Hungary had a prodigy...

[ajtatosmano2]

Hungary had a prodigy, but Croatia has her now.
Our incompetent association banned her, sabotaged her (among many of our most talented players), stole her money (yes, literally), saying "she isn't even our most talented player, thinks too much of herself".
After years of no change, her family decided to switch to Croatia for a chance to compete again.
One month under the croatian flag and she is back on the world rankings:
WR#2 in U13
WR#15 in U15
WR#98 in U19 (she just won her first U19 WTT tournament).
Here is a little clip of her training:

 

[NetProphet]

Hungary had a prodigy, but Croatia has her now.
Our incompetent association banned her, sabotaged her (among many of our most talented players), stole her money (yes, literally), saying "she isn't even our most talented player, thinks too much of herself".
After years of no change, her family decided to switch to Croatia for a chance to compete again.
One month under the croatian flag and she is back on the world rankings:
WR#2 in U13
WR#15 in U15
WR#98 in U19 (she just won her first U19 WTT tournament).
Here is a little clip of her training:

Wow!
What age is she and what's her ranking, in the US numbers I mean?
Be interesting to compare her level to the young US lad who has a thread about possibly turning pro.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

She is 13. It's hard to judge her level, because we don't have an elo/gecko point system and she is competing against girls, but I would guess she would be around 2300 or so. She has wins against top 100 womens players. I don't think comparing would be fair, as she trains more and has very high level training partners/coaching. Like, her training partners were 90% strong first league players, her father is a multiple times national champion, in japan she was training under Coach Qiu (Dang's father).
It's a different level of commitment.

 

[Füty Imre]

We wish her the best!
Sadly I did not start competing when I was younger (couple of years ago) because of the circumstances/community that the country has....
I really hope things turn better soon 😪
Also If I may ask out of curiosity what leauge are you playing in?

 

[ajtatosmano2]

We wish her the best!
Sadly I did not start competing when I was younger (couple of years ago) because of the circumstances/community that the country has....
I really hope things turn better soon 😪
Also If I may ask out of curiosity what leauge are you playing in?

Only NB2, northeast.

 

[Füty Imre]

Only NB2, northeast.

only? man thats pretty good

 

[ajtatosmano2]

The girl's team reached the final in the Croatian first league as underdogs and ultimately lost. She played two matches, won one and lost one (against an ex-hungarians national team member who used to train with her). Here is a compilation of good points, unfortunately only on facebook:

Facebook

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[NextLevel]

Hungary had a prodigy, but Croatia has her now.
Our incompetent association banned her, sabotaged her (among many of our most talented players), stole her money (yes, literally), saying "she isn't even our most talented player, thinks too much of herself".
After years of no change, her family decided to switch to Croatia for a chance to compete again.
One month under the croatian flag and she is back on the world rankings:
WR#2 in U13
WR#15 in U15
WR#98 in U19 (she just won her first U19 WTT tournament).
Here is a little clip of her training:

Too much evidence now that if you have a child of any former pro player willing to play the sport, you treat them like gold until evidence massively proves otherwise.

 

[sebi]

Is she always training in Japan?
She has a crazy good forehand.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

Is she always training in Japan?
She has a crazy good forehand.

No, that was a training camp only. She is either training with the croatian team or with her father/usual training partners in hungary.

Next week she will play her first adult WTT, I am curious how she performs. In league she lost to Ni Xialiang 3-1, but WTT is a little different. It depends on the draw, I checked the players list of WTT Zagrab, the field is crazy strong.

 

[sebi]

I will watch a few of her matches.
Exciting new player.

 

[Gtsnake]

I'm curious as to the politics of the situation. Why did the association sabotage her career? Are they trying to promote someone else they like better? Or did some corrupt official get paid?

 

[ajtatosmano2]

I'm curious as to the politics of the situation. Why did the association sabotage her career? Are they trying to promote someone else they like better? Or did some corrupt official get paid?

