Is WCQ the best counter-looper in the world?

[blahness]

Best counterlooper in the world is no doubt Ma Long, because he has imo the most precise spin and placement reads in the world. He destroyed FZD (who has one of the highest quality opening topspins) with this shot in many occasions.

 

[JustANoob]

Harimoto catching all the shots in this thread unlike his game.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Best counterlooper in the world is no doubt Ma Long, because he has imo the most precise spin and placement reads in the world. He destroyed FZD (who has one of the highest quality opening topspins) with this shot in many occasions.

Does Ma Long do it on bh though?

I feel wcq does it well from both sides.

 

[Robin0910]

Does Ma Long do it on bh though?

I feel wcq does it well from both sides.

Watch the match between him and Wang Chuqin 2024 World cup and you’ll see that he does

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

However I personally think he has the best third ball forehand in the world currently

honest question - does this best 3rd ball has anything to do with the best illegal serve too?

 

[NextLevel]

How can this be a debate with anyone who has watched Fan Zhendong over the last decade?

 

[TackyForehand]

The match against LSD really took a toll on Harimoto.

 

[Attitude]

How can this be a debate with anyone who has watched Fan Zhendong over the last decade?

Well simply because he always stood in Ma Longs shadow and will always be because he will never be able to defeat him in his prime.

But TB actually included the bh here.
While wcq never really counterloops with his bh, FZD and LS actually do exactly that.
And that however opens up the debate again and brings back my original question. How do you define that stupid thread-question?

If you put everything together i would pick probably fzd as well. But im a fucking fzd fanboy so ignore me 🤣

 

[TensorBackhand]

Well simply because he always stood in Ma Longs shadow and will always be because he will never be able to defeat him in his prime.

But TB actually included the bh here.
While wcq never really counterloops with his bh, FZD and LS actually do exactly that.
And that however opens up the debate again and brings back my original question. How do you define that stupid thread-question?

If you put everything together i would pick probably fzd as well. But im a fucking fzd fanboy so ignore me 🤣

Well there is no definitive scientific answer. I felt WCQ did 5 points well.

If you feel FZD does better overall, that is fair. I wouldn't disagree, except that WCQ was so utterly dominant with his counterloop that it left a strong impression.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

best counter-looper?

Hold my beer, Bub!

 

[NextLevel]

Well simply because he always stood in Ma Longs shadow and will always be because he will never be able to defeat him in his prime.

But TB actually included the bh here.
While wcq never really counterloops with his bh, FZD and LS actually do exactly that.
And that however opens up the debate again and brings back my original question. How do you define that stupid thread-question?

If you put everything together i would pick probably fzd as well. But im a fucking fzd fanboy so ignore me 🤣

But losing to Ma Long was not a counterlooping issue. It was a mental and point construction issue. I suspect if Ma Long wasn't Fan's teammate and coaching was permitted, he would have fixed that record easily.

FZd is still the best player i have ever seen at repeatedly pushing long and mastering the opponent in the rally.

 

[blahness]

Best counterlooper for BH is Fan Zhendong - also imo he has the best overall BH too. Imo WCQ is not even close - many of his BH counters are actually risky abbreviated strokes more like punches which is why when he is not on point he can miss a lot of those. FZD's BH counterloops are full blown ones with tremendous amount of speed, spin and safety.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

How can this be a debate with anyone who has watched Fan Zhendong over the last decade?

because that match was between WCQ and 1800 player
tomorrow when TB sees FZD's match, he will post another thread about him

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

best counter-looper?
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Hold my beer, Bub!

have to agree, one player doesn't fear forehand topspin and will counter loop back is Mr Aruna

 

[chrizzy]

.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

have to agree, one player doesn't fear forehand topspin and will counter loop back is Mr Aruna

That is Mr Aruna Sir to you.

 

[Dr Evil]

Best backhand counterlooper is Liang Jingkun. Even better than FZD, which is why he occasionally beats FZD.

 

[chrizzy]

nah, hes inconsistent..

 

[longle]

Best counterlooper for BH is Fan Zhendong - also imo he has the best overall BH too. Imo WCQ is not even close - many of his BH counters are actually risky abbreviated strokes more like punches which is why when he is not on point he can miss a lot of those. FZD's BH counterloops are full blown ones with tremendous amount of speed, spin and safety.

I watched the match in Singapore Smash 2023 and can see that FZD has a more completed BH

 

[mcfly]

imo this imo that
this thread is going nowhere

i read somwhere someone said “in China there is no blocking, only countering”