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[Tony's Table Tennis]

Did an two hour session today. First hour is drilling another one was playing with coach.
Here some exercises that we did today. What do you, guys, think?

sent it to sleepymaster first, and asked if he was happy I posted this here.
first time trying this out, guess it is quicker than typing a lot of words, and maybe end up confusing everyone.

please subscribe to my channel if you like it, thanks

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Oh, I see. Sorry, I didn't realize that's what this thread was.

I might post some footage of myself at some point. I'm not an expert by any means -- around 1500-1700 -- but I think my stroke fundamentals are pretty solid and I think I have some good advice to offer beginner penholders. I thought that passing on the advice of throwing a frisbee in order to learn to whip the arm in RPB would be helpful, and I received it from a coach who made it to R32 at US nationals. I'd be curious to hear what you all think of this advice, actually.

No disrespect intended. I realize you guys are much more qualified than I am to be giving advice.

Yeah. The advice was not bad. I just needed to let you know what the rules of the forum were. Technically, if I wanted to, I could undelete your post. I just think one of the other issues for PenHoldSandro is that he keeps asking for advice and gets tons of it, and if you have too many different versions of advice, usually you end up being hurt by having too many things to work on at once and not working on any of them.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Yeah. The advice was not bad. I just needed to let you know what the rules of the forum were. Technically, if I wanted to, I could undelete your post. I just think one of the other issues for PenHoldSandro is that he keeps asking for advice and gets tons of it, and if you have too many different versions of advice, usually you end up being hurt by having too many things to work on at once and not working on any of them.

Man the roasts just keep coming back to me 💀

But yeah, I do tend to ask for too much advice, hence why I just post videos here to make sure I'm guided right, rather than trying out 100 billion things all at once and getting everything wrong.

Speaking of which, I am working on wrist relaxation right now for forehand, and for backhand I just pushed the elbow a lot more forward, somehow locking it in place.

Both of these still needs a LOT of work, especially FH consistency and BH consistency (especially FH since more power is usually less controllable)

Will add a video soon

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Fair fair

Hey! New videos!

pm you my commentator video

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Haven't posted any practice video in forever - trying to make my backhand and forehand more compact, but more my forehand than my backhand in this video. They both have issues but I don't have a practice partner who can block at the practice speed I would like to do (and this particular practice partner likes to play blocks to win points so I have to be a bit more careful for consistency. But if I find someone who can practice the way I really want to, I might post video that.

For those who don't know, I have bad knees, I used to wear lots of supports but now I just try to wing it, do glute exercises and take collagen supplements. Not wearing any supports here or these days.

you partner.... i'm more looking at him, not you....
feels like you need to have ambulance on stand by, is he ok?

 

[NextLevel]

you partner.... i'm more looking at him, not you....
feels like you need to have ambulance on stand by, is he ok?

Sometimes, you have to not know things to do things. But he is 70 in addition to any other issues. So I mostly feed him the ball unless he moves me around too much.

 

[NextLevel]

Man the roasts just keep coming back to me 💀

But yeah, I do tend to ask for too much advice, hence why I just post videos here to make sure I'm guided right, rather than trying out 100 billion things all at once and getting everything wrong.

Speaking of which, I am working on wrist relaxation right now for forehand, and for backhand I just pushed the elbow a lot more forward, somehow locking it in place.

Both of these still needs a LOT of work, especially FH consistency and BH consistency (especially FH since more power is usually less controllable)

Will add a video soon

What players at your level of experience consider power is too difficult to produce consistently against balls with decent quality. What you want first is reproducible and good technique that you can master with repetition and control against many different kinds of balls. Then you can produce power through getting stronger and adding timing. When you are at my weight and generate power on some balls, and then you see 12 year old kids running around and bring it back over and over, you learn pretty quickly that if you don't have something you can direct and produce and then recover to hit the next ball, you can't beat the players you need to beat. As you get better, everyone can bring one ball back.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

@Tony's Table Tennis has recently made videos about my training, I will not post those videos here. However, I will post the basic outline of both my Fh and Bh and my responses.

For Fh:
- improve footwork
- do not lean sideward to get the ball, footwork
- shrink FH stroke
- connect arm to body better

My response:
"Wait, speaking of a smaller stroke and connecting my arm to the upper body, how do you suggest I do that? Ive developed that type of stroke because of RSM and XX, and I want to maintain that style.

Luckily, most problems come down to footwork, which gets like 50% better when I wear shoes xd"

For Bh:
- stabalize elbow (for the 10th time)
- elbow should be around a hand away from your body

For the response, I just looked at one of his training videos and said Ill copy them.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

My response:
"Wait, speaking of a smaller stroke and connecting my arm to the upper body, how do you suggest I do that? Ive developed that type of stroke because of RSM and XX, and I want to maintain that style.

I wanted to reply in public to this, as I thought this is a common problem.

I told phs that his strokes are way too big, his answer was - he wants to maintain it, as that is what RSM and XX did.

so here is my reply:

1) you are not RSM and XX
2) RSM and XX did not start off with such big strokes, the strokes only gotten bigger, as they became better players and the level of play/incoming ball became higher. In the same time, I said in the video, such large strokes is for more away from the table, and not close by.

end of the day, you don't want to post the video for others to view, so my post here is half the message.
because the other half is in the video commentary.

