Harimoto Innerforce Super ALC

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put an old sheet of 09c on backup blade... forgot how nice 09c is for backhand opens up and flicks over table. feels good on either side of this blade. i kept flipping around the 05/09c combo and seeing positives to either way. i have an h3 to try and will see what that feels like on this blade too.
 
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put an old sheet of 09c on backup blade... forgot how nice 09c is for backhand opens up and flicks over table. feels good on either side of this blade. i kept flipping around the 05/09c combo and seeing positives to either way. i have an h3 to try and will see what that feels like on this blade too.
how can i put this mildly... i have 09c on both sides of this blade now and i am in the process of throwing every other piece of equipment i have in the trash
 
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I was able to try this blade out very briefly , with skyline provincial bluesponge on FH

the setup was very spinny with a nice and stable arc. the shot feeling was very comfortable, no strange vibrations or metallic alc feeling coming through. with skyline, it was definitely not too fast or bouncy

pretty good blade I‘d say
 
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how can i put this mildly... i have 09c on both sides of this blade now and i am in the process of throwing every other piece of equipment i have in the trash
Can you elaborate a little more on this? I almost gave up on this blade because i felt that the 09c was uncontrollable on forehand and on backhand. It was also my first time trying this rubber but the 09c on the innerforce alc was more manageable. Finally gave it another go with the Dignics 80 (FH) and Mantra Pro M (BH), similar to the combo i was playing on my Innerforce ALC (Tenergy 80 and Tenergy 80Fx) and felt much more confortable and im enjoying this blade much more.
I feel it has a little less vibration than the Innerforce ALC but when you acelerate the ball, the blade stiffens up (if that makes sense) it feels that you are really in control away from the table. I think its a good compromise between Innerforce ALC and Viscaria, or in my case between Innerforce and Treiber CO (Freitas ALC).
 
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Can you elaborate a little more on this? I almost gave up on this blade because i felt that the 09c was uncontrollable on forehand and on backhand. It was also my first time trying this rubber but the 09c on the innerforce alc was more manageable. Finally gave it another go with the Dignics 80 (FH) and Mantra Pro M (BH), similar to the combo i was playing on my Innerforce ALC (Tenergy 80 and Tenergy 80Fx) and felt much more confortable and im enjoying this blade much more.
I feel it has a little less vibration than the Innerforce ALC but when you acelerate the ball, the blade stiffens up (if that makes sense) it feels that you are really in control away from the table. I think its a good compromise between Innerforce ALC and Viscaria, or in my case between Innerforce and Treiber CO (Freitas ALC).
Well, I was being a little dramatic for comedic effect...

For me, 09C is more fun and has more potential than using Dignics 05/80 but it's more of a style thing, I think. Although, 05 on backhand would be more standard for most and easier to generate speed/spin on random balls (possible that I am stronger with 05 still on BH than 09c). I felt like with 80, I had to worry about the ball going long so I had to take some off my shots and this led to less control or weaker shots. Good for blocking and driving. 05 similar but more spin oriented, more arc but lands shallower on table, requires more closed angle than 80.

On the forehand side, it is not really close, 09C is way better for me. I like 09C for blocks (slower but good spin and control), opens (can crank up spin and get nice trajectory over net but deep on table), counters (harder someone plays, better 09C responds), serves, pushes, etc.

05 requires closed angle but lacks the grip so ball slips more than with 09C. 05 is better at blasting through a low ball to finish due to initial speed off racket.

On backhand side, it is harder to generate speed on slow/weak ball with 09C but way easier to control and counter strong shots. I mostly open and control on backhand, so it works well for me as those are two big benefits of 09c over 05/80, based on how I play.

I'm really happy with HTSALC/09C x 2 overall and expect to continue improving with it as I get more accustomed to the setup. The 09C just fits my style better - hit hard on FH for the big shots with the ability to pick up the ball with spin and control as needed. On BH, 09C offers good blocking control and spinny opens. Serves are easier to keep short and with spin.

I spent a lot of time with Rakza 7 (and some Hurricane), and just feels good. I like the blade a lot and maybe oen day I'll go back to Viscaria, but I don't really think about my equipment at this point. Just need to practice more.
 
