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Apologies then.
I feel mid30s is too old to strat, well initially, since the players I see are younger and faster. People older than me,there are a lot, but they have been playing continuously since they are in their 20s.

Would you recommend any? for someone new to sport after 12yrs since past time playingof table tennis
I began TT in my 40s and made it to a level maybe 10% or less get to... so it is entirely possible to play to a level that only 30% make.... and I suspect your C+ level is a level 80% of players make.

Certainly possible, even if starting out from zero.
 
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Isn't stiga infinity (tho a 5ply) is a fast blade? maybe faster than tibhar SPW And the M1 is a tensor and fast for someone re-entering the sport again
It's not that fast, I've played it with rakza 7 from a friend and it's a lot slower than my stiga intensity. It's medium fast, a nice soft blade with good vibration.
 
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Any of the blades can be good? How about rubbers?



I see you are from the same counry. Will check recommendation, as I do not know where to start or cost. OR what quality is really good.


I may take a look at Tibhar Stratus powerwood and yasaka extra offensive, but I think butterfly is costly for such a beginner like myself.




thank you for all your response.! I hope to receive more recommendation and suggestions. thanks!
I have ma lin extra and it's fast and very hard, do not recommend it under any circumstances for a player re entering. Ma lin carbon is slower, and stratus powerwood is just a rocket, also very bad choice...
 
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I have a dirty secret/ shortcut for you. Since you don't really play BH topspin - there is no point going for inverted rubbers. Put some deceptive long pips on BH (the ideal chopblocking rubber there is) and you would have solved serve receive without needing to acquire serve spin reading skills lol. Just sideswipe and chopblock everything to oblivion, then finish the ball with your FH. Easy non physical way to play. If you have a strong FH serve, FH attack and BH LP defence you will leapfrog in level real fast even over players who have played for decades - they will hate you but you'll be winning so you can just torture them with your long pips and enjoy!

Just buy some Dawei 388d-2 without sponge and put in on your BH - on FH just use any of your existing inverted rubbers.

For fun, I put one on my 7 ply wood blade and I was already doing quite decent with my left hand playing it within just a few sessions. It is not that difficult compared to trying to rebuild a BH topspin from scratch. Now that is a huge undertaking!
I can this instead - to shortcut my progress? This will differ my strokes as well correct
 
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I can this instead - to shortcut my progress? This will differ my strokes as well correct
It's easy. Just do chopblock against topspin and sideswipe against everything else and you'll be fine.
 
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As the moment, narrowing down on the list (from response and pm), but please feel free to recommend or confirm on the best to use for re-entering the sport.

blade (5ply):
1. sitga OC
2. stiga infinivty vps v
3. tibhar stratus powerwood
4. butterfly petr korbel
5. butterfly primorac
5. yinhe n11s

blade (7ply):
1. yinhe U2
2. dhs pg7
3. dhs pg9
4. yasaka ma lin extra offensive
5. yasaka ma lin carbon
6. yinhe pd437
7. stiga clipper

Rubbers:
1. butterfly rozena
2. donic baracuda
3. donic bluefire m1
4. donic bluefire m2
5. yinhe earth 2
6. yasaka mark V XS
7. yasaka mark V HPS
8. dhs tin arc 3

thanks in advance!
 
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I recommend the Yasaka Sweden Extra and XIOM Vega Intro. BTY Petr Korbel will probably work great but it is a bit more advanced. I have one coming in to me so I'll know how it compares. From my personal experience I don't recommend the Tibhar stratus powerwood. It is way too fast for how flexible it is relatively making it a bit hard to control hard hits. I'm probably going to sell mine one of these days. Don't waste your money on Rozena unless you want the bling and can afford it. Forget about Mark V, it is a 50 year old rubber whose glory days are long gone and is unsuitable for the modern offensive game and plastic ball despite how Mark V cultists try to brainwash newbies into trying it.
 
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As the moment, narrowing down on the list (from response and pm), but please feel free to recommend or confirm on the best to use for re-entering the sport.

blade (5ply):
1. sitga OC
2. stiga infinivty vps v
3. tibhar stratus powerwood
4. butterfly petr korbel
5. butterfly primorac
5. yinhe n11s

blade (7ply):
1. yinhe U2
2. dhs pg7
3. dhs pg9
4. yasaka ma lin extra offensive
5. yasaka ma lin carbon
6. yinhe pd437
7. stiga clipper

Rubbers:
1. butterfly rozena
2. donic baracuda
3. donic bluefire m1
4. donic bluefire m2
5. yinhe earth 2
6. yasaka mark V XS
7. yasaka mark V HPS
8. dhs tin arc 3

thanks in advance!

