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Yeah, not so extroverted, but ready to say things when it is "none of your business".

The truth is that there is often nothing that much better than water. Rubbers are not weapons of precision such that if you scratch it, the rubber becomes unplayable. If maintenance was the key, pros would not be wearing out and changing their rubbers frequently. Give it some thought.

Well i decide, what is my business and what not and since this is a public forum i don't hesitate to speak my mind.
I hope you don't have a problem with that, but if you do it's mainly your business and what Pros do is their business since i don't have to pay for their rubbers and most of the times neither do they pay for 'em...

From what i know Tabletennis is a sport where precision can help a lot. If you see that differently then that is also mainly your business.

As i said, you can treat your OWN 'tool' like garbage but if you give out trashy (to pick up your kind terminology) recommendations in a place, where kids that might be looking up to you, might read this, you should expect some strong headwind against you, my young friend.

Most of the times your posts are quite helpful.
Well, IMHO this isn't one of them.

Since one can see that i use tacky rubber on one side i stick to what my mind tells me and basically do the same as Haggisv said....
 
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Suga D,

Thanks for your opinion but you probably don't realize how rude you can be when you disagree with people. Precision does matter in table tennis. Pros take care of their rubbers (people who see what pros do to their rackets when they are not using them can see this). Pros do not do this with an expectation of extending the rubbers life because if you use the rubber to spin, you will end up wearing the topsheet and showing the pimples and needing a replacement.

While you can use certain products to clean a rubber, and I have used a majority of the products you described, they are not radically better than water and they will not restore a rubber if you have looped with it hard enough to expose the pimples. That said, some people like looping with old rubber for personal reasons and that is fine. But it is not magically extending the life of the rubber.

If Zhang Jike is using his breath to clean his rubber, why are you not trashing him? Or when pros use their hands to clean their rubber while playing, which contains same sweat as when someone uses a T-shirt, is there something magical going on that I missed?

There is an argument for not using sweat to clean a tensioned rubber in modern times but you have not come close to making it.

Now you will start insulting people as if they said something about Weikert.
 
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For non-tacky rubbers water is usually enough, but for Tacky rubber you'll need to use a cleaner more often if you want to keep it tacky. Foam cleaners work best for me for tacky rubbers (also plastic sheets are vital for this).


In fact, the first person who.encouraged me to use water to clean my rubbers was a tacky rubber user on youtube (xkaboomx). Later, a guy who hung around lots of provincial players told me the same. Tacky rubbers just last longer than non-tacky in my experience as long as you basically clean and do not expose to dust but since I am not a specialist, there might be some nuances I am missing.
 
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Suga D,

Thanks for your opinion but you probably don't realize how rude you can be when you disagree with people. Precision does matter in table tennis. Pros take care of their rubbers (people who see what pros do to their rackets when they are not using them can see this). Pros do not do this with an expectation of extending the rubbers life because if you use the rubber to spin, you will end up wearing the topsheet and showing the pimples and needing a replacement.

While you can use certain products to clean a rubber, and I have used a majority of the products you described, they are not radically better than water and they will not restore a rubber if you have looped with it hard enough to expose the pimples. That said, some people like looping with old rubber for personal reasons and that is fine. But it is not magically extending the life of the rubber.

If Zhang Jike is using his breath to clean his rubber, why are you not trashing him? Or when pros use their hands to clean their rubber while playing, which contains same sweat as when someone uses a T-shirt, is there something magical going on that I missed?

There is an argument for not using sweat to clean a tensioned rubber in modern times but you have not come close to making it.

Now you will start insulting people as if they said something about Weikert.

Well i'm not so much into insulting, but the thing is if someone pretends to be Mr. knowitall and does that in a quite aggressive manner it seems quite strange to me, that this person starts complaining about other peoples rudeness.
It wasn't me who threw in the term 'trashy' first... But maybe i've got it all wrong

... or my loop is a piece of trash. It's obvious I usually don't hold my tongue...

