Andro Nuzn 50 and 55

[jk1980]

As for sponge hardness, maybe.
But the 50 degree version is the least Chinese like hybrid I have encountered, if you consider the playing characteristics, and even the 55 degree version feels fine without booster according to a player who has used it for a while (4th league in Germany). On pro level, this might be a different story.

The fact that Andro themselves don't mention the term hybrid and just classify it as Tensor makes me think that expectations we all had for this rubber was more wishful thinking and it is probably just another 50+° rubber that was made to be played slightly easier than one thought.

Can you compare the nuzn50 with the mild hybrids like the Rakza Z? I am especially interested in any slow down/dampening effect in the short game and a clearly distinguishable point where you activate the sponge for the active game.

 

[Airoc]

a clearly distinguishable point where you activate the sponge for the active game.

Fortunately, it all goes quite seamlessly.

ANDRO didn´t use the term hybrid for the C Rasanter either, neither does Butterfly for the 09c rubbers or DONIC for BlueStar.

I think there are so many concepts now that this term applies to, from really sticky to slightly sticky, "typically" Chinese pimple structure on Tensor sponge, made in China topsheet stuck on Japanese sponge, you name it... - however the term "mild hybrid" is new to me.

From what I know about Rakza Z, it´s more dampening in the short game and much slower in the open game as well. I liked it a lot better than the first BlueGrip variants, for example, but it still felt too "Chinese" for me, in other words I would rather use a Battle 2 with a bit of booster, at a "two for one" price.

And having tried some rubbers labelled as "Hybrid" I probably would have concluded "Hybrid is not for me", as none of them really appealed to me fully. This one needs booster, that one sucks even when boosted, and the 3rd one falls apart after a week.

 

[Airoc]

expectations we all had for this rubber was more wishful thinking

I think it´s difficult to say who expected what.

I had been told by an ANDRO player that a new rubber was in the making, a brand new technology as a further development of the C Rasanter series. (Whether that is totally accurate and in line with what the product management would say, I don´t know.)

So I expected - or maybe I´d better say hoped for - a rubber that would out-perform the C-Rasanter (I´ve used C48) while being more easily playable, ideally (almost) like an R Rasanter (I love R48 and R47) . Job done, and more.

Now of course with the promise in the marketing of the rubber there is of course also a hope or an expectation for much better longevity, if not in absolute terms but in comparison to the main competition of NUZN, like K3 or d09c. Can it out-perform AND out-last them?

 

[Creek]

For me the question in comparison to butterfly is: are the nuzns a competitor for d05 or d09c?

D05 is quick and 100% non-sticky, d09c is slower, higher arc and a little sticky…

 

[Airoc]

are the nuzns a competitor for d05 or d09c?

As for direct comparison, I don´t have enough experience with the dignics rubbers.

In theory, NUZN may give users of both something they desire? It´s just because I can well imagine that for me NUZN 50 will replace both R48 and C48, as the playing characteristics sit somewhere in between the non-sticky and the slightly sticky Rasanter rubbers - so the d05 user could do with a grippier surface while retaining the speed, the d09c user might want more speed while retaining the spin? It´s guesswork, I know... - so may the tests come in ;-)

 

[FrenchFrog33]

Any users of Nuzn notice a similarity to Dignics 09C?

 

[jk1980]

from the early reports that is very unlikely.

Nuzn 55 is not sticky/tacky and does play softer than 55°, even being measured to be 52°. By Andros own marketing it is a fast rubber while the dignics 09c has a wider range of gears and is not considered to be one of the fastest rubbers.

 

[Creek]

Any new thoughts or reviews on this?

 

[jk1980]

My verdict after 5 sessions is that the Nuzn 50 is still just a tensor. In that range of tensor it might offer something new or desirable, but i can not understand who would need this one. Even though the base speed is not too fast, the early and easy acceleration curve is too "tensory" for me. Who would need the support of the catapult that early with so little power that you have to exert is beyond me. I am pretty sure that every better player and surely every pro player has way better strength and acceleration than me.

I don't want to play tensors anymore, since i do not like the missing feeling of resistance of actually hitting or brushing through something.

I would have been able to compare it with the Nuzn 55 which i ordered inside a test case from schöler micke, but they dissappointed me immensely. I had a phone call with them, because the rubber was not on the order form. The guy on the phone told me to just write it on the form. I did and i even wrote in the mail that i ordered with that the order is moot, if they can not send the Nuzn 55. They even have a special Nuzn test case that they advertise.

Long story short: the test case arrives WITHOUT Nuzn55 and they replaced the DHS Long 5 that i wanted to put the test rubbers on (to have something similar to my blade) with a fricking Andro Synteliac VCO (outer carbon) and they really wrote "as an alternative to the DHS HL5" which anyone with half a brain cell would know is stupid.

I will send the test case back unused and today removed the Nuzn 50 from my blade.

 

[NextLevel]

My verdict after 5 sessions is that the Nuzn 50 is still just a tensor. In that range of tensor it might offer something new or desirable, but i can not understand who would need this one. Even though the base speed is not too fast, the early and easy acceleration curve is too "tensory" for me. Who would need the support of the catapult that early with so little power that you have to exert is beyond me. I am pretty sure that every better player and surely every pro player has way better strength and acceleration than me.

I don't want to play tensors anymore, since i do not like the missing feeling of resistance of actually hitting or brushing through something.

