Russian Players should not be on tour during the War.

[zeio]

This is very bad news for the whole world.

I think the latest development is the real bad news for Ukraine. Working with Japan on combat drones is like Australia getting US nuclear subs (going from benign to malignant), putting a target on their chest asking China to take aim, as Victor Gao once put it.

The war has been a nuisance in the eyes of China. Relations with Russia has been lukewarm at best since the Sino-Soviet split, but the West has pushed Russia towards China after multiple (can I just say non-stop?) NATO expansion.

As an American, I would've said the same words as Trump told Zelensky at the White House.
As a Chinese, I would've said the same words as Geng Shuang told the members (here and here) at the United Nations.

2026/6/23
外交部回應烏克蘭或在日生產無人機：威脅地區和平穩定 (Foreign Ministry responds to reports of Ukraine potentially producing drones in Japan: a threat to regional peace and stability)
https://hkcd.com/newsTopic_content.php?id=8761379

　今日俄羅斯記者：據報道，烏克蘭國防企業正積極尋求與亞洲國家開展軍事合作，其中包括可能在日本生產作戰無人機。俄羅斯曾多次警告，日本向烏克蘭提供支持可能使日本進一步捲入衝突並延長衝突。中方是否對烏克蘭與日本之間不斷加強軍事及無人機生產合作感到擔憂？是否認為此類合作會損害亞洲地區和平與穩定？

　郭嘉昆：中方一貫認為，國與國開展合作應當有利於促進地區和平穩定。

　近年來，日本大肆推進「再軍事化」，發展中遠程強力進攻武器，解禁殺傷性武器出口，同域外國家互動頻繁，擴大自衛隊活動範圍，打造可以實戰的作戰體系。這是在突破日本憲法、國際法規制和「專守防衛」等原則，挑戰戰後國際秩序，與日方自詡的「和平國家」形象背道而馳。日本「新型軍國主義」成勢為患，威脅地區和平穩定。國際社會必須高度警惕、堅決遏止。

(RT reporter: It has been reported that Ukrainian defense companies are actively seeking military cooperation with Asian countries, including the potential production of combat drones in Japan. Russia has repeatedly warned that Japanese support for Ukraine could further embroil Japan in the conflict and prolong it. Is China concerned about the increasing military and drone production cooperation between Ukraine and Japan? Does China believe that such cooperation will harm peace and stability in the Asian region?

Guo Jiakun: China has consistently maintained that cooperation between countries should be conducive to promoting regional peace and stability.

In recent years, Japan has aggressively pursued "remilitarization," developing medium- and long-range powerful offensive weapons, lifting the ban on the export of lethal weapons, engaging frequently with countries outside the region, expanding the scope of activities of its Self-Defense Forces, and building a combat-ready system. This is a breach of the Japanese Constitution, international law, and the principle of "exclusively defensive defense," challenging the post-war international order and contradicting Japan's self-proclaimed image as a "peaceful nation." Japan's "new type of militarism" is gaining momentum and threatening regional peace and stability. The international community must be highly vigilant and resolutely curb it.)

 

[h3llary]

There will be neither one nor the other, because russia, in the form in which it exists now, will no longer exist.
This train has driven into a cliff at full speed, but the people in the far compartments of this train don't know about it yet.

Still I think putinism ain't going anywhere even after his death it will be decades until its fully eradicated

 

[M51]

All empires eventually fall apart, it's an inevitable historical process.

To put things in perspective, the US has existed for 250 years, yet they've only really been an empire for less than a century.

Some say their decline is already happening, but the actual fall... None of us are going to live to see it, and neither will our great-grandchildren.

Now compare that to the other historical empires (Roman, Ottoman, British...)...

 

[Egon]

I think the latest development is the real bad news for Ukraine. Working with Japan on combat drones is like Australia getting US nuclear subs (going from benign to malignant), putting a target on their chest asking China to take aim, as Victor Gao once put it.

The war has been a nuisance in the eyes of China. Relations with Russia has been lukewarm at best since the Sino-Soviet split, but the West has pushed Russia towards China after multiple (can I just say non-stop?) NATO expansion.

As an American, I would've said the same words as Trump told Zelensky at the White House.
As a Chinese, I would've said the same words as Geng Shuang told the members (here and here) at the United Nations.