And again: none of the mentioned pros as ZJK pay for their rubbers, hence they don't really care about longevity since they'll get a new one easily. What they do to their rubbers wouldn't be considered as 'maintenance'

And for a person that spends 70$ per sheet and another 100$ on the blade, it seems highly contradictive to be too stingy to spend 3 more bucks on maintenance tools, but as i said, to each his own....
 
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Well i'm not so much into insulting, but the thing is if someone pretends to be Mr. knowitall and does that in a quite aggressive manner it seems quite strange to me, that this person starts complaining about other peoples rudeness.
It wasn't me who threw in the term 'trashy' first...

And again: none of the mentioned pros as ZJK pay for their rubbers, hence they don't really care about longevity since they'll get a new one easily. What they do to their rubbers wouldn't be considered as 'maintenance'

And for a person that spends 70$ per sheet and another 100$ on the blade, it seems pretty contradictive to be too stingy to spend 3 more bucks on maintenance tools, but as i said, to each his own....


OK. I have posted the video of someone who uses water and his hands to clean his rubbers. Hopefully, you can tell him how proud you are of getting 9 months out of your spending money on cleaners when he says he gets over a year using water and his hands. And we can see who is pretending to know it all.
 
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Well i'm not so much into insulting, but the thing is if someone pretends to be Mr. knowitall and does that in a quite aggressive manner it seems quite strange to me, that this person starts complaining about other peoples rudeness.
It wasn't me who threw in the term 'trashy' first... But maybe i've got it all wrong

And again: none of the mentioned pros as ZJK pay for their rubbers, hence they don't really care about longevity since they'll get a new one easily. What they do to their rubbers wouldn't be considered as 'maintenance'

And for a person that spends 70$ per sheet and another 100$ on the blade, it seems pretty contradictive to be too stingy to spend 3 more bucks on maintenance tools, but as i said, to each his own....

Not sure how a thread about bat cleaner has turned into a small argument, but I don't think this is an argument that can be won by either side as its all about opinion. I would just agree to disagree if I were you haha :)

Sorry to intervene, I just want this to be a constructive forum, not one that always ends in argument :)
 
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It's okay, NL. Right, i'm known to bully everyone that isn't conform with my opinion... Ooops, doesn't that sound like somebody else..

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Thanks Stacey, you're totally right. I actually didn't want to look for an argument but rather throw in more opininions for OP to take into consideration since i felt this thread became quite one-sided.

What got me going though is that NL reacted the way he did.

But I think i've spoken my thoughts and now i just do like the Fonz and keep my cool.
 
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It's okay, NL. Right, i'm known to bully everyone that isn't conform with my opinion... Ooops, doesn't that sound like somebody else..

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Thanks Stacey, you're totally right. I actually didn't want to look for an argument but rather throw in more opininions for OP to take into consideration since i felt this thread became quite one-sided.

What got me going though is that NL reacted the way he did.

But I think i've spoken my clout and now i just do like the Fonz and keep my cool.

My Surname is actually Stacey not my first name haha :)

I go by "Yecats" on here :)

Cheers Suga :)
 
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It's okay, NL. Right, i'm known to bully everyone that isn't conform with my opinion... Ooops, doesn't that sound like somebody else..

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Thanks Stacey, you're totally right. I actually didn't want to look for an argument but rather throw in more opininions for OP to take into consideration since i felt this thread became quite one-sided.

What got me going though is that NL reacted the way he did.

But I think i've spoken my thoughts and now i just do like the Fonz and keep my cool.

I reacted the way I did because of what you wrote and because you have done similar things before. Thanks for letting me know you have a problem with my writing and style in general. It helps so I know where it is coming from next time.


Cheers.
 
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I reacted the way I did because of what you wrote and because you have done similar things before. Thanks for letting me know you have a problem with my writing and style in general. It helps so I know where it is coming from next time.


Cheers.

Hahahaaa you're too funny, mate.
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Clean my dhs h3 neo with reach rubber wash(with soft sponge),it does a better job then demineralized water. It becomes more tacky especially after i put the plastic protection foil. On my backhand rubber, tibhar mxp the difference is negligible.
 
