China Open 2019

NextLevel · May 31, 2019

thom said:
it will only count in big matches eg for the title or at least semi

Huh???

thom · May 31, 2019

not to be disrespectful, but I didn't see any 4-0 predictions for HT, now everybody knew

thom · May 31, 2019

NextLevel said:
Huh???

Huh????

RidTheKid · May 31, 2019

I think LGY is clearly a better player but being in the spot he was in and get out of it, 9 match points against him, I think it could send a message that he's getting his head in order to win the big titles. But I also think DO played better than he has in a while, looked faster and sharper. But what's with that cough? Has he developed asthma?

thom said:
it is a good win, but I don't think it proves he can win the big one. Let me ask you this, in real playing terms didn't you favour LGY over DO?

NextLevel · May 31, 2019

thom said:
Huh????

Seriously. Dima is a Tier 1 opponent of China and has beaten LGY before. China Open is one of the biggest tour events for many reasons. Not once but twice, LGY came back from huge deficits and in total saved 9 match points. And it supposedly doesn't count?

I think I need to remember that this is the internet. Everyone has an opinion.

zeio · May 31, 2019

RidTheKid said:
Aha, so it doesn't count against a non-Chinese top contender in front of his home crowd? No pressure there I guess?

I look at it this way. A big choker came out on top of a bigger choker.

JesperStef · May 31, 2019

Results from Day 4 (Fri 31 May 2019)

Men's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Fan Zhendong 4:1 Lubomir Pistej (11:7, 7:11, 11:0, 11:8, 12:10)
[11] Ma Long 4:0 Koki Niwa [8] (11:4, 11:5, 11:5, 11:2)

[14] Wong Chun Ting 4:1 Simon Gauzy (11:4, 9:11, 11:7, 11:6, 11:9)
[4] Tomokazu Harimoto 4:0 Liam Pitchford [15] (11:8, 11:9, 11:8, 11:8)

[3] Lin Gaoyuan 4:3 Dimitrij Ovtcharov [12] (9:11, 11:8, 9:11, 9:11, 11:9, 12:10, 17:15)
[9] Liang Jingkun 4:2 Hugo Calderano [7] (8:11, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9, 11:4, 11:6)

[5] Timo Boll 4:3 Yu Ziyang (11:8, 8:11, 11:9, 13:15, 8:11, 12:10, 11:8)
[2] Xu Xin 4:0 Jun Mizutani [13] (11:4, 11:8, 11:6, 11:7)

Women's Singles

Round of 16:

[1] Ding Ning 4:0 Miu Hirano [9] (11:9, 11:3, 11:6, 11:7)
[7] Mima Ito 4:0 Feng Tianwei [10] (11:6, 11:8, 14:12, 11:9)

[5] Liu Shiwen 4:0 Sofia Polcanova (11:8, 11:5, 11:7, 11:5)
[4] Wang Manyu 4:1 Chen Szu-Yu (11:5, 12:14, 14:12, 11:8, 11:5)

[3] Chen Meng 4:0 Kim Song I [15] (11:6, 11:8, 11:6, 11:5)
[14] Chen Xingtong 4:0 Kasumi Ishikawa [6] (11:6, 11:5, 11:8, 11:5)

[8] Cheng I-Ching 4:2 Bernadette Szocs [16] (14:12, 9:11, 11:7, 11:3, 13:15, 11:8)
[2] Zhu Yuling 4:0 Qian Tianyi (11:8, 11:8, 11:5, 11:6)

Men's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Jeoung Youngsik/Lee Sangsu 3:1 Masataka Morizono/Jin Ueda [8] (12:14, 11:9, 11:9, 11:8)
Ma Long/Wang Chuqin 3:1 Ovidiu Ionescu/Alvaro Robles [4] (9:11, 11:3, 11:7, 11:2)

[3] Jang Woojin/Lim Jonghoon 3:1 Kristian Karlsson/Jon Persson (6:11, 11:5, 12:10, 14:12)
Timo Boll/Patrick Franziska 3:0 Dimitrij Ovtcharov/Ricardo Walther (11:8, 16:14, 11:5)

Semi-finals:

Ma Long/Wang Chuqin 3:1 Jeoung Youngsik/Lee Sangsu [1] (11:7, 9:11, 11:7, 12:10)
Timo Boll/Patrick Franziska 3:2 Jang Woojin/Lim Jonghoon [3] (11:6, 11:9, 7:11, 2:11, 11:9)

Women's Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Wang Manyu/Zhu Yuling 3:0 Lin Ye/Zeng Jian [6] (11:4, 12:10, 11:6)
[5] Cha Hyo Sim/Kim Nam Hae 3:0 Lee Ho Ching/Minnie Soo Wai Yam [4] (11:3, 11:4, 11:5)

Honami Nakamori/Satsuki Odo 3:2 Maria Xiao/Zhang Mo (11:2, 11:7, 10:12, 7:11, 11:7)
Gu Yuting/Liu Shiwen 3:0 Miyuu Kihara/Miyu Nagasaki (11:7, 12:10, 11:7)

Semi-finals:

[1] Wang Manyu/Zhu Yuling 3:0 Cha Hyo Sim/Kim Nam Hae [5] (11:9, 11:5, 11:6)
Gu Yuting/Liu Shiwen 3:2 Honami Nakamori/Satsuki Odo (11:9, 9:11, 9:11, 11:6, 11:7)