2026/6/23
外交部回應烏克蘭或在日生產無人機：威脅地區和平穩定 (Foreign Ministry responds to reports of Ukraine potentially producing drones in Japan: a threat to regional peace and stability)
https://hkcd.com/newsTopic_content.php?id=8761379

(RT reporter: It has been reported that Ukrainian defense companies are actively seeking military cooperation with Asian countries, including the potential production of combat drones in Japan. Russia has repeatedly warned that Japanese support for Ukraine could further embroil Japan in the conflict and prolong it. Is China concerned about the increasing military and drone production cooperation between Ukraine and Japan? Does China believe that such cooperation will harm peace and stability in the Asian region?

Guo Jiakun: China has consistently maintained that cooperation between countries should be conducive to promoting regional peace and stability.

In recent years, Japan has aggressively pursued "remilitarization," developing medium- and long-range powerful offensive weapons, lifting the ban on the export of lethal weapons, engaging frequently with countries outside the region, expanding the scope of activities of its Self-Defense Forces, and building a combat-ready system. This is a breach of the Japanese Constitution, international law, and the principle of "exclusively defensive defense," challenging the post-war international order and contradicting Japan's self-proclaimed image as a "peaceful nation." Japan's "new type of militarism" is gaining momentum and threatening regional peace and stability. The international community must be highly vigilant and resolutely curb it.)

Ukraine is able to defend itself with limited resources against a stronger opponent, rather than attack. Perhaps it is this ability that interests Japan in the first place?
Is China's militarism good and Japan's defense capability bad?
Black is white and white is black.
I lived under communism in the USSR.Your text is exactly the same as the Soviet communists wrote in the newspapers at the time.

 

[Egon]

Still I think putinism ain't going anywhere even after his death it will be decades until its fully eradicated

You are right, need a generational change.

 

[NextLevel]

I am not your brother.
Its up to people in Russia who will be next president. As long as they don't invade to another countries and join them nobody care who will be russian president

No, it generally is not up to the people of a country who leads the country if you mean something like "they are all responsible individually for who leads their country". Even in elections, the people who voted for the loser have to live with the results of actions of those who won (Brexit). And unfortunately, there are people who will make money off wars who will also influence who is the next leader, including the current leadership to the degree they can use their power and platform to stack the deck in their favor should they want to do so. The truth is that gaining power is a violent act - there is a reason why many leaders are ruthless men of violence.

Yhat said feel free to carry on. I am sure your friends will be happy tonhear that you think the leadershi of Iran is a result of what Iranian people want.

 

[Egon]

Yhat said feel free to carry on. I am sure your friends will be happy tonhear that you think the leadershi of Iran is a result of what Iranian people want.

It is not for you, him, or me to decide what the Iranian people want.

 

[mihalichtheone]

It is not for you, him, or me to decide what the Iranian people want.

It is not for you, him, or me to decide what politicians want.

 

[Egon]

It is not for you, him, or me to decide what politicians want.

Your people have already shown themselves, it would be better for you to remain silent

 

[mihalichtheone]

Your people have already shown themselves, it would be better for you to remain silent

I am responsible for what I say, not other people.

You seem to be consfused and you're not the one to tell me what to do.

Anyway, I am here mostly for table tennis discussions, though this thread is very interesting to read.

 

[Egon]

I am responsible for what I say, not other people.

You seem to be consfused and you're not the one to tell me what to do.

Anyway, I am here mostly for table tennis discussions, though this thread is very interesting to read.

Okay, since you're so brave, tell me, do you support the military actions your country is conducting on the territory of my country?

 

[jk1980]

Okay, since you're so brave, tell me, do you support the military actions your country is conducting on the territory of my country?

Why don't you first tell us if you support the bombing of donbass from 2014 on? Do you think it is fine what happened in odessa?
I follow the situation even before 2014 and there are also quite a few documentaries about ukraine that are from more independent sources that can not be claimed to be russian interest aligned unless you think there is a big conspiracy from swiss and U.S. people that would be inclined to be pro russia

 

[mihalichtheone]

Okay, since you're so brave, tell me, do you support the military actions your country is conducting on the territory of my country?

