Rebulding Fundamental strokes for my game play

[Der_Echte]

There isn't another tt forum like ttd with all the characters like Goon Squad, Rambo, the Abinator who wrestles alligators and Spartacus blades, the Cookie Monster, the Legion of Zombies, and all the physics majors and trouble makers.... and all the high tech stuff like nsA spy phones and bullseye filters.

It is a wonder the world isn't jumping off the nearest bridge... but damn, too much shyt-canned going down in Europe. I used to live in Ans Bach where dude blew himself up selfishly and made people clean him up and a dozen got hurt.

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[ttmonster]

It is sad whats going on in the world we are lucky to belong to any group where the talk is not about destruction ... !

There isn't another tt forum like ttd with all the characters like Goon Squad, Rambo, the Abinator who wrestles alligators and Spartacus blades, the Cookie Monster, the Legion of Zombies, and all the physics majors and trouble makers.... and all the high tech stuff like nsA spy phones and bullseye filters.

It is a wonder the world isn't jumping off the nearest bridge... but damn, too much shyt-canned going down in Europe. I used to live in Ans Bach where dude blew himself up selfishly and made people clean him up and a dozen got hurt.

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[Boogar]

One-Loop-Man... The TTD One-Loop-Squad?
A loop so strong you win three games straight with it, heck you even win the tournament and the next one in advance!

Today im flying back to Europe was a fun time over here and i would loved to play against more of you crazy fellas

 

[ttmonster]

Bon Voyage Boogar !!!

One-Loop-Man... The TTD One-Loop-Squad?
A loop so strong you win three games straight with it, heck you even win the tournament and the next one in advance!

Today im flying back to Europe was a fun time over here and i would loved to play against more of you crazy fellas

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Okay. So, a little story about Rambo looping. There is this guy I play with every so often. I feel like we are pretty similar levels. When we play matches they are always close. I win sometimes. He wins sometimes. There will be times when I will dominate for a day or a week or something. And then it turns the other way.

Now, I'm training with someone else who knows this guy and he tells me that I am at least a level higher than my friend. I reply that we play dead even in matches and that I don't think I'm better than him. I will maintain that and I will explain why after. But this guy maintains I am a higher level player so I ask why he feels that.

He says: "you get way more spin on your loops than he does."

This guy is about 2000-2100. NextLevel and Der_Echte know him. PingPongHolic is who I'm talking about.

Now, this is a few months earlier and a guy who is 2600 says basically the same thing about another guy who I am dead even with and split matches with. This 2600 player says it a different way though. He says "your ball quality is way better than Joe's."

When pressed, this guy says ball quality means more spin, better pace and better control of placement. But the most important part of that triad is the spin.

Now, even though I am able to concede that my ball quality is better than many people my level. My receive of serve is so much worse that it evens things out. My serves may be better than these guys but there receive of serve is good enough to handle my serves and pressure me on my third ball. And their serves are good enough to frustrate my lame receive of serve "skills".

To improve that, I need to work on it and also play more matches. Unfortunately I don't have time these days.

But the important detail here is: more spin, more spin, more spin.

And that whipping action that NextLevel and the Rambo looping Der_Echte are talking about are paramount in the process. So is hand pressure, touch, feel and contact which really are all separate parts of one whole.

Clearly the Mad-As-A-Hatter-Jugaadu-Trick-Shot-WannaBe has the touch but not the mechanics of a good stroke.

Here's to him giving us more entertainment by looping off a wall and in various other ways that will make us laugh.

And here is a video from the PongFinity YouTube channel: these are the guys who Siva aspires to become:

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[ttmonster]

Thanks Carl for putting things in perspective, now I just need to figure out a way for Siva's "Advanced skills" videos to not show up in my youtube feed and wait till he is ready to do sidespin around the net loops to snuff out candles a mile away

Okay. So, a little story about Rambo looping. There is this guy I play with every so often. I feel like we are pretty similar levels. When we play matches they are always close. I win sometimes. He wins sometimes. There will be times when I will dominate for a day or a week or something. And then it turns the other way.

Now, I'm training with someone else who knows this guy and he tells me that I am at least a level higher than my friend. I reply that we play dead even in matches and that I don't think I'm better than him. I will maintain that and I will explain why after. But this guy maintains I am a higher level player so I ask why he feels that.

He says: "you get way more spin on your loops than he does."

This guy is about 2000-2100. NextLevel and Der_Echte know him. PingPongHolic is who I'm talking about.

Now, this is a few months earlier and a guy who is 2600 says basically the same thing about another guy who I am dead even with and split matches with. This 2600 player says it a different way though. He says "your ball quality is way better than Joe's."

When pressed, this guy says ball quality means more spin, better pace and better control of placement. But the most important part of that triad is the spin.

Now, even though I am able to concede that my ball quality is better than many people my level. My receive of serve is so much worse that it evens things out. My serves may be better than these guys but there receive of serve is good enough to handle my serves and pressure me on my third ball. And their serves are good enough to frustrate my lame receive of serve "skills".

To improve that, I need to work on it and also play more matches. Unfortunately I don't have time these days.