Are you to purchase both 5ply and 7ply blaces??

If you are re-entering, (own opinion) from the rubber list, only donic baracuda, yinhe earth 2 and dhs tin arc 3 are applicable - control rubbers, but baracuda has control, spin and speed - so better go baracuda
 
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Are you to purchase both 5ply and 7ply blaces??

If you are re-entering, (own opinion) from the rubber list, only donic baracuda, yinhe earth 2 and dhs tin arc 3 are applicable - control rubbers, but baracuda has control, spin and speed - so better go baracuda
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I recommend the Yasaka Sweden Extra and XIOM Vega Intro. BTY Petr Korbel will probably work great but it is a bit more advanced. I have one coming in to me so I'll know how it compares. From my personal experience I don't recommend the Tibhar stratus powerwood. It is way too fast for how flexible it is relatively making it a bit hard to control hard hits. I'm probably going to sell mine one of these days. Don't waste your money on Rozena unless you want the bling and can afford it. Forget about Mark V, it is a 50 year old rubber whose glory days are long gone and is unsuitable for the modern offensive game and plastic ball despite how Mark V cultists try to brainwash newbies into trying it.
do you have alternative for yasaka sweden extra?
I do not see in my local stores. And isnt Xiom ve g intro a tensor rubber?
 
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As the moment, narrowing down on the list (from response and pm), but please feel free to recommend or confirm on the best to use for re-entering the sport.

blade (5ply):
1. sitga OC
2. stiga infinivty vps v
3. tibhar stratus powerwood
4. butterfly petr korbel
5. butterfly primorac
5. yinhe n11s

blade (7ply):
1. yinhe U2
2. dhs pg7
3. dhs pg9
4. yasaka ma lin extra offensive
5. yasaka ma lin carbon
6. yinhe pd437
7. stiga clipper

Rubbers:
1. butterfly rozena
2. donic baracuda
3. donic bluefire m1
4. donic bluefire m2
5. yinhe earth 2
6. yasaka mark V XS
7. yasaka mark V HPS
8. dhs tin arc 3

thanks in advance!
Hi. Yes I was planning to buy a 5ply blade and a 7ply blade.

Will it be functional ot have both? or just a waste, and go straight to 7ply? I am a returning to sport for 12yrs stop
 
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Hi. Yes I was planning to buy a 5ply blade and a 7ply blade.

Will it be functional ot have both? or just a waste, and go straight to 7ply? I am a returning to sport for 12yrs stop
I would say do not worry too much about which exact blade. Get something all wood in ALL+ to OFF range with a handle you like (or grip tape it to shape you like)... and slap on modern dynamic offensive control oriented soft rubbers or older gen control oriented offensive rubbers and go back to battle.

The setup in my sig can be played by both beginners and advnaced players well. I paid blademaker @CCBladecraft $20 to make some fatter handles for my Donic Persson Power Play (a $27 USD blade after discount from tabletennis11.com)... I use Aurus and Aurus soft for my rubbers - they last forever and I can do everything well with them.

My total setup cost is around the price of one sheet or premium rubber.

Blade $47 (27 +20)
Rubbers $29 each

Total - $105 with custom handles - $85 without them.
 
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Hi. Yes I was planning to buy a 5ply blade and a 7ply blade.

Will it be functional ot have both? or just a waste, and go straight to 7ply? I am a returning to sport for 12yrs stop
Since you are a returning, maybe you can start at 7ply wood. clipper, pd437 or samso force pro black. No need to get 5ply anymore.
for rubber s try some Chinese/Chinese rubber to familiarize full stroke again
 
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I would say do not worry too much about which exact blade. Get something all wood in ALL+ to OFF range with a handle you like (or grip tape it to shape you like)... and slap on modern dynamic offensive control oriented soft rubbers or older gen control oriented offensive rubbers and go back to battle.

The setup in my sig can be played by both beginners and advnaced players well. I paid blademaker @CCBladecraft $20 to make some fatter handles for my Donic Persson Power Play (a $27 USD blade after discount from tabletennis11.com)... I use Aurus and Aurus soft for my rubbers - they last forever and I can do everything well with them.

My total setup cost is around the price of one sheet or premium rubber.

Blade $47 (27 +20)
Rubbers $29 each

Total - $105 with custom handles - $85 without them.

