BREAKING: Ma Long & Fan Zhendong boycott CHINA OPEN!

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@rainneverever I can tell you are so butthurt of ZJK's fan girls. Yes, he has huge fanbase of the fan girls and majority of them do not care of tt but him. But you can't deny that his fans has contributed the tt tickets in the games and tv viewing rate as well. Every fanbase has crazy fans including ML fans. I just know that last year around Nov, a group chat leaded by site organizer from one big ML's fan site in China has attacked every CNT players, they called ZJK a handicapped/retarded person and their conversation has been released by his fan who can't tolerate the atmosphere and left the group chat. Even though ZJK fanbase is huge, his fan girls have never gone to that extent (crazy act leaded by major site organizer).

My advise to you, don't just eyeing on bad side of ZJK's fans. Most of them are young with a good heart...FYI, for the sandslide disaster with 100+ lives unknown, ZJK fans has contributed $427,523 so far to help out.
 
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I for one find still find it quite interesting because the entire event -- top Chinese players in any sport forfeiting as an act of protest -- is without precedent. But at the moment we are not getting much in the way of new facts. The ZJK aspect is not really interesting except as TMZ style gossip, which, actually a lot of people consume, kind of like porn (which also came up on this thread). I would hope that we could move away from the subject of fangirls and ZJK.

For now it seems like there is nothing concrete as to what will happen to the CNT players who still matter.
 
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There are refutes to what ZJK fangirls questioned about ML fangirls but you are blind to. And the thing is ZJK fangirls have been kept attacking ML, LGL, QZJ and so on PUBLICLY, not in some private chat groups.

And are you joking about the TV viewing rate of TT in China? Do you know which matches of Rio Olympic Games, 2017 WTTC, even 2017 Japan Open have the highest viewership? Don't make things up because it is so easy to prove you wrong.

@rainneverever I can tell you are so butthurt of ZJK's fan girls. Yes, he has huge fanbase of the fan girls and majority of them do not care of tt but him. But you can't deny that his fans has contributed the tt tickets in the games and tv viewing rate as well. Every fanbase has crazy fans including ML fans. I just know that last year around Nov, a group chat leaded by site organizer from one big ML's fan site in China has attacked every CNT players, they called ZJK a handicapped/retarded person and their conversation has been released by his fan who can't tolerate the atmosphere and left the group chat. Even though ZJK fanbase is huge, his fan girls have never gone to that extent (crazy act leaded by major site organizer).

My advise to you, don't just eyeing on bad side of ZJK's fans. Most of them are young with a good heart...FYI, for the sandslide disaster with 100+ lives unknown, ZJK fans has contributed $427,523 so far to help out.
 
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Yes, the fangirl topic is completely irrelevant. The only reason it was brought up initially was to suggest that some misinformation out there was being spread by ZJK fans. I do not know whether this is true but it seems at least plausible. However, everything else (whether or not ZJK is a good person, whether ZJK fans are good people, whether Ma Long fans' forum in china says nice or not-nice things about ZJK, etc, etc.) is of no value to this discussion.
 
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Yes, the fangirl topic is completely irrelevant. The only reason it was brought up initially was to suggest that some misinformation out there was being spread by ZJK fans. I do not know whether this is true but it seems at least plausible. However, everything else (whether or not ZJK is a good person, whether ZJK fans are good people, whether Ma Long fans' forum in china says nice or not-nice things about ZJK, etc, etc.) is of no value to this discussion.

Yes. Please. Let's try to get away from that part.
 
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To be specific, you are referring to the person who is in charge of Baidu Tieba of ML. And there are proofs that she did not attack ZJK. It was someone else in the forum.
Hear voices from both sides and then judge by yourself!

I just know that last year around Nov, a group chat leaded by site organizer from one big ML's fan site in China has attacked every CNT players, they called ZJK a handicapped/retarded person and their conversation has been released by his fan who can't tolerate the atmosphere and left the group chat.
 
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Dudes, please!!!!! Now I am begging you. Stop please.
 
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I think the simplest and most likely explanation is that the three players (ML, FZD, XX) genuinely feel that an injustice was done and that they were personally injured by LGL being fired, also they don't like being kept in the dark and not being consulted, and the fact that some are in a small business with him means that they trust him (they are certainly not investing money they would miss if they lost it). They may also believe that they have enough stature as players to be able to get away with this, whereas other athletes in China might not, and they may be fully aware that the GSA is now being run by a crazy person. It doesn't mean they are idiots. Now, have they miscalculated? Maybe, but I still think it might be a little too soon to know for sure. Does that mean that LGL is necessarily squeaky clean or the perfect head coach in every way? It does not. Those are somewhat separate issues.

