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It is a sign of maturity to recognize that disagreement is inherent in the human condition given the subjective nature of life.

I think you should look at his ranking of the best players of all time. You might get a different perspective there.

I gave a definition. You are using yours. If XX and FZD had made the semis again this year by my definition, then we would have a conversation. ML is the great player of the plastic ball generation but he isn't competing against any others. In 2013, he was competing with many great players...

People know the relative difficulty of winning the events based on the draws and the number of great players etc. Even Waldner ranks Wang Liqin and Wang Hao over Ma Lin. World Cup is not a real slam to anyone.

Usually there is video after the match. Maybe they just didn't catch him and I missed it. Ask zeio.

Wang Liqin exists.

Well. People said similar things about Federer in the mid 2000s. Then what happened? Other great players showed up and he suddenly started losing more. How to define a great player? Someone who is consistently going deep in every event even if they are not winning the titles because another...

Because very often in sports you are judged at the margins by what you didn't do not what you did. Ma Lin had the Olympics gold and World Cups that Wang Liqin did not. But no one will confuse that with the difficulty of winning the stacked WTTC back then. And Ma Lin just lost to WLQ twice...

These are arguments I have made before. It is funny arguing with a past version of yourself. 1) This is a bit of mixing and matching. The records say nothing about when/where the matches were played or whether the opponents were at certain ages or points in their careers. In a few years, we...

I said it is overrated in assessing Ma Long's greatness. No, not generally overrated.

First rule of DerEcthe TT - if you return his serves reasonably well, you have a good chance of beating him. Did you ever try a Korbel?

My coach thinks that you should spin everything. But sometimes these issues are about definitions. The best players seem to topspin against everything except lob and high balls to the short forehand.

No doubt and this is where injuries come into play as well. Only a true fangirl would act like ZJK didn't have serious injuries, regardless of your view on whether that should be seriously considered in ZJK's goat candidacy. The point is simple. If you look at the players at the top of the...

The CNT coaches would make the exact same comments about Zhang Jike with respect to how spin affected their gsmes. No, she was putting her own spin on it. ZJK was more reliant on spin than Ma Long.

So when a professional does it, it is respectful but when an amateur does it, it is disrespectful? It is called Punditry and everyone does it. Like I said, the only direction one can head with your argument is degenerative insults. I can assert that Mattias Falck is not as great TT player as...

Not true. You can have many dominant player if the same.players are consistently getting to the top spots. If you blame the new ITTF seeding system, you would be far more credible.

No doubt. If not, Monica Seles may be the greatest lady tennis player of all times. More seriously, the back injuries that left ZJK looking like a shell of himself were significant. It doesn't require accepting that Ma Long is the GOAT to realize that. There were other things but there is no...

Spoken like a true ML fangirl.

Do you think the plastic ball hurt Ma Long as much as it hurt Zhang Jike? Speak truthfully.

I think no one ever suggested that someone is not the best because he beat everyone or because he didn't beat everyone decisively. There are subtle arguments about the quality of your opposition. They can be weighted as part of the discussion. Maybe zeio thinks they are enough to dispute Ma...