This is not of my business.

 

[Egon]

This is not of my business.

But your life.

 

[Egon]

Why don't you first tell us if you support the bombing of donbass from 2014 on? Do you think it is fine what happened in odessa?
I follow the situation even before 2014 and there are also quite a few documentaries about ukraine that are from more independent sources that can not be claimed to be russian interest aligned unless you think there is a big conspiracy from swiss and U.S. people that would be inclined to be pro russia

Can you drop links to these documentaries?
Aren't you curious about whose money this movie was made for and in whose interests?
If you are so curious about what is really happening, then it would be best for you to come here to see it all with your own eyes.
My short black and white text will not be able to cover up the long-running color TV films

 

[jkugin]

Why don't you first tell us if you support the bombing of donbass from 2014 on? Do you think it is fine what happened in odessa?
I follow the situation even before 2014 and there are also quite a few documentaries about ukraine that are from more independent sources that can not be claimed to be russian interest aligned unless you think there is a big conspiracy from swiss and U.S. people that would be inclined to be pro russia

May I answer this as someone who lived in the Donbas prior to 2015? I do not support Russian bombardments of the Donbas—whether in 2014, 2022, or 2026. As an eyewitness, I can state that it was the Russians who were—and remain—notable for attacking residential areas. Ukrainian forces also fired in the direction of Russian troops, resulting in civilian casualties—something I do not support either. However, I would like to point out that between 2015 and 2021, the number of civilian casualties steadily declined; according to official sources from both sides, 36 people died in 2021. Most of these deaths were caused not by shelling, but by previously laid mines. In contrast, more than a thousand civilians were killed by Russian shelling on February 25, 2022, alone.

I also do not support the Russian "special operation" in Odesa. Dozens of civilians died there. There is evidence that the two main organizers—the Odesa police chief and the Odesa fire chief—fled immediately to Russia, where they subsequently received state awards for "excellent service."
Here is a link to a site containing numerous videos recorded by eyewitnesses:

Chronology of events May 2, 2014 in Odessa (in English). Part 1.

Официальный блог "Группы 2 мая"

2maygroup.blogspot.com

The chronology of events that occurred on 2nd of May, 2014 in Odessa (Part 2)

Официальный блог "Группы 2 мая"

2maygroup.blogspot.com

 

[jkugin]

Yes i could see a way to stop the fighting. The opposite way that was chosen. EU, UK, US instead of supporting Ukraine militarily should have been clear that they would NOT support it anymore (= no money, no weapons, only diplomatic support), after all Ukraine was not part of EU and NATO, there was no legal or moral obligation to do so, and Ukraine would have been forced to compromise. Ukraine would perhaps have lost some territories, US would have to remove soldiers, bases and strategic interests, but 1+ million of young men would still be alive and millions wouldn't have fled the country. Ukraine would be a smaller and different country but much stronger and already starting to build its bright future.

I'm in the camp "a bad peace >> a good war"

This approach is not new; it was already tried in 2015. It did not work. Putin attacked Ukraine again in 2022, and for the first 4 to 8 months, there was no significant military aid. Putin did not stop, and Russian forces kept attacking. Even now, Zelenskyy proposes halting hostilities along the front line, but Putin consistently refuses.

 

[latej]

It is said that on 2.5.2014, in the building of the Trade Union House (in Kulik field) in Odessa officially 48 peaceful citizen were burned alive by Ukrainian nationalists.

I think that is what @jk1980 referred to.

 

[M51]

Even now, Zelenskyy proposes halting hostilities along the front line, but Putin consistently refuses.

From a pure military standpoint, halting hostilities while advancing wouldn't make sense. Ukraine would first need to stabilize the front lines, which doesn't seem likely right now.

I'm curious, how do you guys see all this play out? After the 2023 summer counteroffensive that burned tons of human and material resources and still ended catastrophically... What's left, apart from trolling the Russians with drones?

 

[Egon]

It is said that on 2.5.2014, in the building of the Trade Union House (in Kulik field) in Odessa officially 48 peaceful citizen were burned alive by Ukrainian nationalists.

I think that is what @jk1980 referred to.

latej, Yesterday you promised us not to say another word about politics