Thanks!
Will try whatever blade I feel comfortable. But do you have any recommendation for chinese medium or medium-soft rubbers? (FH/BH)
 
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A 5 ply or 7 Ply from SDC,Nittaku Factive for Bh and Butterfly Glayzer for FH.
This setup is maybe for Intermedia Players,but will motivate you to go hard in Training or competition,and will be playable even if you reach higher levels.
In the beginning you maybe get frustrated or overwhelmed,but hat hppens with a YSE with2 Mark V also.
It will also be pricey at about 150$,but you will be good to go with this setup for 5 Years.
 
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Will try whatever blade I feel comfortable. But do you have any recommendation for chinese medium or medium-soft rubbers? (FH/BH)
The only non-H3 rubber i tried not named H3 that felt worth half a shyt was Yinhe Jupiter. Decent pace and control for a cheep rubber.

The rubbers I use cost me $27 USD each and last forever, like for MONTHS, they are easily a value. I could play 3x a week and they could last literally the entire year. That is a very low expense for a TT player playing that frequency.
 
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The only non-H3 rubber i tried not named H3 that felt worth half a shyt was Yinhe Jupiter. Decent pace and control for a cheep rubber.

The rubbers I use cost me $27 USD each and last forever, like for MONTHS, they are easily a value. I could play 3x a week and they could last literally the entire year. That is a very low expense for a TT player playing that frequency.

thanks! I might try this. As in chinese rubbers are more accessible and lower cost rubber.
 
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You may buy a Sanwei Fextra 7 on AliEx for under $20 to get an idea of a 7-ply blade. It's a really good blade and if you slap Rakza 7 or X on it, it's quite a weapon with a great feel. You'll see if you're able control it, or it's too fast for you at this stage.
 
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Hi, kabayan! I'm in a similar situation. I took up the sport in high school as a garage player, took a PE class in college, played very few casual games after that and stopped playing altogether for 12 years or so. If you are located in NCR, most Ayala Malls (Cloverleaf, 30th, Manila Bay) have courts and they offer coaching sessions as well. I've taken a couple of sessions and enjoying it so far. I haven't met the playgroup in Ayala Malls 30th but from the group's GC they seem to be welcoming and fun. I just wanted to play again casually but I also want to do it properly. If I get good enough to enter tournaments that's just a bonus. I'm nowhere near good but I enjoy the experience of learning and developing. If you're near the Metro, maybe we can practice together as well, if you're interested.

BTW, I'm using Yasaka Sweden Classic and Xiom Vega Europe on both sides and it has the right amount of speed and control for a returning player like me. You might want to consider this setup as well. I ordered everything on tabletennis11 although the minimum purchase there is $109. There are a lot of local sellers as well and Lazada and Shopee are also an option.

Good luck on your journey! More people playing is always good for the sport.
There are other places where you can play of course, outside of the ayala malls ones. But they're the ones with the most available coaches.

Yes to TT11 for everything if you can get it to be over 110 usd. You won't get much of a discount here.
 
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BTW, I'm using Yasaka Sweden Classic and Xiom Vega Europe on both sides and it has the right amount of speed and control for a returning player like me. You might want to consider this setup as well.

That is a great setup. That would be perfect for OP as well.

There are lots of recommendations on this thread. Some better than others. Der_Echte's recommendations are also top flight.

In the end, what you want is a setup that allows you to have control on all basic strokes. Not too fast. Not too slow. And something that will allow you to spin the ball well and help you learn to improve your ability to generate increasing amounts of spin on your offensive topspin strokes. There are lots of ways to go with this.

I am going to add two pieces of information before I start listing things a few things that would be good. I am not a Butterfly fan. I don't love the company and the equipment I am using, none of it is Butterfly. But, I want to give them their due as well. The all wood blades.....they are not better or worse than any of the others. The feeling is good but may be a little duller than some of the other brands. But I am going to give the information on what they do that is good. Butterfly's blades are more durable and stand up to more external force than other brands. They will not break at the handle as easily. They will not unglue or delaminate as easily. There is less need to seal the blades because of how solid the blades are. If you bang the tip or side of the blade into the edge of the table (happens all the time) they will sustain notably less damage than almost any other brand.

If this is not important to you, other brands may FEEL BETTER, even if they are more easily damaged (in fact, they may feel better precisely for the same reasons they are more easily damaged: the factors that makes them crisper and have clearer ball feeling are also what make them easier to break: the wood density).

