Christmas came early this year

[UpSideDownCarl]

once you know this, you can use today 729, tomorrow t05 and the next day short pips and always play pretty decently.

This is a really good point too. A player who already knows how to loop decently can loop with antispin or with the totally dead recreational rubber that Archie had on his previous racket. Heck, one time I played with this guy from Denmark who had trained with M Maze as a kid. At first he was using this HORRIBLE Halex premade bat with totally dead rubbers and he was still getting massive spin. I gave him my backup racket and he needed NO time to adjust to a decent setup. He hadn't hit in about 10 years and he still had to be 2300-2400 totally drunk. Hahaha.

But that Halex or Archie's other racket would stop him from learning how to really grab the ball and spin it. His tendency is already to make flat contact. A rubber that can grab the ball will help him learn how to grab and spin the ball. Once he can do that well, he'll be able to loop with dead rubber like a boss.

All Archie did was get the cheapest rubber available to him from where he was getting his blade so that he did not have to pay multiple shipping fees.

Next setup Archie gets will be a kukamonga special fakey JM SZLC with T05 so he can sport the patented Argentinian/Burko Fasina technique and style.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

from what I hear, sounds like you still need to go through the bar stage.
play for fun, play with anything, play with everything, just get used to the ball, the table, playing other people.
play silly shots, play defensive, play offensive, chop, loop, do whatever you want.
you are like trying to become a robot, that's not the way to learn.

This is actually an excellent comment as well.

 

[Archosaurus]

kuka, I've done what you're talking about. I can play with spoons, books, knives, whatever, and it's not that my ball control or overall mechanics are terrible. I've tried pretty much every shot out there and I can do some half decently.

Hell, I've even played with a racket that had the topsheet ripped off and just the sponge remained. I made it work and kicked some ass.


Thing is, doing that won't exactly make me into a good player. I need to actually pay some attention too. I can do it while having fun, but it doesn't mean I can completely disregard what I'm doing and with what kind of equipment.

 

[kukamonga]

kuka, I've done what you're talking about. I can play with spoons, books, knives, whatever, and it's not that my ball control or overall mechanics are terrible. I've tried pretty much every shot out there and I can do some half decently.

Hell, I've even played with a racket that had the topsheet ripped off and just the sponge remained. I made it work and kicked some ass.


Thing is, doing that won't exactly make me into a good player. I need to actually pay some attention too. I can do it while having fun, but it doesn't mean I can completely disregard what I'm doing and with what kind of equipment.

it's confusing, then why would you say you are a beginner?

 

[Archosaurus]

Well, you have a point. I'm not exactly a beginner.

Let's just say that I'm not terribly good, then.

 

[laistrogian]

"Take into account also that really shitty equipment will just build bad habits." -> how would you know this? you are just a beginner.
you are just repeating words blindly.
I used every type of equipment there is and I would never say "this equipment builds bad habits".
there's no such thing as a bad habit.
there's only the shot that will put ball in table and shot that will not put ball in table.

That's why I never tell beginners to use hurricane to start with unless they tell me they are willing to stick with hurricane forever. For me switching to hurricane takes a week to get used to but switching back to tensors takes longer adjustment period and I'm already one of those people who switch equipments so often I just do my basic stroke to get similar result

Kuka is right: but it only applies if the player already has good fundamentals and can do what is required.

And kuka, I know that shitty equipment builds bad habits, because today I had to change my habits to get better performance out of this new rubber that's still not exactly very good, but not shitty either.

If I was able to play shots with amazing placement and heavy spin immediately, then I'd be wrong, and playing with dead premade rubber would have taught me the good habits. It clearly hasn't.

Carl, I did drills like that today. Double bounce over the table, rolling the ball along the table, looping it off the edge etc. Now to just be able to do that consistently and against a fast ball.

No, you act like you know but you actually don't know nor have you truly experienced it. This is sports not some math, you could learn all the theory in the world about footwork and timing when to hit the ball and you'll still play like shit.

If you want to talk about footwork mechanism and how to do a killing 5th ball but have never even received a proper training with proper drills, you are just a joke.

 

[Archosaurus]

laistrogian, why the uncalled for comment? What exactly did you quote that warrants that?

 

[NextLevel]

laistrogian, why the uncalled for comment? What exactly did you quote that warrants that?

The fact that after all this, you still don't appreciate how clueless you really are. But my guess now is that other than playing a serious player, nothing will really show you the gap between what you think you can do and what is really happening.

 

[Archosaurus]

The fact that after all this, you still don't appreciate how clueless you really are. But my guess now is that other than playing a serious player, nothing will really show you the gap between what you think you can do and what is really happening.

Actually, I've started to appreciate it more these days. Playing a good player would do me good.

