26th Asian Table Tennis Championship

[mihalichtheone]

It's like we're living in 1980s where high speed cameras don't exist...one doesn't even need to store all the data from the camera, just last 1-2 minutes of video recording.

These don't even need to be high frame rate, any modern smartphone camera with 60 fps is enough.

Put 2 cameras on 2 adjacent sides of the court and then watch a goddamn replay if needed.

Umpires sitting on the SIDES can't see and therefore can't judge whether ball hit the side or the top of the table.

I say: this is just unacceptable for professional sport events and the organization is to be blamed, not the players.

 

[latej]

It's like we're living in 1980s where high speed cameras don't exist...one doesn't even need to store all the data from the camera, just last 1-2 minutes of video recording.

These don't even need to be high frame rate, any modern smartphone camera with 60 fps is enough.

Put 2 cameras on 2 adjacent sides of the court and then watch a goddamn replay if needed.

Umpires sitting on the SIDES can't see and therefore can't judge whether ball hit the side or the top of the table.

I say: this is just unacceptable for professional sport events and the organization is to be blamed, not the players.

I agree with all you said about the cameras and technology. I can't agree with the last sentence. It's not that I blame or judge anyone, I simply have my opinion. And I'm very glad Chuang won.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

looks to me the ball is out by quite so margin, so no edges or side at all ?

 

[mihalichtheone]

I agree with all you said about the cameras and technology. I can't agree with the last sentence. It's not that I blame or judge anyone, I simply have my opinion. And I'm very glad Chuang won.

Not sure who (not ITTF, really?), should be responsible of making table tennis games, especially professional ones, more transparent in terms of rules and judgements in case of disputable situations.

But this goes off topic.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Not sure if you guys saw the subtitles

The assistant umpire told Chuang it touched the sides.
So the assistant umpire has confirmed the ball hit the table

Chuang is arguing that he was inside the table - meaning, there is no ways his shot would hit the side of the table.
It was not a curve shot/ball, so from inside of the table, for it to hit the table, could only be the edge.

Obviously the umpires eyes saw something different and possibly saw a curve ball that when from inside the table, curve past the net and swing back in to hit the sides. Or they saw Chuang standing far outside his backhand corner and went from outside the table to side. Either way, I would like eye test reports from the assistant umpire.

If they had replays, then they could see where Chuang was standing and that the ball was not curving at all and since assistant confirmed a touch, then it should be a no brainer.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Yes i did see the video and Subtitles.

Tbh the umpire might have forgotten already what she saw and said what was on her mind when pressured to answer even if it doesn’t make logic

The main take is that she judged the ball false whether she thought it was out or side is secondary once judgment is made

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yes i did see the video and Subtitles.

Tbh the umpire might have forgotten already what she saw and said what was on her mind when pressured to answer even if it doesn’t make logic

The main take is that she judged the ball false whether she thought it was out or side is secondary once judgment is made

well, then other than eye problem? there is a potential memory problem?
and thirdly, the most important one, a judgment problem....

Players looses, there will be repercussions.
Media, fans, world ranking, sponsorships, prize money/money and what not.

umpires makes a damaging mistake, won't get the blunt like in the football world.

I sometimes wish that the media can ask the referee/umpire team for a press briefing and for the media team to demand answers. This culture is not in table tennis, and terrible mistakes over time have really just been swept under the carpet.

if you recap, the ball touch something, Chuang said edge and assistant umpire said side.
So during the first instance, there was 2 acknowledge of contact.
Iranian player no though, main umpire - not sure what he did during those 5 mins....

So I don't think it is a memory issue, it was all a judgment issue

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Kao nearly did it
he had a 4-1 lead in the 5th and Fan took a 9-2 stretch.

This is Kao's first year playing seniors and at 18, he is showing true potential

Lin took first game over Fan....
China already lost 3 games in this final

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

Why can't we see the live video stream ??? grrrrrr....
even the live board, i can see it live only on my mobile phone. can't see it on my PC web browser.

its all fucked up

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Fan just made 4 service return errors on the trot
behind 2-8 in the 4th

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

okay, so its 2-2

Game 2, Lin was up all the time, until when he got 8 and allowed Fan to pass and take it 11-8
Game 3 was a 12-10 to Fan
Lin took Game 4, 11-5

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

A pity
5th Lin lost 10-12

He had leads of 2 to 3 points throughout the 5th, and 2 match points at 10-8

 

[zeio]

Uda is not the answer either, they just have to un-retire Mizutani and invest in Matsushima.

Mizutani: If XX were still playing... LOL

2023 alone is too small a data point to project how Matsushima will fare in senior events, given that Shinozuka, Togami and Uda had good win rates in 2022 (76.92%), 2021 (76.92%) and 2020 (15/20=75%), respectively. When given the chance, Uda has converted his potential into results by reaching the SF at Singapore Smash 2022 (3-2 Boll and 2-4 FZD) and finishing 4th at Asian Cup 2022.

In terms of All-Japan TTC, Uda is arguably more impressive than Matsushima, even after accounting for the age difference. Both never won the JB event but had reached the final. Uda has won the MS and MD events. The best Matsushima has done is MS R16 and R32 in 2022 and 2023 and MD F in 2023. Yes, he just turned 16 this April, but his opposition is also not as strong.

