Best Chinese sticky rubbers that don't need boosting

[Faker]

I buyed my G09C second hand in very good condition. I put it on fast blade and don't like it much. After that I put 1 layer of Falco Platinum, the hardness drop to 48 degrees and the dynamics impruved, unfortunately the mushy feeling remain on hard hits and was too jumpy on low. Only the middle gear is good for my taste. Overall I like it more than LAC and suggest @tay to tried it. Just for comparison and TT science.

If you use haifu instead of Falco, what would change?

 

[belllfador]

If you use haifu instead of Falco, what would change

I have Haifu White 2, tried it on H3 and several other rubbers. The boosting effect is stronger than FP, but after 2 weeks is gone completely. So, if the goal is one week top performance, boosting with haifu will make sense. FP is weak but doesn't evaporate at all. Whatever effect it has will be permanent. It is perfect for old ESN rubbers that shrink and/or has negative dome.

BTW Waiting for this Zyre 03 killer :

 

[oophyte]

I have Haifu White 2, tried it on H3 and several other rubbers. The boosting effect is stronger than FP, but after 2 weeks is gone completely. So, if the goal is one week top performance, boosting with haifu will make sense. FP is weak but doesn't evaporate at all. Whatever effect it has will be permanent. It is perfect for old ESN rubbers that shrink and/or has negative dome.

BTW Waiting for this Zyre 03 killer :
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Best Chinese sticky rubbers that don't need gluing​

 

[tay]

What was the best rubber for 1ply hinoki in your opinion? You played with chinese rubbers only? And did you play jpen?

Okay so just for context, I loveee 1-ply Hinoki with it's buttery-soft feeling. But I just feel I don't have the skill for them especially as I'm a looper. Also @Wakkibatty and @greenbeanmachine are wayyy more knowledgable than me for answering this question. But I'll share what I've found for sure and maybe it will be of some help ^_^

The blades I have tried:
- Pro Pro Moby 9mm, cpen
- Darker Speed 90 9mm, jpen
- Butterfly Senkoh 1 9mm, jpen
- Nittaku Miyabi 9mm, jpen
- No-name cheap one 8mm, cpen

The differences between them are like, a lot... But to keep things straightforward, the Moby/Speed90/Senkoh-1 were more alike, the Miyabi and Noname 8mm felt way different. Softer and I could always feel more vibrations on those than the former 3. The Noname 8mm was heaps slower than the rest, and the Miyabi was a bit slower than the former 3.

The rubbers I liked the most were those with soft sponges, with little catapult. Palio AK47 was nice but I didn't like that it had no tackiness. I went to Nexxus EL Pro 43 and it was so so good, but I bottom'd out way too much. PowerplayX 38deg and 39deg (boosted), Mercury II Soft (boosted, bottom'd out too much though like the Nexxus), H3 Neo 39deg (boosted) -- all were so nice and paired extremely well with hinoki's soft feel with no flex.

All the "tensors" I tried (T05FX, T80, D05, K3, G05, Fastarc G1, MXP) worked super well, they were just way too fast for me. I imagine someone would be able to practice and get used to it. Like arguably the best 1-ply hinoki playerl; Ryu Seung-min -- in a recent video he still recommends Tenergy for 1-ply hinoki.

Classic/Control rubbers like Sriver and Andro Good felt nice too, but not as good as the softer ones I mentioned above.

Hinoki gives plenty of power, so using the classic, soft, or chinese tacky rubbers helps tame that power while giving more of that yummy butter-soft feeling of 1-ply Hinoki. That's the main reason I enjoyed the softer sponge rubbers, but also because my playstyle is around looping. Hinoki excels if your playstyle is centered around hitting and drives. Especially with a tensor! Hits are SO powerful.

The biggest thing for any of the rubbers was to keep it 2.1mm or less, especially if I was boosting it. For some reason it doesn't let the blade effect of a Hinoki through -- and that's the biggest thing compared to multi-ply blades where they can flex. @Wakkibatty explained this here.