How ZJK fits into everything is much more of a soap opera drama. He is pretty much irrelevant as a player at this point.

Yes, we all would not know the true story of their original intention/plan and the process...I just bring up another view of this boycott incident...

ZJK is like a drama to me. People surrounded him including LGL said he is quiet person but he can fit in so well in all the variety shows with different images. His technique/skills with the achievement of 445 days Grant Slam at his peak has secured his position in CNT in the early days, then his downhill of suffering all the injury, he earned a huge popularity and make his position uniquely in CNT.
 
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The problem is that, like what ZJK fangirls did in Weibo and Baidu TT Tieba, Ruoh made up things without evidence or told one side of stories.
For example, Ruoh suggested many shared investments for years among LGL, ML, M Lin and so on but failed to give proofs. While I can show proof of a hot-pot restaurant they joined 2 years ago with very limited amount of money. Then Ruoh started to imagine that LGL taking money from players' prize and commercials. Why don't you assume the players have to bribe LGL to win? Also like the CCTV viewership, ZJK's matches are not in the top 10 Rio events of all sports (#4, ML vs JM, #5 LXX vs AF, #10 China Women team vs Singapore women team) or not in the top 10 of 2017 WTTC matches (#1 ML vs FZD, #2 DN vs ZYL, #3 ML vs TM). I just don't know why people like to make things up.


Yes, the fangirl topic is completely irrelevant. The only reason it was brought up initially was to suggest that some misinformation out there was being spread by ZJK fans. I do not know whether this is true but it seems at least plausible. However, everything else (whether or not ZJK is a good person, whether ZJK fans are good people, whether Ma Long fans' forum in china says nice or not-nice things about ZJK, etc, etc.) is of no value to this discussion.
 
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In what I hope will not be a wasted effort to redirect the discussion BACK to the real issues, it seems to me that the following issues remain unresolved:

1. What punishments will be levied on FZD, Ma Long, and XX (and to a lesser extent to some of the other coaches like Ma Lin). Will it ever be possible for people not close to the CNT to actually even know?

2. Will these players compete in the next big platinum event, the Australian open?

3. Has the CTTA or anyone official said anything more specific about why they wanted to get rid of LGL, or is it all still just rumor and innuendo.

4. Is the criticism of Gou Zhongwen getting louder in the Chinese netiverse, or is it dying down? Will he keep his job, or will he get transferred to something like head of National Physics Research or something?

5. How are they going to reorganize the TT teams moving forward? Will the head coach actually be a former TT player or will they install someone from another sport or will they just not have anyone really in charge, and in that case, will they move towards a trial system for team selection at major world events that is more like other countries, or will they just use The Force?

This is China and transparency is not the first word that comes to mind. It is not the kind of place where we are likely to get answers to many of these questions anytime soon, except for the one about the Australian Open which is in early July.

As for ZJK, he is not relevant to any of those questions. It would be reasonable to start another separate thread about his future, I suppose. Since he probably has none in TT (especially without LGL) it might be a pretty short thread. In his prime he was one of my favorite players (as was KLH in his prime).
 
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The problem is that, like what ZJK fangirls did in Weibo and Baidu TT Tieba, Ruoh made up things without evidence or told one side of stories.
For example, Ruoh suggested many shared investments for years among LGL, ML, M Lin and so on but failed to give proofs. While I can show proof of a hot-pot restaurant they joined 2 years ago with very limited amount of money. Then Ruoh started to imagine that LGL taking money from players' prize and commercials. Why don't you assume the players have to bribe LGL to win? Also like the CCTV viewership, ZJK's matches are not in the top 10 Rio events of all sports (#4, ML vs JM, #5 LXX vs AF, #10 China Women team vs Singapore women team) or not in the top 10 of 2017 WTTC matches (#1 ML vs FZD, #2 DN vs ZYL, #3 ML vs TM). I just don't know why people like to make things up.

@rainneverever we can stop discussing about fan girls here and that's not what I want to command today.

Dude...I didn't make up the things...I just bring up another view of incident and to the end we all do not know what happen and they are so many voices...
 
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QZJ was no longer head coach of men's team when LGL was appointed as CTTA VP. The announcement said there will be no more chief coach and no more head coaches. In the CTTA apology letter, QZJ's title was exactly the same as M Lin's, "coach".

Let me add one question/issue to what Baal mentioned:

Since Qin Zhijian was one of the coaches who "forefeited" matches, is he going to lose his position as head coach of the men's national team? Is there a chance that the coaches will be punished more severely than the players?
 
