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      Hinoki 100%

      I wanted to buy a blade made of 100% hinoki with 5 or 7 layers, I think butterfly stopped selling the Kiso model and now I found the Garadya models but it has carbon. I like Nittaku Septear, Yinhe Kiso hinoki, Sanwei HC. If you can help me find differences (origin of the cypress, years of the tree, etc.) and propose other 100% hinoki models with 5 or 7 layers
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      Darker have a few and maybe neottec

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      cancel out yinhe kiso in your choices, base on having owned that blade, their hinoki wood is on lower quality, i find xiom hinokis are top grade on their hinoki woods, or you can try pp ilovepingpong of taiwan they have lots of differnt kind of hinokis, cheaper too.

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      Hey, I have one butterfly Hinoki VII, if you are interested

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      Thank you very much for your answer, with yinhe I thought that if the name of the hinoki was kiso, the quality was good. Can you tell me 100% hinoki xiom models? I quite liked the Darker 7A but I am surprised by the price difference between one layer and 5/7 layers, the secret of the Japanese cypress is that it is 9-10mm and 1ply? Opinions about Nittaku septear? I'm only interested in new rackets, thank you very much!

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      I forgot that Nexy all hinoki blade that I reviewed years ago. Quality was also good.

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      Quote Originally Posted by yogi_bear View Post
      I forgot that Nexy all hinoki blade that I reviewed years ago. Quality was also good.
      I tried so hard to get the KJH blade a year back and never found anyone selling it.

      Even the nexy europe store declined to ship it to India.

      I don't know the reason though.

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      KJH is no longer with Nexy thatis why that blade was discontinued.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tabletennisbets View Post
      Thank you very much for your answer, with yinhe I thought that if the name of the hinoki was kiso, the quality was good. Can you tell me 100% hinoki xiom models? I quite liked the Darker 7A but I am surprised by the price difference between one layer and 5/7 layers, the secret of the Japanese cypress is that it is 9-10mm and 1ply? Opinions about Nittaku septear? I'm only interested in new rackets, thank you very much!
      The Darker all Hinoki blades are better quality wood than any of the others.

      The question would be whether you wanted a one ply or a 7 ply.

      Also, you should know, that One Ply Hinoki blades are amazing and feel better than everything else but they are expensive and they are easy to break. If that matters to you, then you may want a 7 ply. Darker 7p-2a and 7p-2a.7t is an excellent blade. But nothing is as good as a Darker Speed 90 in terms of feeling. But, again, a one ply like the Darker Speed 90 is easy to break.
      Last edited by UpSideDownCarl; 03-31-2020 at 10:20 PM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tabletennisbets View Post
      Thank you very much for your answer, with yinhe I thought that if the name of the hinoki was kiso, the quality was good. Can you tell me 100% hinoki xiom models? I quite liked the Darker 7A but I am surprised by the price difference between one layer and 5/7 layers, the secret of the Japanese cypress is that it is 9-10mm and 1ply? Opinions about Nittaku septear? I'm only interested in new rackets, thank you very much!
      9-10mm blade are only for.1ply.blades, 5 or 7 ply can.be thinner, i played xiom.hinoki.s7 before available at aliexpress, it is very fast and controllable, with long trajectory, good feel, 1 ply.blades havebetter.feel but are too thick, if i will to.choose i will get the multiply

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      For me Septear is propably the best option and I had 50-60 Hinoki top ply blades.
      If I will be honest
      Gewo Quadri Aruna Hinoki Carbon is great
      Nexy Arirang is perfect
      But all wood blade is small market and only septear has feeling and good quality too

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      Nexy made one or two multi-ply all hinoke blades and I never stocked them, wasn't enough USA interest. I think it was the Tama 7 ply and next is sold out of that one or whatever one they made.

      On another note, the Kim Jung Hoon was easily the best selling Nexy Blade (it was branded Tibhar though) in USA, Nexy even had a second production run, unusual. Alas, they are all gone and you gotta send out the Goon Squad on a long-term surveillance and body-snatch mission.
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      maybe you will like this blade

      http://ww3.ping-pong.tw/product_info...oducts_id=5479

      i will be ordering that blade after this covid lockdown, it has different ply thickness in forehand and backhand side

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      +1 on the Xiom Hinoki S7, excellent blade at exactly 7mm.

      IMO 1 plies are overrated. Some people like the feel, but I find them to lack feel altogether. A ~7mm multi ply hinoki will feel more direct and solid while crisper.

      1 step up are 7 ply basswood blades, even more crisp and substantial feeling. But you have to look vintage and can be a hit or miss.

      Nittaku spruce (S-5) is also nice, another step up in hardness from the basswoods, but starts to loose penetrating feel.

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      I have loved the story of the Darker brand and all its reviews are excellent. What is the difference between 7P2A7T and 7P2A? At the moment they are my favorites. In which store would you buy this brand? TT11? Darker do not have their own website to buy? The other one that I liked is the Moby with 7 layers of different Hinoki and a different structure in FH and BH I find it attractive. (You will tell me Wappak) Xiom S7 looks good but they no longer make it, I only found it on Aliexpress, will it be false? ($ 67) On the Xiom official website there are 3 new blades with hinok the Katana saga My feeling with this Korean brand is that they care about quality and details but want to compete with butterfly and their products are more expensive than they should be. My blessings to all and thank you very much for your time!

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      yes they are legit on aliexpress but its hard to order right now because of the lockdown and some countrys closed their airmail package delivery. the xiom hinoki s7 is fast blade faster than clipper with soft feel.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tabletennisbets View Post
      I have loved the story of the Darker brand and all its reviews are excellent. What is the difference between 7P2A7T and 7P2A? At the moment they are my favorites. In which store would you buy this brand? TT11? Darker do not have their own website to buy? The other one that I liked is the Moby with 7 layers of different Hinoki and a different structure in FH and BH I find it attractive. (You will tell me Wappak) Xiom S7 looks good but they no longer make it, I only found it on Aliexpress, will it be false? ($ 67) On the Xiom official website there are 3 new blades with hinok the Katana saga My feeling with this Korean brand is that they care about quality and details but want to compete with butterfly and their products are more expensive than they should be. My blessings to all and thank you very much for your time!
      The 7t indicates the difference in the two Darker blades. The 7p-2a is 6.3mm thick. The 7p-2a.7t is 7mm thick. So the 7t is thicker, a little heavier, and faster. The 7t is pretty fast.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tabletennisbets View Post
      Thank you very much for your answer, with yinhe I thought that if the name of the hinoki was kiso, the quality was good. Can you tell me 100% hinoki xiom models? I quite liked the Darker 7A but I am surprised by the price difference between one layer and 5/7 layers, the secret of the Japanese cypress is that it is 9-10mm and 1ply? Opinions about Nittaku septear? I'm only interested in new rackets, thank you very much!

      Currently playing with a Nittaku septear lead and it's a hinoki allwood blade, you get the nice feeling from the hinoki outer ply and the controlled but good speed from it. I've never had so much feeling as with this blade.
      The blade has a little lower throw but the spin potential is just massive. The handle is a little smooth so to say but not slippery and it fits nice in the hand. What can I say, Nittaku quality. It's a nice blade for the price and I recommend it.

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      Do you know any store where to buy darker apart from tabletennis11? I can't find stores with stock of this brand
      Thank you!!

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