table tennis tips "Increase Spin in table tennis by Chinese coaching"

[tropical]

OK, but if you make your grip better for the forehand flip, what are you giving up? Make no mistake about this, you are trading off something, including some stability in your stroke. As for flipping short heavy serves, that is a pretty low-reliability shot for people even a lot better than 2000 unless the serve is too high.

I'm not saying your grip (and mine and other people's) can't be improved. But trust me on this, I have spent a lot of time experimenting with it (many years), and it can send you off into a tailspin where you are fumbling with your racket and simply thinking too much. Now, the idea that one should increase thumb and forefinger grip at just the right moment is not new, and it can help with some shots, you may find it extremely challenging to implement on others. Last night I asked a 2500 player what he thought about it and he just shook his head and said it is better to concentrate on your body and your feet.

I think I only talked about my wrong grip and hoped that the new grip can help in developing a forehand flip better. I didn't venture too far into how to play as table tennis as you know has so much variation in a game.

As I get older (I am 60's) I realize my speed, reaction is getting much slower. Giving me time I can execute the shot/return. But if the ball is too fast I can't react quick enough, or even if enough the touch is not there. So predicting a short, heavy serve and have a good forehand flip (I am left handed) I hope I can add another surprise factor in my game. That is all.

 

[tropical]

so is assuming you're a high level player and discrediting players that have proved themselves countless times.

is assuming? You are talking as a 3rd person here? Where did I discredit other players in my posts?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

table tennis tips "Increase Spin in table tennis by Chinese coaching"

BTW: about 4 years ago, well, time flies, maybe even 5 years ago, I started messing with my grip. I tried several different things.

I remember Michael Landers making fun of me and talking to me about how the grip should be free enough so that it switches for different shots without you trying, thinking about it, or realizing it happens.

At some point, when I did settle on "a grip" that works for me and had been doing it for a couple of years, I was asked if I switch my grip. My first thought and answer was, "no, not really." Then I realized that, when I change the angle of my wrist for BH and FH, my grip actually does shift without me even realizing it.

When NextLevel and I met the first time, he noticed my grip was a little rigid and tight. And that this kept me from being able to contact different parts of the ball for different shots and facing different spins. And that this made my FH weak at receiving certain serves.

When I worked on contacting the inside of the ball for down the line shots with a slight fade spin, my grip relaxed and, without realizing it, I started adjusting my grip for different shots to a larger extent.

None of this happened because I thought about switching my grip. But if did happen because of working on specific shots.

Anyway, most of these kinds of things happen naturally once they have been trained into the body.

And the extra pressure on contact, I actually always felt it as digging into the ball while the rubber is grabbing the ball while you loop. And Damien's sound "ptah" like the Egyptian god, Ptah, gets at the feeling too.

So, my guess is, there are people doing this without even realizing it. And that is actually kind of fine.


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[tropical]

I completely agree with you, Carl.

 

[Archosaurus]

I'm really not high level enough to even benefit from most if not any of this grip changing stuff, but I've found that I pick up a pretty good grip for different shots if I just focus on the quality. I find it hard if not impossible to properly play with just one exact same grip without small changes. They happen by themselves, and don't need any attention.

 

[Shuki]

is assuming? You are talking as a 3rd person here? Where did I discredit other players in my posts?

yup, sorry to bother you. (insert better apology here)

 

[Baal]

I think I only talked about my wrong grip and hoped that the new grip can help in developing a forehand flip better. I didn't venture too far into how to play as table tennis as you know has so much variation in a game.

As I get older (I am 60's) I realize my speed, reaction is getting much slower. Giving me time I can execute the shot/return. But if the ball is too fast I can't react quick enough, or even if enough the touch is not there. So predicting a short, heavy serve and have a good forehand flip (I am left handed) I hope I can add another surprise factor in my game. That is all.

I guess all I am saying is that you can't really evaluate if your grip is "wrong" without taking some time to see how it affects your whole game. BUT, that evaluation time can be kind of frustrating if by thinking about it too much you end up having other issues.

 

[tropical]

I guess all I am saying is that you can't really evaluate if your grip is "wrong" without taking some time to see how it affects your whole game. BUT, that evaluation time can be kind of frustrating if by thinking about it too much you end up having other issues.

I am evaluating this new grip because from servicing point of view I have to change grip in order to have a good pendulum or reversed pendulum serve. So I think receiving is the same, by changing grip it may add another flavor in my game. And I can quickly change back to my original grip without affecting my game plan. This is actually the least issue to come up with.

Then after doing such and find (possibly) the new grip is effective I can apply it in my game. If the rally is long and slow enough I can change grip to give a stronger and spinier loop. Hey, for long pip players we flip all the time. Of course it affects the game but that is why the game is fun.

 

[Der_Echte]

I have a modified thumb and finger grip for serve, and a trigger finger grip. Both work wekk and allow wrist well. I have a thumb/finger grip on a slow Bh loop and a tight high thumb on a powerful BH loop, my FH grip drifts different on a spinny opener vs underspin and a different grip for incoming topspin. I DO loosen at impact and side to corkscrew spin a ball away, or I tighten real hard right at impact for max power.

I drifted into this way and wasn't influenced by a vid. I woulda sworn I am consistent on grip in play, but video doesn't lie. Der_Echte has sum extreme ways.

 

[Der_Echte]

Tropical, if you show up at swan around 4 or 5 pm this Saturday, start suddenly talking about oranges so I know who U is.

 

[tropical]

I'll try. Now-a-day I rarely play game as my back hurts due to a slipped disc. But if I go there I will play a match with you.

 

[Der_Echte]

big OUCH. You don't have to play vs me, just setup a winning Chicken and Beer bet against someone you want to go down.

 

[tropical]

big OUCH. You don't have to play vs me, just setup a winning Chicken and Beer bet against someone you want to go down.

Ha ha I'll bet against ttmonster.

 

[Der_Echte]

Bet against TT Monster vs the young dude with the flashy strokes and you might lose Ur money, monster got a solid continuous attacking and defensive counter attacking game.

You wont get monster to take a bet vs me, but he is game to the end.

Carl said earlier in the thread that I was taking it easy, but I wasn't, I had to earn my points.

 

[vik]

Guy closed his youtube channel.What do you think about it?

 

[NextLevel]

Guy closed his youtube channel.What do you think about it?

Without any knowledge of why, I won't speculate too strongly but the issues we raised in light of many things he wrote and said were genuine ones and he had many videos that featured him criticizing people I am 100% sure were never asked for permission before he used their video. And of course maybe he preferred to keep his privacy and that is reasonable too.

 

[Baal]

He is busy making videos for China called "The Secrets of France". Never before heard secrets ONLY known by French wise men. The first one will be that you can cook with wine.

 

[SchemeSC]

Maybe it was the random amateur that he used to compare to Ma Long that reported him? Or the hot girl that he uses as his profile picture?

The world will never know.

 

[NextLevel]

Maybe it was the random amateur that he used to compare to Ma Long that reported him? Or the hot girl that he uses as his profile picture?

The world will never know.

My guess is the former. That people didn't immediately smell an EM-rat after seeing that makes my head shake. All in the name of Chinese secrets.

 

[SchemeSC]

Acccording to his Facebook page, EmRat's site was indeed terminated by Youtube. He is claiming that this is a glitch, however, and that the same thing has happened to many other innocent YT users. He's going to continue to share his videos on his Facebook account.