But the important detail here is: more spin, more spin, more spin.

And that whipping action that NextLevel and the Rambo looping Der_Echte are talking about are paramount in the process. So is hand pressure, touch, feel and contact which really are all separate parts of one whole.

Clearly the Mad-As-A-Hatter-Jugaadu-Trick-Shot-WannaBe has the touch but not the mechanics of a good stroke.

Here's to him giving us more entertainment by looping off a wall and in various other ways that will make us laugh.

And here is a video from the PongFinity YouTube channel: these are the guys who Siva aspires to become:

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[NextLevel]

I think people underestimate PPH's consistency and movement. Shot quality isn't everything, if it was I would be 2200. I am not the one who says that, people who play me do.

In any case, I am developing a couple of new techniques. Of course, there is the One-Loop-Kill and there is the Serious Consecutive Loops combo. There is also the Normal Opening loop stroke as well as the Multiple Loops with Deliberate Intent to Devastate combo.

By the way, everyone should seek out and watch One-Punch Man of they haven't. It made my weekend twice as fun.

One-Loop... again????

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

Lol, every Wannabe is a wannabe till they make it big. I don't have any qualms of beings a wannabe. But, Mad as hatter is quite true

Seriously, I feel this quys should inspired by my work. It takes like one hour to perform all those tricks

 

[NextLevel]

One trick... again????

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

LOL, Absolutely keep them coming

 

[Archosaurus]

I think people underestimate PPH's consistency and movement. Shot quality isn't everything, if it was I would be 2200. I am not the one who says that, people who play me do.

In any case, I am developing a couple of new techniques. Of course, there is the One-Loop-Kill and there is the Serious Consecutive Loops combo. There is also the Normal Opening loop stroke as well as the Multiple Loops with Deliberate Intent to Devastate combo.

By the way, everyone should seek out and watch One-Punch Man of they haven't. It made my weekend twice as fun.

One-Loop... again????

As a sidenote to this, everyone here should watch Ping Pong if they haven't. Free on Crunchyroll, and there's no need for eyepatches and stump legs either.

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

Hi Guys, Back to rework again, in the last feedback it was suggested that I could get much more snap on the ball. So, after changing the table setting against the wall, I was able to get some normal high bounce balls for attack. Nothing extraordinary but it was better than self hit except for the mobile positioning became challenging.

In this video, I was focussing on hitting around the golden triangle zone and tried to get some more snap. This I shoot in the normal mode and the other two in the slowmo mode. Felt little than better than the usual. I chose to stay erect than on knees just to focus on the upper arm- fore arm movements. Is it necessary for the ball to remain close around the body to increase the torque of Forearm?

I would like to what do you guys think generally about the first video.

In the second video, I stepped little back and tried to observe my moments. Felt dissatisfied on most accounts because I felt the same problems persist

In the third video, I stepped both sideways and backwards and tried to correct those mistakes which I observed in the second video. Felt little better, I am trying absorb the Petrl Korbel Forehand ideas. What do you think about this? Have made any progress in general? I do understand I have to work again separately for backspin and topspin as well, before that atleast I would like to correct the stroke against normal balls

 

[Der_Echte]

All I can say is it all starts with you being more upright than a telephone pole. You start from a small crouch, but then when you toss the ball, you come out of crouch and stay upright. Very difficult to get to proper position like that. This is affecting your stroke hugely as you are trying to compensate and the strokes get more and more weird the more you are out of position or too late to get there.

 

[NextLevel]

I love it. So many learners get bored with the basics so they try to complicate the basics to keep their interest.

Siva the Jugaadu, for all your mastery of Jugaad, self-hitting is recommended so you can focus on what is important and stop dealing with variables like moving, tracking the ball etc. when you haven't developed a proper stance and footwork. All that was expected was for you to try to display proper whip mechanics. With self hitting, you control the timing 100%. When people get bored with self hitting, I tell them to vary the amount of spin, trajectory and/or placement of the ball and to put targets on the table if necessary. Try to hit the targets with both lower arcing and higher arcing heavy spins. But they have to get the mechanics right first. I honestly can't tell how improved they are, though I suspect your contact is still too hard and thick for a real topspin loop.

After all this, the camera view from the back is still missing.

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

@Der_Echte, @Nextlevel Thanks for the feedback guys, there is always many things I miss. I will try to get back to what was recommended in this feedback for next self hit session

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

There are times when you ought to accept that there is something fundamental that you are missing in terms of understanding. That you keep trying to understand from people writing answers for what you need to work on. And you keep trying to understand, go back to the drawing board and start changing things, only to find there are now new things to change because you did not properly understand the old things that needed to be changed.

I have this friend, he is just short of 2500 and he is a coach. He has a student who has made amazing progress. But it took a long time. This guy is about 60. He is very wealthy. Financially he can do whatever he wants. So he will take 4 hour lessons 3-4 days a week. Now, in the last few months he has started realizing that his coach knows what he is doing and listening to him. And the coach is an awesome coach. He is the kind who really teaches you and tries to get you to understand, conceptually, what you need to really make improvements that will matter for your development.

