Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[NextLevel]

I like NL's approach to getting this done with small steps of progression. It is so hard to try to do everything at once, possible, but I believe more difficult and discouraging.

Thanks. It's really in this case driven by the need to modify behavior. It is extremely hard to modify behavior that has been engrained over a lifetime of TT, talk less of a couple of years. Look at my attempts to fix my elbow position which were helpful but largely unsuccessful. So I am trying to give one path that Brett recommended that worked for me on my backspin serve at least. In the end, I think that if you want to fix a serve, you have to think of it as a new serve because trying to replace the old one will just mess up your brain and leave you stuck for a while.

 

[Der_Echte]

I really regret not being able to see both of you LIVE. Woulda been a grand sight.

 

[Archosaurus]

NL, I like your style. There is no shame in simplifying things to such a degree. I found it very, very difficult to start timing my backswing correctly on serves, because I was used to starting the backswing as I threw the ball. I had to do exactly what you're talking about, for months, to even get a semblance of a later, more whip-inducing backswing. I still do it because I haven't got it yet how I'd like.

Now, this is for me who's been playing for 2-some years. That's not that much time. OSPH's progress is fantastic considering his age and how much past action he has built in.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

NL, I like your style. There is no shame in simplifying things to such a degree. I found it very, very difficult to start timing my backswing correctly on serves, because I was used to starting the backswing as I threw the ball. I had to do exactly what you're talking about, for months, to even get a semblance of a later, more whip-inducing backswing. I still do it because I haven't got it yet how I'd like.

Now, this is for me who's been playing for 2-some years. That's not that much time. OSPH's progress is fantastic considering his age and how much past action he has built in.

Now I'm really hoping to see some of these serves.


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[NextLevel]

Now I'm really hoping to see some of these serves.


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Don't spend forever trying to get a leopard to change his spots. There is some degree of delusion tied to greatness, though such delusion without any achievement is quackery. Very thin line. In Archo's case, the line is not that thin, but I find that the delusional people really enjoy it - there are many people I know who believe they are imitating CNT technique to near perfection even though they have nothing close to the actual match results. I can be delusional sometimes too so I get it. But my opinion of Archo is pretty much cemented and is not going to change anytime soon.

 

[Archosaurus]

Carl, don't have your hopes up too high. I'm hoping that I get at least one truly heavy backspin serve on cam. I'm wholly inconsistent in producing the ones that are actually good.

I usually serve lighter spins, but short and with deception and placement instead. My semi-heavy serve is heavy enough to get pop ups on light spin. The backswing and contact isn't timed well enough that I'm always comfortable serving heavy in games.

And don't fool yourself because I wont: NL's "light" backspin serve has about as much spin as my heavy serve. That much I can see.

 

[Shuki]

don't short yourself so much arch! I bet you have heavier, more deceptive serves than any of us! No video needed, this is what I believe

 

[Archosaurus]

It's not too encouraging to get made fun of when you're trying to be humble about the one thing that you don't feel the need to be a jackoff about and have actually practice enough to know just how much you can't do.

 

[ttmonster]

I think you meant jackass , jackoff is quite another thing ... even though it might help you to get more whip on the reverse pendulum serves and backhand just don't use the shoulder too much .... , now don't get angry I am just making fun of your english .. not table tennis or its lack of evidence ....

see this is what is going on ... you are very enthusiastic about table tennis .... which we all get and its great ...

now some of the technical problems sound similar irrespective of level even though the subtlety or the difficulty of it greatly varies , to the degree its becomes quite a different animal when you are discussing the same thing at USATT 1000 level compared to 2000 level ...

another thing is that without the lack of coaching or trained eye to see your improvement , you might feel like you are improving to a degree which might not the case actually , and when this starts compounding , you feel that you are improving a lot whereas a coach can tell you whether or not you made any real progress ...

now all these guys here are trying to do, and I think some of them like Carl/OSPH have the patience to keep wanting to help, is to force you to video blog like JeffM or some other forum members, so that they can really tell you whether you are making progress or not ...

unless you figure out a way to do that most of the people here will keep taking you like an empty vessel that makes too much sound and too often to be real ... so you really have no option other than to bear with it till you change your approach ....