 

[belllfador]

TUTTLE 25 is on my table. Real 2.5mm sponge 😄. It comes in a vacuum sealed package, 63.3g without foil, 166x167mm square, factory boosted with a small dome. The sponge is 52 degrees shore O, with some life in it, but not as tensors. The surface has hint of tackiness and sliding the ball generates good brushing friction. Let's say step below B3. The topseet is very thin and feels soft. Pips are with rare horizontal orientation. Here is picture next to B3:

 

[merlin el mago]

It seems a clone of Zyre 03....

 

[tay]

It seems a clone of Zyre 03....

Yes totally! There's also a 2.7mm version ^_^

 

[belllfador]

Is very light for 52 degrees hardness, so I expect it to be slower. I am reading bad reviews for another high-thickness rubber, Apollo II. But let's see, I will test TUTTLE 25 this weekend.

 

[enoxzr]

Looking for some opinions/alternatives for a teammate of mine.

Last season he used Rxton 7 39deg and wants a rubber that is more controlled and a tad slower. He switched to Rxton 3 Pro, which he finds too slow and needs too much effort to hit, likely because its 40deg.

Anyone with an alternative to the Rxton 7 39deg, similar characteristics but a little slower and more controlled? I was thinking Bloom Power or probably Sanwei Gear Hyper?

 

[Tyce]

Looking for some opinions/alternatives for a teammate of mine.

Last season he used Rxton 7 39deg and wants a rubber that is more controlled and a tad slower. He switched to Rxton 3 Pro, which he finds too slow and needs too much effort to hit, likely because its 40deg.

Anyone with an alternative to the Rxton 7 39deg, similar characteristics but a little slower and more controlled? I was thinking Bloom Power or probably Sanwei Gear Hyper?

3 Pro goes very slow, then breaks in after quite a few hours, and fizz out within weeks. He might still be in the breaking in stage?

 

[lodro]

3 Pro goes very slow, then breaks in after quite a few hours, and fizz out within weeks.

Maybe we are talking again (as is custom for Loki) about 2 different versions of Rxton 3 pro.
I got 3 of them running now for over half a year and they are not slow and they do not break in and most definitely do not fizz out after a few weeks. They also all maintained there great stickiness.

 

[enoxzr]

3 Pro goes very slow, then breaks in after quite a few hours, and fizz out within weeks. He might still be in the breaking in stage?

He's been using it for about 4 weeks now, around 3 to 4 of hours per week. I would personally say thats past the break in stage, but is that also what you've experienced?

Maybe we are talking again (as is custom for Loki) about 2 different versions of Rxton 3 pro.
I got 3 of them running now for over half a year and they are not slow and they do not break in and most definitely do not fizz out after a few weeks. They also all maintained there great stickiness.

I reckon it's the "regular" as the AliExpress listing I bought it from does not state anything about it being a special/national/professional version

 

[Porta_07]

Looking for some opinions/alternatives for a teammate of mine.

Last season he used Rxton 7 39deg and wants a rubber that is more controlled and a tad slower. He switched to Rxton 3 Pro, which he finds too slow and needs too much effort to hit, likely because its 40deg.

Anyone with an alternative to the Rxton 7 39deg, similar characteristics but a little slower and more controlled? I was thinking Bloom Power or probably Sanwei Gear Hyper?

May be teammate should try H3N OS 38deg. Bloom power and Gear Hyper are not slow. PF4 OS is controlled and cheap rubber but topsheet is not quality.

I tested rxton 3 pro in same time with Artur China. And it was more speedy then ACH, sponge was 56 shore O (ACH 54-55) and topsheet was not so tacky as ACH. Topsheet was sux, ACH was more spinny

 

[belllfador]

I was able to spend some play time with TUTTLE 25 on Goriki Danshi FH. The speed is above slightly boosted H3 BS, comparable or a bit higher than XVC. Throw angle is high, let say again similar to XVC. Dwell time is very low, and cost me a lot of effort to adjust. Level of stickiness is low, same as the black H3. The spin is good, but due to low dwell, requires soft hands for service and overall active approach. Choping is possible, and short game is acceptable. There is hint of tensor effect, overall feel linear. FH flick is pure devastation. On BH is just too high throw for me. The main negative is the fragile sponge and topsheet. Removing the glue is ok, but stretching the rubber can break it. Clean cut edge is a must and some protective band. 49g without the glue, cut to 161x156mm.

 

[TTL]

Anyone tested Pinyi Cuifeng 3.5gen? Its a 2026 new version.