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Alright. I am going to say a few things. Perhaps this is a different version of comedy than my earlier posts. But take it for what it is.

Back when I started playing I remember reading from DTop that a sponge and water is all you need. And he had a link to a super cool sponge that he was clear you did not need. But that it worked well and lasted for a long time. It is called the Absorb 'N Dry Vacuum Sponge. It is a PVC sponge. I love it. But I absolutely do not need it. The one I am using currently has lasted for 4-5 years so far. I carry it in an airtight container. Will post a photo when I get a chance.

Now, I have heard that the chemicals in TT rubber cleaners cause your rubber to break down and wear out quicker. I have also heard that soap or detergent would do this. I have also heard sweat would do this. And I have heard that water would do this.

My experience is that, before that is actually a factor, my rubber usual has already worn out.

As far as using some form of detergent to get oils off your rubbers: when my topsheet is almost dead, I put some WD40 on the topsheet and it makes it grip better for another 3-4 weeks. When you boost, you are using oils to expand the sponge. Certain oils help cause the topsheet to be more grippy for a while.

Yes those same oils do break down the rubber molecules and cause the sponge and rubber to lose elasticity over time. But, by the time that has happened, you probably should have changed to a new rubber anyway. Even air causes the rubber molecules to oxidize, break down and lose elasticity. So however you look at it, over time, rubber breaks down.

This is kind why I am always sort of scratching my head and wondering when you have one of those guys who wants to sell a used rubber for almost what it was bought for. Especially a rubber like MX-P:

1) It was cut to the size of a blade that simply wasn't yours.

2) After it is unwrapped and sitting out in the open air for weeks and months, it is not the same rubber you glued on to your racket.

3) Most of those rubbers that I see being sold that way are pre-boosted at the factory. That boost effect wears off in a matter of weeks when the rubber is on your blade. If the sponge is not glued to the blade it would take a matter of days for the pre-tuned effect to evaporate and leave the sponge shrunken and performing at a much lower level than when glued onto a racket and left there.

But, I guess if there is a market, and someone buys these rubbers, that is their choice.

So, anyway, you could simply say time is not on your side. And any method of cleaning you like should be okay.

In addition to his regular cleaning method, I was actually hoping Der_Echte was going to give us the salad dressing recipe he likes for reviving certain rubbers.

What were the ingredients Der? Olive Oil and Lemmon Juice? Precisely what Suga D was scared of, and yet, I'm going to say, in the long run, not ideal, but it will revive your rubber if it is almost dead and you just want another month or so of juice out of your rubber.

Can I make a short version of what I have said and sum things up?

Everything including the air will cause your rubber to degrade more quickly over time. Rubbers have a certain shelf life to them. Some people, like me, push that limit a little more than would be advisable if I played more competitively. Some change their rubbers more often. Clean your rubbers with whatever you want! And if you want extra life from your rubbers, find Der, and get him to give your racket a few goes with his secret formula topsheet boosting, sweat with bear oils, cleaning solution. Soon Haifu will be selling it as Haifu Grizzly Oil National Version for $200.00 an ounce.

Hope this information helps.


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Back when I started playing I remember reading from DTop that a sponge and water is all you need. And he had a link to a super cool sponge that he was clear you did not need. But that it worked well and lasted for a long time. It is called the Absorb 'N Dry Vacuum Sponge. It is a PVC sponge. I love it. But I absolutely do not need it. The one I am using currently has lasted for 4-5 years so far. I carry it in an airtight container. Will post a photo when I get a chance.

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did u get that at Home Depot or a plumbing supply store? thats cool it last 5 years. my yasaka sponge is great but its falling apart after a couple months

Here:

http://www.super-cool-products.com/superpvaspongeswipes.html

I got the version of the sponge that came in a bag and got the air tight container separately. I cut the sponge in half so, the one in the bag gives you two cleaning sponges if you cut it to length.

You can put it in the laundry. Ever couple of months, to keep it from getting moldy, I clean it that way. Between washings I clean it in the sink every so often.


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