. Fortunately for you, you know how to return LP hits. I think your FH loops were the difference.

I find it difficult to hit with LP 0X so I must wait for "easy" shots. Few of these come back. Normally I must wait and be patient and block short or long depending on the situation. Being patient is not one of my strong points.

A person at our local club plays with LP 0X on the FH and inverted on the BH. I have seen him beat people rated 300 USATT points higher because they didn't know how to play against the LP 0X.

Andrea_Aschi
04-18-2022, 07:28 AM
New video!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/FzM2Vxe_I8U?autohide=1&controls=1&showinfo=0

brokenball
04-18-2022, 03:18 PM
I still think you should ditch the anti if you can get your BH to loop a fraction as well as your FH. Many of your opponents points were won by hitting back easy high balls from your anti. The anti makes it hard to hit winners.

ZFT
04-19-2022, 01:17 AM
Andrea - don’t ditch your anti, it’s refreshing to see more diversity within the game. Even now, Euro penholders are getting attention and wave of support to do well. Look at the views and comments under each Felix Lebrun or Dang Qiu video.

Also, I feel endless amount of people would try to seek you out to play with even at your high level πŸ˜€

At a similar level if you use double inverted, lower class would just give up as you would just do everything the same but better and it’s seen before. The rally would average 2-3 shots and pattern would be largely the same.

Keep up the good work!