Stiga Rosewood XO from TableTennis11.com, quality issue...

[raazzz]

all brands has problem with exact weight and there i dont think stiga is worse than others

That what I also have noticed, I mean the Butterflys Viscaria can change 10g from one blade to the other. Is it any brands who got the same weight on every blade, much be hard since the tree material must change a little from blade to blade.

 

[cakezxc280]

all brands has problem with exact weight and there i dont think stiga is worse than others

I've worked in a equipment shop back in '10 and I can tell you that is really the case. We weight every blade as they come in so we can mark it and let the customer choose their desired weight, and stiga had, by far, the biggest deviation out of them all. The worst I've seen was Clipper CR WRB (rated at 95g). I have seen it from 82g all the way up to 103. I bought that 82g one to use with heavier rubber setups and it felt like crap.

Stiga's QC is just notoriously bad for as far as I recall. Only stiga blades required sanding for their rough/hairy edges when they come into the store brand new (Hybrid Wood is especially prone to this problem). I dont know how it is now as it's been a long time since I last saw anyone using a Stiga blade but I have to say the Carbonados' look very promising.

 

[cakezxc280]

That can also be a pretty good thing. You will notice the same big weight variations from any "premium blades" manufacturers (Butterfly, Nittaku, Nexy, Xiom......).
This permit almost anyone to get "any" blade at the weight they like, you can get a 80gr viscaria as well as a 95gr viscaria....and I think it's a pretty good thing. Of course it can be an issue if you buy a blade without knowing his weight before, thinking that you will get a 85gr blade or not far and getting a 100+gr one....but it is possible to make from those weight variations, an advantage to get the weight you want from "any" blade.

That what I also have noticed, I mean the Butterflys Viscaria can change 10g from one blade to the other. Is it any brands who got the same weight on every blade, much be hard since the tree material must change a little from blade to blade.

it's something about the Alu-Tagged ALCs....especially TB ALC and Viscaria. They tend to deviate ALOT on all aspects from weight to feel, one day you can find a heavy-as-f**k sample that feels like you're playing with a slab of rock and another day you will find that one godlike viscaria that makes everything else you've played inferior. You dont see that from Butterfly with their ZL/W lines or the old metal tag TBS/Viscarias.

Also, the lightest Viscaria i've seen is mine that's 84g. Have yet to seen an 80g one but I think the optimum weight is around 87 for my setup....

 

[Killerspintt]

I have a viscaria light and still have one, the very first "premium blade" I bought, I think I was one of the first to get it in France, and when I controlled the weight of the blade : 92gr, today its certainly even more. I bought a second one then, it was impossible to check the weight before but I ask for the lighter VL they had in stock, the result : 86/87gr. There are tons of viscaria light under 80gr.

Just learned today that the heavy premium 7 plywood from Nittaku, the barwell............can reach the ultralight weight of.......77gr, I've seen several barwell over 95gr.

I don't know with is the worse about weight deviations, but the more premium, the more variations from my experience, and Butterfly stand at the top of premium blades.
A good thing is the nexy website were you can just chose the weight of your blade (if it is available). See the following link for Nexy Oscar (great blade, regret to have sold mine) : http://nexy.com/shop/blades/61-oscar.html
And from the numbers available "in stock" you can see that when they produce a Nexy Oscar, it's the same "chance" to be 80-82gr or 94-96gr.

The range is from 77-79gr to 94-96gr. Are those massive deviations a QC or a quality issue ? To you yes (because you link weight deviations to QC), to me absolutely not and I take advantage of it when I buy a Stiga/Nexy/Butterfly/Xiom/Nittaku premium blade.

 

[cakezxc280]

I have a viscaria light and still have one, the very first "premium blade" I bought, I think I was one of the first to get it in France, and when I controlled the weight of the blade : 92gr, today its certainly even more. I bought a second one then, it was impossible to check the weight before but I ask for the lighter VL they had in stock, the result : 86/87gr. There are tons of viscaria light under 80gr.

Just learned today that the heavy premium 7 plywood from Nittaku, the barwell............can reach the ultralight weight of.......77gr, I've seen several barwell over 95gr.

I don't know with is the worse about weight deviations, but the more premium, the more variations from my experience, and Butterfly stand at the top of premium blades.
A good thing is the nexy website were you can just chose the weight of your blade (if it is available). See the following link for Nexy Oscar (great blade, regret to have sold mine) : http://nexy.com/shop/blades/61-oscar.html
And from the numbers available "in stock" you can see that when they produce a Nexy Oscar, it's the same "chance" to be 80-82gr or 94-96gr.

