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So you think the internal.competion aspect is the only dimension and not the fact that more players from better TT countries get to play? So you think that the Olympics tournament is harder to win because China has more internal competition and only gets 2 spots instead of 3? Same with...

You make it sound like all injuries are the Same once you decide to play on.

There are many ways of measuring the quality of a field. You are using one but there are others. Can you compare a field in which the top 7 Chinese players can make WTTC with a field where only the top 5? Same for Germany or Sweden? Japan and Korea? Lim Jonghoon couldn't play this year for...

Of course it is not moot. If it was moot, then players would never need to adapt to rule changes. This is why we sometimes talk about eras. Obviously the logic is lost on you.

Not reaching for straws. In fact I would argue that you are just a Ma Long sycophant. The argument has the same level of value. Changing the ball or the material subtly changes the skills that are required to dominate. In fact, Wang Liqin failed quite a few racket tests trying to get his...

Maybe he was as good but the plastic ball just made the backhand easier to play. Even players who had crappy backhands like Par Gerell developed better backhands with the plastic ball. Dima pointed this out as one of the things that changed as more consistent plastic balls were developed...

I could just as well argue that the spin on the celluloid ball was harder to control and made mastery of the serve return and rallies much more difficult. The problem is that if you already have an answer in mind, most of your logic will justify the answer. Zeio also brought up the 7 per...

In tennis, there are a lot of changing historical criteria (Australian Open was not always a well regarded slam, and number of slam titles were not a measuring stick till after Sampras retired). Federer is great, but Nadal and Djokovic have arguments, from H2H to versatility or surface specific...

Well let's make a case for prime Wang Liqin or Zhang Jike. They won WTTC champs in the cell ball era in field in which Ma Long participated. Ma Long won his with plastic. Therefore I take those 2 over Ma Long because I don't consider plastic results on the same level. They also beat their...

Just play and practice and focus on shot quality. The more you practice, the more you will adjust your grip to produce the optimal ball quality. No one plays with exactly the same grip or grip pressure on every shot. Test tips but focus on ball quality.

Agree 100%.

That you can't even restate my argument shows the problem. My argument is that Ma Long is the GOAT, but that I can understand why given ZJK's injuries and decline and Ma Long's poor record against Wang Hao at the big events where everyone is supposed to peak and bring their best game may give...

Punditry is fun though. And you can kinda make your own judgments and have your own opinions about all kinds of things. IT is what historians do in part as trying to figure out what should be preserved for future generations when you have limited storage is a part of life. Hall of Fame etc...

Exactly. He seems to confuse the point of view of others with "everyone must think about the issue the same way he does but just arrive at other conclusions" rather than just accepting that not everyone will do it like him and that is life.

Pota wins a very close final deuce in the 7th (15-13). She seems to play more topspin on the forehand now. Now... come on, Jakob!

The size says Gavin Rumgay or Par Gerrell.

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Oh no, not again...

Derailed how? Fanboys never tire of hearing how great Ma Long is. You know you can find many threads saying the same thing. This one just goes off and on once in a while. Just find new stats to show that Ma Long beat more people and it will be back on track. They just won't be Wang Hao at...