I TESTED MA LONG’S ACTUAL TABLE TENNIS BAT!

[Vrael]

I think You don't know much about the equipment of those players, even under top 50 player from Pl uses specially made 56 degree K3, no way Felix is using 53. You know that even Chinese were actually using tenergy few years ago for bh and You could see videos of them playing around with red rubbers on fh.

The idea that ML wouldn't be able to put enough spin on the ball to drop it into the table even with his full arm stroke is just hilarious. Idea that they are not boosting is also just naive. Even Mizutani went for his protest few years ago, cause everyone was boosting. There are a lot of pictures of Chinese players with their equipment and boosters, same as Europeans (just look for Geraldo for example).

Players on that level have enough feeling to get away with weird strokes, if amateur had fh stroke like Mizutani or Platonov everyone would be correcting them and saying there is no way they can land it on the table, but those players did it anyway

 

[KM1976]

Hi Dan,
Thanks for the amazing video. Just being in the presence of such high achievers is an experience which cannot be put into words. You are blessed my friend.
Thanks, KM1976

 

[longle]

His main advantage is that he gets to select what he likes (if he doesn't like what it does, he doesn't have to pay to change it, and they send him quite a few) while we just take what we buy. But the point is that there is nothing special about the manufacturing tolerances vs what we get. Obviously we might enjoy what he uses. But that is because he is a good chooser not because the blade is specially manufactured.

IMO the blades the pros use have the same composition as the blades we use, just the quality of the wood will be very high and the blade weight is precise. It doesn't make sense if they pros' blades have different type of wood or carbon, right ? So for us mortals, we don't really need that much quality

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think You don't know much about the equipment of those players, even under top 50 player from Pl uses specially made 56 degree K3, no way Felix is using 53. You know that even Chinese were actually using tenergy few years ago for bh and You could see videos of them playing around with red rubbers on fh.

The idea that ML wouldn't be able to put enough spin on the ball to drop it into the table even with his full arm stroke is just hilarious. Idea that they are not boosting is also just naive. Even Mizutani went for his protest few years ago, cause everyone was boosting. There are a lot of pictures of Chinese players with their equipment and boosters, same as Europeans (just look for Geraldo for example).

Players on that level have enough feeling to get away with weird strokes, if amateur had fh stroke like Mizutani or Platonov everyone would be correcting them and saying there is no way they can land it on the table, but those players did it anyway

yep

T05 Hard was just a harder version of T05 that pros demanded for 2 years before T05 Hard came out.

 

[longle]

I think You don't know much about the equipment of those players, even under top 50 player from Pl uses specially made 56 degree K3, no way Felix is using 53. You know that even Chinese were actually using tenergy few years ago for bh and You could see videos of them playing around with red rubbers on fh.

The idea that ML wouldn't be able to put enough spin on the ball to drop it into the table even with his full arm stroke is just hilarious. Idea that they are not boosting is also just naive. Even Mizutani went for his protest few years ago, cause everyone was boosting. There are a lot of pictures of Chinese players with their equipment and boosters, same as Europeans (just look for Geraldo for example).

Players on that level have enough feeling to get away with weird strokes, if amateur had fh stroke like Mizutani or Platonov everyone would be correcting them and saying there is no way they can land it on the table, but those players did it anyway

I also agree that the pros' rubbers have much higher hardness than the market versions, because we don't have the techniques for it.

Heming Hu said so himself on this forum, that his sponsored H3 39.5degrees are as hard as the 41degrees on the market.

answering @khongbietgiainen: Even Heming Hu boost the heck out of his H3, WCQ too, so Ma Long is very likely to boost his 42degrees H3 (in Dan's video he said Ma Long's H3 is much softer than he thought)

 

[kobietgiainen]

I think You don't know much about the equipment of those players, even under top 50 player from Pl uses specially made 56 degree K3, no way Felix is using 53. You know that even Chinese were actually using tenergy few years ago for bh and You could see videos of them playing around with red rubbers on fh.

Because the Chinese's table tennis philosophy is different. They are mostly one-wing attacker (except Fan Zhendong, Lin Shidong.....) and they have short backhand strokes. They need tensor rubber to achieve good speed for the counter-attack. They often finish the point with 3rd ball attack. And we are not discussing about their backhand technique here.
About Ma Long's technique, I didn't mean that he couldn't put enough topspin on the ball to generate dip and kick effect. Soft tensor rubber is very high throw, which can cause overshoot, meanwhile, Chinese rubbers that are being used on the forehand side are often low to mid-low throw which can avoid overshooting.
* Tenergy 5 hard is not a SOFT TENSOR RUBBER

 

[kobietgiainen]

answering @kobietgiainen: Even Heming Hu boost the heck out of his H3, WCQ too, so Ma Long is very likely to boost his 42degrees H3 (in Dan's video he said Ma Long's H3 is much softer than he thought)

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We couldn't know how heavy he boosted his rubber. Not every pro uses the same amount of booster.