I would have been able to compare it with the Nuzn 55 which i ordered inside a test case from schöler micke, but they dissappointed me immensely. I had a phone call with them, because the rubber was not on the order form. The guy on the phone told me to just write it on the form. I did and i even wrote in the mail that i ordered with that the order is moot, if they can not send the Nuzn 55. They even have a special Nuzn test case that they advertise.

Long story short: the test case arrives WITHOUT Nuzn55 and they replaced the DHS Long 5 that i wanted to put the test rubbers on (to have something similar to my blade) with a fricking Andro Synteliac VCO (outer carbon) and they really wrote "as an alternative to the DHS HL5" which anyone with half a brain cell would know is stupid.

I will send the test case back unused and today removed the Nuzn 50 from my blade.

Many 50 degree rubbers activate way earlier than 55 degrees hence my preference for harder sponge because it tends to activate with thicker contacts which I prefer. But the Nuzn might juat be marketing hype. Time will tell.

 

[obsidian d]

I have played couple of sessions with NZ 50 and i will compare with C53. NZ 50 has lower throw angle, despite C53 beeing harder on paper it feels like NZ50 is harder.Maybe it's due to the topsheet or pimple geometry i don't know.
The topsheet is not tacky at all but is wery grippy. Maybe i im not used to it still but is little bit harder to activate the sponge and put the ball on the other side of the table.Somehow I play easily with C53, that little bit od tack gives me more confidence. The only thing is durability, it is still early but after 3 sessions there is nothing on the surface.For refference I play with the new Vega China asia on backhand and the Vega it feels even more harder then the NZ 50 but i have no problems on the backhand due to the tackiness of the vega so i im pretty consistent. I will make some more testing and i will write again down the line.

 

[Fedex78]

FINALLY this afternoon I'll have a chance to try the NUZN 50 on my trusty 36.5 ALX.

I've read some contradictory reviews about it, so I need to try myself and give MY humble verdict.

Some facts:

Max black, it weights 72.5 gr uncut. I've put one white booster layer.

The topsheet is very slightly sticky, less than ZGX/C53/Glayzer 09C. The sheet protector is sticky as the one found in Glayzer 09C. Nevertheless NUZN 50 is definetly sticky, so to me it's different from classic grippy tensor.

NB. On BH I'll try Victas V>22 max 😱

 

[Migzkulit]

FINALLY this afternoon I'll have a chance to try the NUZN 50 on my trusty 36.5 ALX.

I've read some contradictory reviews about it, so I need to try myself and give MY humble verdict.

Some facts:

Max black, it weights 72.5 gr uncut. I've put one white booster layer.

The topsheet is very slightly sticky, less than ZGX/C53/Glayzer 09C. The sheet protector is sticky as the one found in Glayzer 09C. Nevertheless NUZN 50 is definetly sticky, so to me it's different from classic grippy tensor.

NB. On BH I'll try Victas V>22 max 😱

Oh lord that's a heavy setup there

 

[Fedex78]

Oh lord that's a heavy setup there

Yes man
193,7gr of pure, raw power 😎

Luckily it's summer break, there'll be plenty of time to come back just before the start of the season to 5-ply all wood plus vega europe both sides 🤣🤣

 

[Fedex78]

Big disappointment.

Throw is low, spin is good but nothing outstanding, C53 and ZGX are spinnier.

As far as speed, it's difficult to activate the rubber, but when you do it, the speed is below both C53 and ZGX. In general the quality of the ball is not what you'd expect.

It has a big con for me, slippering. I've experienced a good number of times where the ball would slip from the rubber, mainly during FH topspin open ups.
Another big con, I had the constant feeling of not grabbing the ball well when opening up in FH topspin.

After 1.5hours I decided to put the racket aside and used a racket with C53 on FH. What a difference.

If I think that I spent 60 euros for this rubber.....

 

[Airoc]

After 1.5hours

Give it a little time.
Mine felt good from the start, but really came to life on the second or third evening.

 

[Airoc]

One more month of matchplay, exercises, spin on spin/blocking with 1st league player, robot practice...

I am actually quite confident that the promise of extended longevity (compared to other hybrids) rings true.

Yes, pro players/better players will stress the rubber more and like I said above 20 hours spent practicing doesn´t mean twenty hours constant usage of one rubber, but it seems convincing.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Big disappointment.

Throw is low, spin is good but nothing outstanding, C53 and ZGX are spinnier.

As far as speed, it's difficult to activate the rubber, but when you do it, the speed is below both C53 and ZGX. In general the quality of the ball is not what you'd expect.

It has a big con for me, slippering. I've experienced a good number of times where the ball would slip from the rubber, mainly during FH topspin open ups.
Another big con, I had the constant feeling of not grabbing the ball well when opening up in FH topspin.

After 1.5hours I decided to put the racket aside and used a racket with C53 on FH. What a difference.

If I think that I spent 60 euros for this rubber.....

Have you tried K3 before? Can you compare C53, ZGX, and K3? Are these rubbers largely the same to each other?

 

[Creek]

I can’t confirm the low throw. In my opinion, the nuzn has a much higher throw than d05 and a little lower than d09c. So it’s quite high

 

[TensorBackhand]

Nice review by Iba Diaw:

Diaw says that Nuzn 55 is slow and you have to put your own effort into the shot. How slow is he talking about?

Is it slow like K3 or slow like unboosted H3?