But yeah, it's better to have Matsushima as another option.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1144117&title=attc-2023#1144117
23WK33
MS

https://www.japantabletennis.com/AJ/result2022/viewList.cgi?name=%B1%A7%C5%C4+%B9%AC%CC%F0
All-Japan TTC
2018
JB F Uda 0-3 Harimoto (-9, -9, -9)
2019
JB F Uda 2-3 Togami (6, 7, -7, -8, -3)
2020
MS R32 Uda 4-3 TAKAMI Masaki (4, 7, -8, 9, -9, -13, 8)
MS R16 Uda 4-1 YOSHIDA Kaii (6, 11, -6, 4, 9)
MS QF Uda 4-2 YOSHIMURA Kazuki (8, 7, 10, -4, -8, 3)
MS SF Uda 4-2 YOSHIDA Masaki (-8, 6, 8, -9, 10, 9)
MS F Uda 4-3 Harimoto (11, 9, -8, 10, -11, -6, 9)
2022
MD F Uda/Togami 3-2 Harimoto/Morizono (-8, -12, 5, 6, 7)
XD SF Uda/Kihara 1-3 Harimoto/Hayata (-5, -8, 8, -9)

https://www.japantabletennis.com/AJ/result2022/viewList.cgi?name=%BE%BE%C5%E7+%B5%B1%B6%F5
All-Japan TTC
2020
JB F Matsushima 1-3 YOSHIYAMA Ryoichi (8, -11, -5, -7)
2021
JB QF Matsushima 2-3 Shinozuka (-5, 8, 7, -7, -4)
2022
MS R16 Matsushima 2-4 YOSHIDA Masaki (10, -10, -4, 6, -9, -12)
JB F Matsushima 0-3 YOSHIYAMA Ryoichi (-6, -8, -4)
2023
MS R32 Matsushima 2-4 Tanaka (-7, 8, -7, 9, -6, -9)
MD R16 Oikawa/Matsushima 3-1 Uda/Togami (3, 12, -8, 6)
MD F Oikawa/Matsushima 1-3 Harimoto/Morizono (-10, 11, -12, -7)
XD R16 Matsushima/Harimoto 1-3 ONODERA Shohei/EDAHIRO Madoka (5, -2, -7, -10)
JB F Matsushima 2-3 HAGIWARA Keishi (-6, 7, -10, 6, -10)

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

 

[NextLevel]

Mizutani: If XX were still playing... LOL

2023 alone is too small a data point to project how Matsushima will fare in senior events, given that Shinozuka, Togami and Uda had good win rates in 2022 (76.92%), 2021 (76.92%) and 2020 (15/20=75%), respectively. When given the chance, Uda has converted his potential into results by reaching the SF at Singapore Smash 2022 (3-2 Boll and 2-4 FZD) and finishing 4th at Asian Cup 2022.

In terms of All-Japan TTC, Uda is arguably more impressive than Matsushima, even after accounting for the age difference. Both never won the JB event but had reached the final. Uda has won the MS and MD events. The best Matsushima has done is MS R16 and R32 in 2022 and 2023 and MD F in 2023. Yes, he just turned 16 this April, but his opposition is also not as strong.

But yeah, it's better to have Matsushima as another option.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91479&PID=1144117&title=attc-2023#1144117
23WK33
MS

https://www.japantabletennis.com/AJ/result2022/viewList.cgi?name=%B1%A7%C5%C4+%B9%AC%CC%F0
All-Japan TTC
2018
JB F Uda 0-3 Harimoto (-9, -9, -9)
2019
JB F Uda 2-3 Togami (6, 7, -7, -8, -3)
2020
MS R32 Uda 4-3 TAKAMI Masaki (4, 7, -8, 9, -9, -13, 8)
MS R16 Uda 4-1 YOSHIDA Kaii (6, 11, -6, 4, 9)
MS QF Uda 4-2 YOSHIMURA Kazuki (8, 7, 10, -4, -8, 3)
MS SF Uda 4-2 YOSHIDA Masaki (-8, 6, 8, -9, 10, 9)
MS F Uda 4-3 Harimoto (11, 9, -8, 10, -11, -6, 9)
2022
MD F Uda/Togami 3-2 Harimoto/Morizono (-8, -12, 5, 6, 7)
XD SF Uda/Kihara 1-3 Harimoto/Hayata (-5, -8, 8, -9)

https://www.japantabletennis.com/AJ/result2022/viewList.cgi?name=%BE%BE%C5%E7+%B5%B1%B6%F5
All-Japan TTC
2020
JB F Matsushima 1-3 YOSHIYAMA Ryoichi (8, -11, -5, -7)
2021
JB QF Matsushima 2-3 Shinozuka (-5, 8, 7, -7, -4)
2022
MS R16 Matsushima 2-4 YOSHIDA Masaki (10, -10, -4, 6, -9, -12)
JB F Matsushima 0-3 YOSHIYAMA Ryoichi (-6, -8, -4)
2023
MS R32 Matsushima 2-4 Tanaka (-7, 8, -7, 9, -6, -9)
MD R16 Oikawa/Matsushima 3-1 Uda/Togami (3, 12, -8, 6)
MD F Oikawa/Matsushima 1-3 Harimoto/Morizono (-10, 11, -12, -7)
XD R16 Matsushima/Harimoto 1-3 ONODERA Shohei/EDAHIRO Madoka (5, -2, -7, -10)
JB F Matsushima 2-3 HAGIWARA Keishi (-6, 7, -10, 6, -10)

If we are taking these arguments clearly made in jest seriously, the Matsushima losses are all clearly to much older players, it is a bit weird to normalize them with arguments. Matsushima had competed favorably with Lebrun at the U15 level. Of course he might not meet the ridiculous standard of beating China, but he is going to be a good player.

What they really need is the return of Mizutani.

 

[bachikho]

what's the score between taipei and japan?

 

[NextLevel]

what's the score between taipei and japan?

3‐0 (3‐2, 3‐2, 3‐0)

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/26th-asian-table-tennis-championship.31859/post-422793

Sorry I thought you said China and Taipei, I misread. Not sure if or when that match will be played.

 

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