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Hello everyone, this blade seems very interesting to me as I love my viscaria but would like a better feeling/control.
US rank : 2200 - French rank : 1700/1800 play style : FH dominant, both wing looper


I was wondering about the weight distribution of the blade : my vis is 89 grams, but handle heavy which I love. Is this blade too head heavy compared to viscaria ? What weight should I pick the Harimoto to "compensate" the bigger head size ?

I was thinking of maybe 86/87 grams will feel similar to my Vis but I would be glad to hear your takes !

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hello everyone, this blade seems very interesting to me as I love my viscaria but would like a better feeling/control.
US rank : 2200 - French rank : 1700/1800 play style : FH dominant, both wing looper


I was wondering about the weight distribution of the blade : my vis is 89 grams, but handle heavy which I love. Is this blade too head heavy compared to viscaria ? What weight should I pick the Harimoto to "compensate" the bigger head size ?

I was thinking of maybe 86/87 grams will feel similar to my Vis but I would be glad to hear your takes !

Thanks in advance.
i have a 86g Harimoto SALC and a 89g Vis and I think I have no problem when transit from Vis to Harimoto ALC, my playstyle is allround and ranking should be about 1700 us rank
 
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people have noted the balance and slight head heaviness of my HTSALC, particularly now that i have 09c on both sides.

its been awhile since i had same rubbers on the viscaria but i do believe that has better balance towards the handle for the blade, and also the head shape on harimoto means heavier rubbers have more of an impact on balance. if i put old 09c on viscaria at some point, will report back.

one of my HTSALC is 90g, idk other blade weight exactly but the overall setup difference is 8g. that lighter one feels a little better but until i weighed them i didnt really know. so ya that idea of mid 80s sounds good to me
 
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i have a 86g Harimoto SALC and a 89g Vis and I think I have no problem when transit from Vis to Harimoto ALC, my playstyle is allround and ranking should be about 1700 us rank
Nice, so you don’t feel that it is too head heavy ? Also could you compare the two handles please ? (I play flared but can play st) thanks !
 
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Changed my backhand rubber from Mantra Pro M to Xiom Vega Korea. The added grip and somewhat softer rubber and adding the fact that the Korea is a little bit slower gave me another world of confidence on my backhand. It helped tame the inherent speed of the SALC on my backhand. Forehand im still undecided if i go Tenergy 19 or Dignics 05. Been trying another Harimoto ALC with Dignics 05 and im feeling pretty confortable, however im afraid i wont be able to tame it on the SALC.
 
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just some random updates (ongoing) for the harimoto super alc saga...

my first blade is 92g (finally remembered to weigh it). i think my other is 86-87g (will know soon enough, remind me to weigh it)

the heavier blade has always felt stiffer/clunkier/faster. more solid on blocks and big hits, i think the weight slows me down a little in transitions and when i need the blade to move a long way, short fh/long bh, etc.

both are good but i like the feel of my setup when using the lighter blade more. seems to flex a little and feel ball little more. perhaps just due to the weight savings

the set up weights with Dignics 09C 2.1mm both sides are 187.4g vs 192.6g. both setups used more or less equal time over 6 months. about time for new rubbers but the 09Cs still work pretty well. regluing so I can weigh the blades/rubbers/setups and have a little more time to use them. idea of switching to one side 1.9 (or both) for more weight savings has crossed my mind, but not sure I want to make any changes right now

... update (because I know you all were dying for an update): bought 2 x D09c 2.1mm to replace old rubbers, no changes for now. will play this combo through end of year. regluing helped one pair feel a little newer but grip in the main hitting spot is done on that pair. that will be robot/returnboard/serve practice setup. will move used but still playable 09c from main racket to HAL for fun/testing when I put new rubbers on.
 
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My Hsalc is about 91g, and weights 187g with D09C/D05. I put D09C on the forehand and D05 on the backhand. I really like the setup. It is almost like a better backhand W968 (with slightly less springy effect on the forehand, but with as much support and power). It is much less numb for small strikes than super viscaria or FZD Salc.
 
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If I am not mistaken, regular Harimoto ALC uses Ayous core, while Super ALC has Kiri core? Correct me if my info is wrong, I heard it from a Japanese reviewer

I wonder what changes about the characteristics of the SALC if it has a Kiri Core. Wouldnt that be even more impactful (ayous vs kiri) than the difference between ALC and Super ALC?
 
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