The student is a CEO and a big wig. He is used to telling people what they need to do. But not used to having someone tell him. So this coach gave me all these stories about how this student would argue with him and tell the coach what the coach need to teach him. The coach would sort of laugh, figure that it was the student's money. But would continue to explain why the student needed to work on the stuff the coach was seeing that needed work.

At a certain point the guy started trusting the coach and letting the coach make those decisions. And MAN HIS LEVEL SHOT UP after he did that.

Siva, find a real coach. Take 1, 2 or 3 lessons. See if you can get the coach to recommend ways you can work on improving on your own. Explain that you cannot really afford coaching. But that you need to understand what to work on.

That will work better than this process. Because, over the Internet, the information is harder to understand and easier to interpret in a way that will slow your progress. A session or two with a real coach who REALLY knows what he is doing would be worthwhile.

Regardless of whether you do that or not, your overall level of play is way above the level of your strokes and your technique.

Your serves insure that in a game, someone who cannot handle your serves will probably not beat you. So, if that is what you are concerned with, none of this matters.


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[Suga D]

Siva, i totally agree with Carl. Really try to get a coach, even if it's only till you have the fundamentals intus. You would be doing yourself a big favour.
You really seem to have a talent, but it seems to me as if your attitude is sometimes blocking your way. Please don't misunderstand.

As carl mentioned, you seem to have a talent for serves and up to a certain level players will struggle to be getting them on the table.
[Emoji2]
But from a certain level on players might miss the first one or two and then start adapting and reading it better and punish everything that's long with too little spin.
See, the serve itself should be setting up your attack. If not 3rd Ball then 5th Ball or 7th.
But if that attack is just too weak the whole good effect of your serve will be for the birds and your opponent will be attacking and you'll find yourself picking up the ball from the corner of the wall.
I'm really speaking from self experience here.
When I started playing i also had a feeble for tricky serves, but exactly what I described has happened to myself. So next thing to learn was technique and I think a good coach is the key.
That was about 32 years ago, but still i remember quite well.

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

@Carl, @Suga. K, I submit, I would be better of if I shove my attitude down my ass and get the help of a good coach. Is there like a online thing where you get to know about the coach and hire them. How does it work and what would be the average cost pro hour(Stunde)?

@Suga Is the club set up the only way to get to know the coach or some thing Ebay Kleinanzeige should work?

Thanks guys for taking time to help a poor arrogant soul.

 

[Suga D]

Well most clubs that have junior teams also have a coach, some clubs also offer coaching for adults. You should keep an eye on that, too.
Luckily the monthly price is quite affordable. The price range most clubs i know have is from around € 5,- EUR to about 20,- EUR, but those are the real big ones. The smaller ones charge around monthly 10,- EUR (at least in Rhein-Main Area).
I'm not sure what it's like in Hamburg, but i'll try to find out.
Of course you can also try to hire a coach for yourself, some might also come to you, but that's also very expensive.
There are a few TT-Schools where you can go for a weekend or during the week and either practice in a small group or you can hire a coach for one on one training. But that's also a bit more pricey. A weekend coaching session might cost around EUR 100,- sometimes they have special deals including a hotel room (in Grenzau for instance)
Some schools offer special deals at certain times, so with a bit of fortune you could also find a cheaper deal for a weekend.
And be aware some are better than others. So it's good to check recommendations.
You can find a few good schools with good coaches with a good reputation all over germany.
But the cheapest deal would be finding a club that offers adult coaching (some clubs also have discounts for students or people with low income)
or having a friend that is a coach.
I don't know what it's like in Hamburg, but I think I can find out.
You could also ask here:

http://www.contra-tt-schule.de

But since Hamburg is quite big it would help finding something close to you.

 

[Siva Schopenhauer]

Well most clubs that have junior teams also have a coach, some clubs also offer coaching for adults. You should keep an eye on that, too.
Luckily the monthly price is quite affordable. The price range most clubs i know have is from around € 5,- EUR to about 20,- EUR, but those are the real big ones. The smaller ones charge around monthly 10,- EUR (at least in Rhein-Main Area).
I'm not sure what it's like in Hamburg, but i'll try to find out.
Of course you can also try to hire a coach for yourself, some might also come to you, but that's also very expensive.
There are a few TT-Schools where you can go for a weekend or during the week and either practice in a small group or you can hire a coach for one on one training. But that's also a bit more pricey. A weekend coaching session might cost around EUR 100,- sometimes they have special deals including a hotel room (in Grenzau for instance)
Some schools offer special deals at certain times, so with a bit of fortune you could also find a cheaper deal for a weekend.
And be aware some are better than others. So it's good to check recommendations.
You can find a few good schools with good coaches with a good reputation all over germany.
But the cheapest deal would be finding a club that offers adult coaching or having a friend that is a coach.
I don't know what it's like in Hamburg, but I think I can find out.
You could also ask here:

http://www.contra-tt-schule.de

But since Hamburg is quite big it would help finding something close to you.

Thanks Suga, in the last club I payed 25 Eur for nothing cos the Coach took time off during the Winter and that's why I had to leave. I will contact Contra to see how it goes