I still do not see anything in the quoted post that is me talking out of my ass. I think you just want to vent, honestly.

 

[kukamonga]

you said before you studied physics.
also you said you are extremely obsessive with your equipment.
that kind of starts painting your personality and it fits pretty well with the stereotype of wanting to over analyse everything.

 

[Archosaurus]

you said before you studied physics.
also you said you are extremely obsessive with your equipment.
that kind of starts painting your personality and it fits pretty well with the stereotype of wanting to over analyse everything.

Yes. I think anyone who's known me for longer than a month would have understood that, and they should be able to give me good advice based on that, or just ignore whatever I say because they know I'm getting over my head in my analysis.

So, what did you want to say exactly? That I should stop over analyzing things?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I'm going to ignore the rest of the banter and just say this:

Archie, now that you have a rubber that has a topsheet that is capable of grabbing the ball, you you need to focus first is learning to grab the ball with the topsheet and make thin or semi-thin brush contact.

After that there will be mechanics about forearm snap and wrist whip that will help tangential racket speed. First get solid with brush contact. The rest will fall into place if that becomes solid and you will start knowing (or sensing) when to make deeper brush contact. What might be hard for you for a while is keeping from making flat contact with little tangential speed since that is what you have trained previously.

That could change fast or it could take a lot to change that. Hopefully you will be able to feel when brushing becomes second nature.


Sent from Deep Space by Abacus

 

[kukamonga]

Yes. I think anyone who's known me for longer than a month would have understood that, and they should be able to give me good advice based on that, or just ignore whatever I say because they know I'm getting over my head in my analysis.

So, what did you want to say exactly? That I should stop over analyzing things?

honestly just do what you want, you don't have to ask others.
my comment was just because using those rubbers is like driving a 1970 chevy.
why would you do that when you can drive a 2016 ferrari?

 

[NextLevel]

Actually, I've started to appreciate it more these days. Playing a good player would do me good.

I still do not see anything in the quoted post that is me talking out of my ass. I think you just want to vent, honestly.

You know that shitty equipment builds bad habits because? I mean, you have great habits? You have changed your habits in 1 hour? Or because Carl told you?

No you didn't talk out.of your ass but you absolutely can't resist drawing strong conclusions even when you lack the expertise or experience to do so.

 

[Archosaurus]

I'm going to ignore the rest of the banter and just say this:

Archie, now that you have a rubber that has a topsheet that is capable of grabbing the ball, you you need to focus first is learning to grab the ball with the topsheet and make thin or semi-thin brush contact.

After that there will be mechanics about forearm snap and wrist whip that will help tangential racket speed. First get solid with brush contact. The rest will fall into place if that becomes solid and you will start knowing (or sensing) when to make deeper brush contact. What might be hard for you for a while is keeping from making flat contact with little tangential speed since that is what you have trained previously.

That could change fast or it could take a lot to change that. Hopefully you will be able to feel when brushing becomes second nature.


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I think I am going to as well. People don't seem to realize that I'd not be asking for advice if I didn't understand that I'm not that good. I just know someone is going to come and tell me that I don't even know how bad I am.

Carl, I've had more success brushing over the ball with a very closed racket angle and whipping the wrist and forearm than with anything else.
I'm incapable of producing a truly good brush loop with a mostly open racket, though. I feel as if I'm tapping the ball on it's back softly instead of brushing it.

I have an easier time generating decent spin and brushing when doing one of those cross step sidespin shots with the racket tip down than when slow looping.

Kuka, many performance and race driving instructors would tell you why you'd want to learn on the Chevy and not on the Ferrari.

 

[kukamonga]

also, unless all you do is push push push then it's actually harder to play with a 729 than with a say donic bluefire.
I don't know, normal players block, loop, push, lob, move to different distances.
unless your game is super limited I don't see how it could help to use 729.
that's why I compare it to a 1970 chevy.

 

[NextLevel]

Archo,

Until you actually play at a serious level for an extended period, kowabunga will always be right, no matter how reasonable you think you are being. He understands what he is saying. You are rationalizing what you are saying.

 

[Suga D]

Is it just me or does it smell like a whole lotta smartazz in here. Yuk.
[Emoji23]
Archie just go ahead and enjoy your blade

 

[Archosaurus]

Kuka is probably right. 729 FX is a 10eur rubber, Donic Bluefire is a 50eur rubber, approx.

Of course Bluefire is going to be loads better. It will probably be better in everything. I do not have the money for Bluefire, though. So I took what I had the money for.


Suga D, I think I'll do that. Although I know there's a rule somewhere saying that you're not allowed to enjoy things.

 

[izra]

the only thing i am concerned about here is whether or not you have a good enough practice partner to be able to see how your new bat reacts to different types of shots.