The range is from 77-79gr to 94-96gr. Are those massive deviations a QC or a quality issue ? To you yes (because you link weight deviations to QC), to me absolutely not and I take advantage of it when I buy a Stiga/Nexy/Butterfly/Xiom/Nittaku premium blade.

ummmmm.....OBVIOUSLY vis light is gonna be lighter than Vis??? They are basically 2 different blades? viscaria light has a different structure from viscaria, the former is a 3+2 ply and the latter is 5+2. By removing that 2 limba layers from the original viscaria it will probably slow the blade down and basically change how it feel. That's like saying a Mercedes E200 is lighter than a E350, but hey they are both E-Klasses right?
Also the term "quality" from my perspective as a management student is how well the products conform to it's design, so yes, a big deviation = no good in my books.

 

[Killerspintt]

Viscaria light is absolutely not a Viscaria minus 2 layers. The tickness of the "remaining" layers is also changed (the koto outer is for example more tick in the Viscaria Light than in the viscaria). Indeed the VL rated weight is under the viscaria's, but yeah I got a VL heavier than most viscarias and both my VL are heavier (87 and 92gr) than the Viscaria I bought (86gr).

The premium manufacturers have the more variations. Joola and Andro have the less weight deviations from my experience. Will I say that Andro blades are better quality than butterfly or nexy blades ? Hmmm, no I won't.

Since my first premium blade (VL), I bought a ton of premium blades, most of time asking for the weight range in stock before purchase, definitely, Butterfly have the biggest variations.
Some of my butterfly blades in the picture you can find on my MX-P review : http://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/equipment/rubbers/7526-evolution-mx-p

And if I should consider weight deviation as bad quality/manufacturing/design/QC........then premium manufacturers Like Butterfly/Stiga/Nexy/Nittaku/Xiom......are the worst in terms of quality.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Well, you guys should know, exact weight for a blade isn't actually a quality control issue. Wood comes from trees. They are living things. The same size piece of wood from 10 different trees will all have different weights. It is almost like you are asking for all human beings of the same height to have the same weight.

The issue of weight for a blade is compounded by the fact that most blades have 5 or 7 plies, 3 for some carbon blades. If you have 2 all wood 7 ply blades, and all 7 of the plies, from one blade to the next have slightly different weights, they would have to throw out a lot of good wood to make 2 blades that were the same weight unless they cut them to different sizes. So they might make 20 blades to get 2 of a specific target weight and the other 18 blades that would be thrown out would be perfectly fine blades.

If a table tennis company tried to make all their blades of a certain kind the exact same exact weight, you would be paying a LOT more per blade.

If blades were made entirely of some material like carbon it would be easy to make all blades of a certain kind the same weight.

But, as Raazzz suggested, asking a store to weigh blades and find one that is a weight you want is a good solution.

All that being said, a blade delaminating, is a quality control issue. No matter how many times the wood has been banged on the edge, the plies should not separate.


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[Der_Echte]

bad day?

Abe had more than a bad day, more like a bad YEAR or so. That is why I gave him a Spartacus I doctored up for him.

If Abe's Spartacus looks anything like this in 6 months, there better be a long trail of assault victims and victories in events.

So far the score is 1-0 in the victory department vs broken blades (since using the Beast/Spartacus)

Personally, I am utter HELL on blades and have broken them in EVERY possible way imaginable, to include defense of friends property. (Broke the blade, but you shoulda seen that goon laid out by that one hit !!) Nothing surprises me. I fix what i can and move on. I move to the Der_Echte special in between broken main blades or between long term tests.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Those may have been good days. The kid is playing less than 18 months and is winning the U-1750.

Kazuyuki Yokuyama hits the table hard pretty much every time he pushes. The guy has been over 2550 (USATT rating). Nothing wrong with hitting the table. Especially when you push it could mean you are going to make the push heavier.

Most pros whose rackets I have looked at, their main bat is usually pretty dinged up.

You should see what Tahl Leibovitz's racket's look like by the time he breaks them. And he breaks a lot of rackets. But they don't delaminate.


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[Der_Echte]

I dont play much these days (although I am doing a tourney in Boston this weekend) but when i was more active playing in Korea, I might have given Tahl a sssssssserious run for McEnroe-like moments.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I dont play much these days (although I am doing a tourney in Boston this weekend) but when i was more active playing in Korea, I might have given Tahl a sssssssserious run for McEnroe-like moments.

hahaha. I did not know anyone could compete with Tahl on that level.