The association is corrupt and and a group of allies/friends basically.
Her father has a training plan for her and he is the one who wants to work with her, with great success. The national team wants complete control over the players, which did not sit well with the father (and some of the other parents as well, as this control would have been contractual), especially because the coaches don't have previous experience with world class players, all the coaches who do are now coaches in foreign top clubs and the german national team for example).
There were lots of outrageous examples of unfair treatment and favouritism towards the youth players, I will mention just a few:
They didn't let Lizett play in international tournaments even though her family would take care of everything: money, travel, accomodation, training, everything, because "the family isn't cooperating".
The ETTU sent a grant, a substantial sum of money to Lizett for sponsoring equipment and training camps. The association (who should have forwarded) didn't tell this to the family and kept the money for themselves.
The players of clubs favoured by the association (there is an official list of 'choosen' clubs) get 1,5x times the ranking points for their competition results. Which ranking points are also used as a metric for support.
There are different scandals related to important figures in the association and friend groups. Including inappropriate speach towards little girls and the mother of some kids, refusing to pay to subcontractors, choosing friends as contractors and overpaying them etc.

 

[NextLevel]

The association is corrupt and and a group of allies/friends basically.
Her father has a training plan for her and he is the one who wants to work with her, with great success. The national team wants complete control over the players, which did not sit well with the father (and some of the other parents as well, as this control would have been contractual), especially because the coaches don't have previous experience with world class players, all the coaches who do are now coaches in foreign top clubs and the german national team for example).
There were lots of outrageous examples of unfair treatment and favouritism towards the youth players, I will mention just a few:
They didn't let Lizett play in international tournaments even though her family would take care of everything: money, travel, accomodation, training, everything, because "the family isn't cooperating".
The ETTU sent a grant, a substantial sum of money to Lizett for sponsoring equipment and training camps. The association (who should have forwarded) didn't tell this to the family and kept the money for themselves.
The players of clubs favoured by the association (there is an official list of 'choosen' clubs) get 1,5x times the ranking points for their competition results. Which ranking points are also used as a metric for support.
There are different scandals related to important figures in the association and friend groups. Including inappropriate speach towards little girls and the mother of some kids, refusing to pay to subcontractors, choosing friends as contractors and overpaying them etc.

Basic human politics lol. Very sad and unfortunate.

 

[JackJohnson]

ITTF needs to intervene and take control of Hungary temporarily and banned the current elected officials from running it for life.

 

[NextLevel]

ITTF needs to intervene and take control of Hungary temporarily and banned the current elected officials from running it for life.

They have their own corruption problems so this would be amazing. It will be interesting for sure. Many countries have problems as bad as what Hungary is experiencing.

 

[JackJohnson]

They have their own corruption problems so this would be amazing. It will be interesting for sure. Many countries have problems as bad as what Hungary is experiencing.

ITTF will have the upper hand over Hungary since they control both international and WTT events. It would be easy for them to get rid of the current elected officials in Hungary Table tennis association but of course they won’t do anything about it.

Hungary use to be a powerhouse in table tennis but it’s a shame how they are now.

 

[zeio]

ITTF needs to intervene and take control of Hungary temporarily and banned the current elected officials from running it for life.

Remember Budapest Smash 2022? It's possible WTT and MOATSZ colluded and almost got the contract and then the shit hit the fan...

p.s.
Budapest to host WTT Grand Smash in July
https://english.news.cn/20220526/d878c81cec3c4f1b9273e1152dc612f8/c.html

"To have a Smash, the marquee event of our news series, in Europe where table tennis was born was a huge priority for all of us and to have it in Hungary, a country with a huge tradition in our sport, is a great honor," said ITTF Group CEO and WTT Director Steve Dainton.

...

"We will deliver a fantastic event and I am already inviting the fans from Europe and beyond to come to Budapest in July for an unforgettable table tennis holiday," said Roland Natran, President of the Hungarian Table Tennis Association and Executive Vice President of the ITTF.