Mixed Doubles

Quarter-finals:

[1] Wong Chun Ting/Doo Hoi Kem 3:2 Tomokazu Harimoto/Kasumi Ishikawa [7] (11:8, 3:11, 11:8, 10:12, 12:10)
Ham Yu Song/Cha Hyo Sim 3:2 Ovidiu Ionescu/Bernadette Szocs (11:9, 11:6, 10:12, 7:11, 11:4)

[4] Lin Yun-Ju/Cheng I-Ching 3:0 Xu Xin/Chen Meng [5] (11:6, 11:9, 11:9)
Koki Niwa/Mima Ito 3:0 Stefan Fegerl/Sofia Polcanova [6] (11:9, 11:9, 11:8)

Semi-finals:

[1] Wong Chun Ting/Doo Hoi Kem 3:2 Ham Yu Song/Cha Hyo Sim (11:7, 7:11, 4:11, 12:10, 11:4)
[4] Lin Yun-Ju/Cheng I-Ching 3:2 Koki Niwa/Mima Ito (13:11, 6:11, 11:8, 4:11, 11:8)

Source: https://www.ittf.com/tournament/5003/2019/2019-ittf-world-tour-china-open/

NextLevel · May 31, 2019

thom said:
not to be disrespectful, but I didn't see any 4-0 predictions for HT, now everybody knew

Well, I said he was the clear favorite and that the only reason why one could give Pitchford a chance was past head to head. The thing is that everyone is looking for a story or a reason for a match to be exciting. But Harimoto was the clear favorite. People just look at things other than the numbers because the numbers don't make for an exciting story.

thom · May 31, 2019

NextLevel said:
Seriously. Dima is a Tier 1 opponent of China and has beaten LGY before. China Open is one of the biggest tour events for many reasons. Not once but twice, LGY came back from huge deficits and in total saved 9 match points. And it supposedly doesn't count?

I think I need to remember that this is the internet. Everyone has an opinion.

it's all good

NextLevel · May 31, 2019

zeio said:
I look at it this way. A big choker came out on top of a bigger choker.

I don't think this is fair or right - what has Dima choked away? Losing to players is not the same thing as choking, otherwise all players are chokers.

thom · May 31, 2019

NextLevel said:
I don't think this is fair or right - what has Dima choked away? Losing to players is not the same thing as choking, otherwise all players are chokers.

According to Rid, he had 9 match points

RidTheKid · May 31, 2019

I agree, some players you are just supposed to lose to since you are below their level.

NextLevel said:
I don't think this is fair or right - what has Dima choked away? Losing to players is not the same thing as choking, otherwise all players are chokers.

RidTheKid · May 31, 2019

It's according to official stats.

thom said:
According to Rid, he had 9 match points

thom · May 31, 2019

RidTheKid said:
It's according to official stats.

I have not seem the stats, so I could only quote you.

NextLevel · May 31, 2019

thom said:
it is a good win, but I don't think it proves he can win the big one. Let me ask you this, in real playing terms didn't you favour LGY over DO?

Sometimes, we talk as if winning the big one is about handling nerves. IMO, the power deficit that LGY has relative to FZD and LJK is significant and real and makes him a #3 and probably in time a #4 as other players like WCQ develop. But he can get lucky and his speed helps. But his issue is not handling nerves, his issue is power. You could see today that many rallies in which Dima was supposed to be on the backfoot and lose outright, he was still able to bring back LGY's ball's repeatedly. That is LGY's real problem, the nerves are just made more apparent by those issues.

drunix80 · May 31, 2019

ML will blow away FZD tomorrow. I would love to see ML vs Harimoto rematch in the semis

Michal_Z · May 31, 2019

BlipBlop575 said:
Really don't know what to make of Pitchford as a player, In WTTC he barely won against Afanador while here he had a comfortable win against ZQH. He's just so up and down that you can never expect what kind of a performance he's gonna bring during tournaments.

Yep and now what I expected to be a thriller, he got wiped out by Harimoto..

NextLevel · May 31, 2019

RidTheKid said:
It's according to official stats.

I counted them even before I saw the official stat because I didn't watch the match live and was amazed by the score. 10-5, then he got the ad from 10-10 to 14-14. LGY got his first match points at 15-14 and 16-15.

That match was so close that either player could have won 4-0. Dima got really lucky in close points in the first 4 games but couldn't narrow the angles in when he needed a point in the last 3.

Michal_Z · May 31, 2019

Atas Newton said:
Calling it now, Pitch gonna destroy Tomo.

HA HA HA

That one didnt come true..

Michal_Z · May 31, 2019

Nemo said:
LGY - Dima 4-3
Dima losing 15-17 in the 7th after having had 5 match points.

That's rough, buddy.

Good on LGY for showing that he can win against his nerves.

Actually it was more than 5..
He was in the lead 3:1 in games and 7:2..
Then 3:2 in games and 8:3!
Then 3:3 and 10:5, 11:10,12:11,14:13, and 15:14, eventually losing, saving just one matchpoint of Lin..
In fact, it really pissed me, I was hoping Dima would win..

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