You need to think of how to play like a beginner, and not to copy pros.
because you are at the building block stages and there are many flaws that will become bad habits. So my video was highlighting the flaws.

you can choose to ignore and continue with your pro like style, that is not style, that is flaws at this stage

you probably needs a hands on coach, get through a dozen sessions, fix your flaws then continue self learning

 

[PenHoldSandro]

I wanted to reply in public to this, as I thought this is a common problem.

I told phs that his strokes are way too big, his answer was - he wants to maintain it, as that is what RSM and XX did.

so here is my reply:

1) you are not RSM and XX
2) RSM and XX did not start off with such big strokes, the strokes only gotten bigger, as they became better players and the level of play/incoming ball became higher. In the same time, I said in the video, such large strokes is for more away from the table, and not close by.

end of the day, you don't want to post the video for others to view, so my text is half the message.
because the other half is in the video commentary.

You need to think of how to play like a beginner, and not to copy pros.
because you are at the building block stages and there are many flaws that will become bad habits. So my video was highlighting the flaws.

you can choose to ignore and continue with your pro like style, that is not style, that is flaws at this stage

Oh wow, thats a great point you got. I will shrink it for sure, but I still want a straight arm, at least for the preperation

Hope this works, since I dont want my arm to be stuck in a 90 degree angle xD

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Oh wow, thats a great point you got. I will shrink it for sure, but I still want a straight arm, at least for the preperation

Hope this works, since I dont want my arm to be stuck in a 90 degree angle xD

your life, your decision

 

[PenHoldSandro]

your life, your decision

Thats why Im asking yall here, not all decisions are good

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Thats why Im asking yall here, not all decisions are good

you have a common habit it seem
many people gives you recommendations,
and its the same type of reply - or atleast I can see from the last 2 or 3 pages of this thread.

so i'm going to end my energy here as I am not looking to spend more than 10 mins on each member here. hence the video is to save me time.
so you can ask, and hope other people answer.

 

[NextLevel]

@PenHoldSandro ,

I think i told the story of when I was trying to learn to loop better on my forehand and my coach told me to limit the upper arm movement (which often involves making the stroke feel smaller and bending the elbow a bit more) and I didn't do it. It's one of my current regrets because a lot of things happened later and if you watch my videos now, I am now on a project to reduce my use of thr upper arm which I could have done 6-7 years ago if I wasn't stubborn.

What Tony is explaining to you is 100% correct and not many people realize it - trying to copy professional players without a deep understanding of technique runs of the risk of you doing things that were added on later to build on special individual strengths but which 95% or more of people will have technical issues implementing.

It is very easy to believe that your coach is leading you wrong because he doesnt understand Chinese technique and he wants to teach you inferior European style or something equally crazy. If someone wants to play effective table tennis, it is best to learn the basics and then use a coaches feedback to make special changes. Making special changes based on what you think you understand always runs the risk of you not understanding what you see and misinterpreting it. That said as an adult learner, your game is your responsibility and since the advice here is free, you are free to reject it and we can always just accept that you really don't want to do what we say which is entirely fair.

Just know that table tennis is extremely complicated and it is hard for someone at your experience level to have more insight than Tony. Virtually impossible. The only thing you know better is what you want to do which is important. It might not make you a better player though.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Btw @Tony's Table Tennis how do I make my stroke more compact? If I try to make it more compact, spin dissapears 😔😔😔

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Btw @Tony's Table Tennis how do I make my stroke more compact? If I try to make it more compact, spin dissapears 😔😔😔

next level (i think) posted a video of a shakehand coach using wrist.
that is like a 5cm action and the ball is very spinny

you can practice spinning the ball in the air with your wrist and get the feel of what a very heavy spin - but light sound on contact and small action is, then try it on the table

 

[NextLevel]

next level (i think) posted a video of a shakehand coach using wrist.
that is like a 5cm action and the ball is very spinny

you can practice spinning the ball in the air with your wrist and get the feel of what a very heavy spin - but light sound on contact and small action is, then try it on the table

It's one of the reasons why the easiest way you can tell if someone can spin the ball heavy is by looking at their service action. Very few players learn to get good spin on serves and then throw all that away when looping. Though there are some who manage to get good spin with fast loop swings but have extremely poor service action...

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Videos

So far, Ive tried to make my FH more compact and my BH more stable elbow. Lemme know what you guys think, since i felt really off today...

Only FH is avaliable rn, bh and match is still loading

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So far, Ive tried to make my FH more compact and my BH more stable elbow. Lemme know what you guys think, since i felt really off today...

Only FH is avaliable rn, bh and match is still loading

good
focus on control and star adding spin, little spin.
try and get 10 or 20 on, and incrementally add the power/spin

btw, are you filming in your boxers?

 

[Der_Echte]

Btw @Tony's Table Tennis how do I make my stroke more compact? If I try to make it more compact, spin dissapears 😔😔😔

You are asking one of the top questions of the century for amateur players.

it comes down to setting position, leverage.... then timing and controlled independent SEQUENCE of EXPLOSION... which is colorful words for how one transfers power.

How you position feet in both width and direction orientation, knee bend, waist lowering, bowing of waist sets leverage... how you time your sequence is key, it is something you have to feel and learn for yourself.

Avoid super long motions, they do not give you leverage and wreck your timing. Position with leverage and timing are key and it takes a while to develop this.

Setting the strike zone is uber important. You have to see the opponent's impact well to do this and think in your subconscious. So this means you do not think consciously and will yourself, that interferes with everything and makes it all take too long.