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Hi everyone! I just joined the forum. I'm a Chinese student studying in US and I like to play table tennis (although my skill level is still very poor lol). I've learnt a lot from the forum in the past and now feel like I can contribute sth. to the discussion b/c I've paid very close attention to this incident and how it develops on Chinese media. Let me begin by trying to answer Baal's question. :)
 
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I bet FZD and XX will NOT play Australian Open. ML was not on the entry list at the first place.
Actually I think we can try to guess how long will they be banned from international tournaments. I will say 3 months.

In what I hope will not be a wasted effort to redirect the discussion BACK to the real issues, it seems to me that the following issues remain unresolved:
2. Will these players compete in the next big platinum event, the Australian open?
 
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1. What punishments will be levied on FZD, Ma Long, and XX (and to a lesser extent to some of the other coaches like Ma Lin). Will it ever be possible for people not close to the CNT to actually even know?
We don't know. Everyone is guessing. My guess is penalty money and suspension of international matches (AT LEAST 3 months, may be longer). Someone even guesses the punishment is to expel them out of CNT 1st team - then the top three players in the world will be in CNT 2nd team. How ironic.
Another thing worth considering is whether they will get double punishment from ctta/GSA and ittf. I don't know what role ittf will play in it and what side they are on. From the statement they sent on July 25 I feel like they are not on the players' side.
There's no public announcement about the punishment. But you guys all know they sent the apology letter - this is a sign indicating that their professional career as CNT players are not over. Let's hope for the best!

2. Will these players compete in the next big platinum event, the Australian open?
My guess is NO. But b/c the Australian Open is right on the corner, I believe the punishment announcement will be delivered before this tournament.

3. Has the CTTA or anyone official said anything more specific about why they wanted to get rid of LGL, or is it all still just rumor and innuendo.
No. This is the CORE of the whole incident. I'll integrate it with Question 5.

4. Is the criticism of Gou Zhongwen getting louder in the Chinese netiverse, or is it dying down? Will he keep his job, or will he get transferred to something like head of National Physics Research or something?
It's getting louder! People on weibo find all kinds of evidence showing how ridiculous some of his new policies are.

Let me get to the core of the whole incident. I'll try to present a more holistic picture. I'll point out facts and speculation.

Facts: Gouzhongwen wants to do reform on all Chinese sports teams. Getting rid of head coaches is one component of "reform" on Chinese TT team. Coaches work as a group and there will be one "lead coach". As a consequence, LGL left the team and was appointed VP of ctta (this position has no actual power at all), and QZJ lost his job as head coach of CNT men's team :(

Speculation: The three players are not fighting for LGL, they are fighting against the "reform".

Facts: As guys on this forum know, CNT has a long-lasting system to select, train, and develop players. The system is always Main coach (LGL) - Head coach (QZJ, previously LGL) - Coach (WH, M Lin, etc.) - Players. Players and coaches compete with each other but also help each other. Before and after big matches there will be a meeting in which all main players and coaches attend and everyone offers suggestions on each other about how to improve. There are rules and opportunities for young players to be selected into 2nd team, players in 2nd team to be selected into 1st team, players in 1st team to be selected to compete in big events such as WTTC (e.g., Marvelous 12 trials), etc. This whole system is apparently very successful - just look at how many medals CNT has won in OG and WTTC, and look at the fact that competitors in finals (e.g., ML and FZD) are practicing with each other right before the match.

Speculation: The "reform" will change many things about the team. Now there are no main and head coaches, officials in GSA can directly speak with the "lead coach" and intervene all aspects of CNT - how to select players, how to train players, etc. Remember that the lead coach is still one of the coaches and he/she don't have real authority. What will CNT be like in the future? Someone without expertise will lead and guide the whole team! How to guarantee that the best players will be selected and the whole team will have high cohesion?

My own words: The slogan of CNT is: the honor of the country is above anything. If the top three players don't speak up, they will still play as usual and they will not be affected very much by the reform - they are the best and GSA need them for OG and WTTC. Its the next generation that will be most affected. But they still speak up, with the potential to sacrifice their whole professional career in CNT. They speak up not only for LGL, but also for the team's future. That's why people on Chinese media treat them as heroes fighting for the country.

5. How are they going to reorganize the TT teams moving forward? Will the head coach actually be a former TT player or will they install someone from another sport or will they just not have anyone really in charge, and in that case, will they move towards a trial system for team selection at major world events that is more like other countries, or will they just use The Force?


 
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