 

[Vrael]

well we need to agree to disagree on this topic, I am sure Ma Long can put soft tensors and blast the balls on the table and not outside of it, not to mention higher throw angle doesn't mean longer balls, actually it is the opposite, the lower the throw angle the longer the trajectory. (compare tenergy 05 and 64)

 

[backspacer]

Ma Long could blast me with his phone and I would just watch in awe.

 

[Vrael]

And we are not discussing about their backhand technique here.

I should be more precise, You can see some videos where they twiddle to smash and keep it for 1-2 balls driving with fh. If You don't want to believe You can just go find a coach with chinese technique and give him the softest rubbers and watch what happens

 

[kobietgiainen]

well we need to agree to disagree on this topic, I am sure Ma Long can put soft tensors and blast the balls on the table and not outside of it, not to mention higher throw angle doesn't mean longer balls, actually it is the opposite, the lower the throw angle the longer the trajectory. (compare tenergy 05 and 64)

Ma Long can't use his explosive forehand with soft tensor rubber because of it's high throw. This is how the ball trajectory looks like when hitting too hard

not this (hard sponge):

 

[kobietgiainen]

I should be more precise, You can see some videos where they twiddle to smash and keep it for 1-2 balls driving with fh. If You don't want to believe You can just go find a coach with chinese technique and give him the softest rubbers and watch what happens

tacky rubber is mediocre at flat hitting.ofc they can topspin with soft rubber with European technique but in real match, they will never use it.

and they drive after the smash because they don't have enough time to twiddle to black rubber. And not every Chinese use straight handle

 

[kobietgiainen]

In conclusion, Chinese player often relies on 3rd ball attack to gain point, so they need hard and tacky rubber with that technique to do that. Soft tensor rubber is very high throw, they can't exert full force if they want to keep the ball on the table and you will never have chances to admire Ma Long, Fan Zhendong or Wang Liqin's forehand. And pros are no longer use soft tensor rubbers due to changes in ball sizes, which require harder (hybrid ) rubber like dignics, t05 hard, d09c.

 

[Vrael]

so first picture You show someone hitting upward and the next one someone hitting down with different angle, amazing "proof". Now I am not sure if I am discussing with a troll or not, so let me stop here. Please go find a coach, give him soft rubber and then come back to discuss it (with recording that supports Your claim).

If rubber is too soft and the angle is closed and You hit too hard, so the rubber bottoms out and hits even blade then it will go into net and not outside of the table. If it clears the net then those players have enough skills and power to make it dip onto the table and not outside.

 

[Vrael]

Soft tensor rubber is very high throw

this is clearly a wrong statement. If You don't believe me maybe You will believe butterfly:

 

[kobietgiainen]

so first picture You show someone hitting upward and the next one someone hitting down with different angle, amazing "proof". Now I am not sure if I am discussing with a troll or not, so let me stop here. Please go find a coach, give him soft rubber and then come back to discuss it (with recording that supports Your claim).

If rubber is too soft and the angle is closed and You hit too hard, so the rubber bottoms out and hits even blade then it will go into net and not outside of the table. If it clears the net then those players have enough skills and power to make it dip onto the table and not outside.

well i think you need to pick up the bat and experiment yourself.

 

[kobietgiainen]

this is clearly a wrong statement

high throw when topspin, low throw when chop. right?
let's not discuss this anymore. We are misunderstanding each other

 

[Angerer]

they don't use soft sponge tensor rubbers like others I meant, which is very high throw. Truls use DNA Platinum XH- 52,5 deg and Felix uses Tibhar Hybrid K3-53 deg compared to 45-47 deg Tenergy in your mind.
and how did you know that Ma Long rubber is heavily boosted?

Oh yes, 100% guaranteed he is not boosting, for sure.

 

[Vrael]

high throw when topspin, low throw when chop. right?

no not right, check the image

 

[kobietgiainen]

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Oh yes, 100% guaranteed he is not boosting, for sure.

he boosted it, but we don't know how many booster layers. SO we can't give a single conclusion