Now I will say the same thing about the rubbers. There are other rubbers that, for the first 3-4 weeks of play, may perform as well or better than Butterfly rubbers. But often Butterfly rubbers don't begin to downgrade and feel less good, less alive, more dead, for months after some of those other rubbers already feel like they are lifeless and that it is time for new rubbers. So, if Der says there is a rubber he could use for 1 year, if you gave him a Butterfly equivalent (which he won't buy himself - he and I agree on many things) it could last him 3-4 years and he would be saying it still felt like new. :) hahahaha.

So, if durability in blades or rubbers is an issue for you, even though Butterfly products cost more initially, in the long run, they can save some players money in the long run because of how durable what Butterfly makes turns out to be.

I am okay with buying new rubbers when I want them. So, I don't care about this. My OSP Vituoso Plus is more duable than any other blade I have used and I have done some serious slamming into tables with it where I dented the table and the blade showed hardly any damage. I don't know if any other OSP blade will be like that, but my V+ is a tank. :)

One more set of details: people seem to think 7 ply blades are faster than 5 ply blades. It is true and it is not true. 7 ply blades are stiffer than 5 ply blades because of the extra plies with grain changing directions: that makes the blade stiffer.

So, if you had a 7 ply blade and a 5 ply blade with the same wood plies and the same thickness and weight, the same head size and basic construction, the 7 ply blade would be stiffer. That means it would be better for direct hits than the 5 ply blade but it would be worse for spinning the ball. You can do either with either. But....Stiffer is better for hitting flat. A little extra flex lets you generate a little more spin but is not as good for direct impact.

Also worth noting: if you had a 5 ply and a 7 ply of the same thickness and weight made with the same basic wood construction, and head size, THE 5 PLY BLADE WOULD BE FASTER. Let me write that again: the five ply blade would be faster. If you had a 3 ply blade that was the same basic wood, head size, construction, thickness, weight, IT WOULD BE FASTER THAN THE 5 PLY. It would also have more flex. If you had a 1 ply: it would be faster than any of them (just much easier to break; which is why usually 1 plies are 9mm thick or thicker).

But the reason people associate 7 ply blade as faster is because they are stiffer and usually they are thicker and heavier.

Now that you have that information, you get to choose if you want stiffer or more flex.

Blades that may be good for you:

1) Butterfly Petr Korbel
2) Butterfly Primorac Off- (5 ply wood)
3) Tibhar Stratus Power Wood
4) Nittaku Acoustic
5) Xiom Offensive S
6) Yasaka Sweden Extra
7) Stiga Allround Evolution
8) Stiga Offensive Classic
9) Stiga Clipper (this is a 7 ply; the others are 5 ply)

There are a host of others. But I listed a bunch of 5 ply blades that would be good. I listed one 7 ply blade that would be fine. There are others. I like that one better than most of the others. But there are others. I could list OSP Virtuoso - and Virtuoso + as well. But.....like the Nittaku Acoustic it is more expensive than most of the other blades on that list.

Rubbers:

If you are used to Chinese rubbers already, there are tons. I am not going to list them. If you are starting out being used to European or Japanese rubbers (rubbers with springier sponge) it is, for a few weeks to months, a hard transition for some from springier sponge to Chinese rubbers. But, it is a choice that many find worth while. So, it is a choice. These are rubbers that are in the catapult sponge category that are easy enough to control and will help you improve your spin and your strokes.

1) Xiom Vega Europe and/or Pro
2) Tibhar Aurus (regular and/or soft)
3) Tibhar Evolution FXP
4) Of the Butterfly rubbers, I actually think Tenergy 05FX may fall into this category for some.
5) The other usual suspect Butterfly rubbers like Rozen and Glazer might be fine choices as well.

This is nowhere near an exhaustive list. And every major TT company makes good rubbers that are in that control category that would likely be excellent for you.

In the end, if you have enough information to make an intelligent choice, after that, all you have to do is get a dart board, make cue cards with the names of all the blades that fit your needs, put the cue cards on the dart board, get someone drunk, blindfold them, spin them around a few times, point them towards the dart board, and then have them throw darts until a dart hits the cue card for one of the blades.

After the blade is chosen, then follow the same procedure for the rubbers. :)

Sometimes we do too much thinking on this subject. If you have the important information and get something that falls into the category where it is not too fast or too slow (blade or rubbers) and it will help you generate spin but won't cause you to feel like you have no control when you are facing heavy or complex incoming spin, then IT WILL BE A GOOD CHOICE.

Hopefully this helps and gives you a broader overview of what you are looking for.
 
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