It's not too encouraging to get made fun of when you're trying to be humble about the one thing that you don't feel the need to be a jackoff about and have actually practice enough to know just how much you can't do.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Tonight I played one of the same LP guys I played last Thursday.

I realize, I should say, SmashFan was there and asked him his rating. He said was 1850. His main club is Westchester and I think he plays the tournaments there fairly regularly.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Here's a vid of a training match this week with a 17y old teen.

thanks

 

[Archosaurus]

@ttmonster

Hah. A "jackoff" is someone who essentially jacks themselves off when they talk about themselves or anything closely related to themselves. I'm sure you agree it'd fit me, so I used it humorously.

I get your point, however I was getting upset over the fact that I'm not even claiming to make amazing progress or much progress at all and I get talked about like that.

However, I still get your point. I really want to get better footage from a better angle with a somewhat worthy opponent for a change so I can really know if anything has changed at all. I think the forums were right in saying that nothing much had changed over half a year based on my last video. Right now I'm not so sure if that's still completely true. We will see.

@Takkyu_wa_inochi

Sweet vid. I like 11:18, because you setup the loop and successfully moved and executed several after. The blocks and drives off the bounce are really great too. Are you used to the kid's game or do you see the ball that well irregardless of who you play?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

@ttmonster

Hah. A "jackoff" is someone who essentially jacks themselves off when they talk about themselves....

If you spoke English as your first language you would know that you have just made up your own meaning for this word which is so often the problem with the way you try and write about things. We can figure out when you don't know what you are talking about.

But sure quite often you are jerking yourself off. We all do realize this is one of your major problems.


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[Archosaurus]

I was just thinking now, what's the most preferred angle to film video from if both players are not in frame?

In front of the subject, at the side of the table some distance away laterally so as to not hide any wide angles or the legs?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I was just thinking now, what's the most preferred angle to film video from if both players are not in frame?

In front of the subject, at the side of the table some distance away laterally so as to not hide any wide angles or the legs?

Almost like this, but a little more forward and less angles towards the BH side so you see more from the net to the far side of the table rather than seeing so much of the near side of the table.

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[Archosaurus]

Something like this or more back? Is it angled too much towards the FH?



Like this? Won't the cameraman be blocking the opponent's BH corner a little? Or does he stand farther forward?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Something like this or more back? Is it angled too much towards the FH?

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Definitely not like this. This angle is terrible and you won't be able to see anything. It is just as bad as the previous angles you filmed at.

Like this? Won't the cameraman be blocking the opponent's BH corner a little? Or does he stand farther forward?

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Yes, like this.

Here, old footage of my FH:

Seems to work. I only see me and I see what I am doing from pretty straight on.


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[UpSideDownCarl]

I got to train with PPH for an hour today. Good stuff. Worked on strengthening my BH opening. It went well. I can see an improvement in my consistency.

Also played a few matches and played well enough. Adjusted to some tactical mistakes I was making earlier in the matches and then really started to play well.

The matches were earlier in the day than the training with PPH.


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[NextLevel]

Archo, fwiw I perfectly understood what you meant by jackoff. Intellectual masturbators know that feeling too well. But doing it over stuff that you have lost all credibility on is dangerous.

 

[Shuki]

Friday, friend recorded me doing shadow strokes for a project so I'll link that to this post for anyone who likes to see shadow strokes.

Today: day 1 of tournament. Lost to a 2250 player named Winfred Addy in the open. in the U1900 I lost to my training partner, yes again, seems like every tournament I end up against him in an event and lose... So I ended up at 3rd place for 1900. No good wins. All matches other than training partner and the 2250 were pretty easy.

I abandoned the long pips for tournament. I didn't have the balls.