Shuki Development and Questions

[UpSideDownCarl]

There have been a lot of good comments with a lot of good info. Interesting that NextLevel gave the same for playing penholders that I texted you before the thread was made. But NDH gave some good info too. Lots of good info.

I think Archo just misread and misunderstood how you said you struggle with penholders and want to get better and somehow heard that you don't like playing them. We are the oddballs who like playing Vs players who give us trouble. Okay, anyone who wants to improve will probably come to that.

My actual suggestion, these penholders you have access to play, they don't seem totally standard. Play them as much as you can and you will learn ways of playing them. Be creative. Try different things even if you think it won't work.


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[Shuki]

The majority of advice I've gotten from you all against how to approach penholders has been great, I'll be testing quite a bit of it tomorrow night. Thanks for all the help! Especially to TTmonster, ndh, carl, vvk1,and nextlevel

I'll be bumping this thread every week or so when I have questions or uploads wanting critique if you all don't mind

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

@ NextLevel: we should get Shuki to play JP Kadzinski. Hahaha. Talk about weird style.


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[NextLevel]

JP had a strong showing at FIT. Beat a few good players and won the U2200. Almost beat a strong junior I know in the 2350. Had him down 2-0 before a change in strategy bore fruit.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Sometimes JP can do serious damage. I think he beat Matthew Khan one time at a Westchester tournament and Matthew is around 2450.


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[darnner123]

uhm a video would be nice
it seems like everyone here knows u personally or something

 

[Der_Echte]

darnner, the TT scene in US isn't in the hundreds of thousands yet, so many on the east coast know each other, even if they are 1000 km apart.

 

[Shuki]

I'd love to see JP if someone has video of him, Unfortunately since I'm not east coast I've never had the chance to meet such a player. This next year I'll be traveling quite a bit, florida in june, if anyone would like to meet up and hit

 

[Shuki]

Second weakness I thought of posted.

 

[Shuki]

Chinese penholders have a switchover point. It's just one of those things that people who don't have the right training can't find easily. It is closer to the elbow or the hip, depending on the particular penholder. You just have to look for it under the armpit and be patient.

The most important strategy I have found when playing penholders is to pull them out of the backhand corner and put the ball back there. If you do that, you will win most of the points.

FIRSTLY THIS IS ONLY SPEAKING OF TRADITIONAL PENHOLD. NO RPB

You told me everyone has a switchover point but after today, I played almost exclusively penholders trying to improve against them. I think you may have misinterpreted what I meant. And I would love for you to try and clarify again if I'm still wrong.

I noticed the penholders switchover point on their more active strokes, but when I attack and they block, they tend to do it right off the bounce with not much activity in their stroke. Do these blocks too have a switchover point?

I was more talking about when I attack at their elbow or hip and they're just blocking right over the table that they have no switchover point. I definitely noticed it on their active strokes though.

 

[NextLevel]

FIRSTLY THIS IS ONLY SPEAKING OF TRADITIONAL PENHOLD. NO RPB

You told me everyone has a switchover point but after today, I played almost exclusively penholders trying to improve against them. I think you may have misinterpreted what I meant. And I would love for you to try and clarify again if I'm still wrong.

I noticed the penholders switchover point on their more active strokes, but when I attack and they block, they tend to do it right off the bounce with not much activity in their stroke. Do these blocks too have a switchover point?

I was more talking about when I attack at their elbow or hip and they're just blocking right over the table that they have no switchover point. I definitely noticed it on their active strokes though.

Two points:

1) note that the existence of a switchover point as a weakness depends in part on how trained a player is at making a decision to use a stroke at the switchover point. Some players are so good that they will not look like they have a middle.

2) If someone is comfortably blocking your loops over the table, you need to raise the level of topspin. No one should be consistently able to do that. But yes, there is also a switchover point on blocking. The thing is that it is easy to train away unless they are blocking uncomfortable amounts of sidespin or topspin.

 

[Shuki]

2) If someone is comfortably blocking your loops over the table, you need to raise the level of topspin. No one should be consistently able to do that. But yes, there is also a switchover point on blocking. The thing is that it is easy to train away unless they are blocking uncomfortable amounts of sidespin or topspin.

really interesting point here, haven't heard players say I don't have much topspin too often. And they do this same stuff against high level players we have. One of which that comes to mind is an older gentleman by the name of Parvis, who's right now I think 2350ish +/-100. He also doesn't loop with a lot of spin though so it would make sense that they can do this to him too. He's adapted to them now but the first few times the penholders came they gave him quite the upset considering the level difference.

 

[Der_Echte]

I'm with Carl all the way.

Change Ur blade... change Ur trainer. Buy Le Cock Sportifgarments. Drink water. Listen to your mother. Pay your taxes.

 

[Der_Echte]

I was inspired to type in "Jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, but since TTD is popular, some people might wanna try that for LULZ and I dont wanna feel responsible for that today.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I'd love to see JP if someone has video of him, Unfortunately since I'm not east coast I've never had the chance to meet such a player. This next year I'll be traveling quite a bit, florida in june, if anyone would like to meet up and hit

Here is Edmund taking a match from JP.

Here is JP taking a match from Edmund:

NextLevel has some videos playing JP at tournaments as well.

 

[Shuki]

which of the two is jp?

edit: nevermind I see you saying this is him taking a match from jp

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

which of the two is jp?

edit: nevermind I see you saying this is him taking a match from jp

JP is the one who is pointing at the JP on his shoulder.

Kadzinski = not Chinese

Edmund Suen = not Eastern European.

 

[Shuki]

These video's make me itch to play. I got a good 6 hours of practice GAMES in today, 4 hours of which were against penholders, And I'm still itching for action. Thanks for the post. but also NO THANKS for the post and giving me this itch.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Here is JP against a kid named Ludovic who is 2300.

 

[Der_Echte]

I would like my shot vs JP... I know E. Seun has a much better rally game and knowledge of this guy, but E Seun doesn't really do a lot to make him miss except keep it on the table... and JP misses damned too little. I wanna see how he handles heavy spin, like NL or me. I wanna see how he would cope with my serves or 3rd ball.

I wanna ROCK, ROCK, I want to ROCK.