BREAKING: Ma Long & Fan Zhendong boycott CHINA OPEN!

[Persistence TT]

I know it is off topic here and there is a whole thread of the players' income. Bear with me anyways. In a Chinese sports magazine Sports Weekly, 10 Chinese athletes were said to make more than 20 million CNY in 2016, including #1 Sun Yang (69 m), #2 ZJK (60 m), #3 Ning Zetao (swimmer, 35 m), #7 Lin Dan (30 m). I don't trust their estimates because they don't provide categorized income (like prize money and endorsements) and they don't include any soccer players. While quite a few people laughed at my analyses in the other thread.
However, in ESPN's top 100 athletes rankings which consider endorsements, internet searches and social media follows, only three Chinese athlete are on the list: #66 Ning Zetao(endorsements: 1.5 million USD), #71 ML and (endorsements: NA) and #88 Lin Dan (endorsements: NA).
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/worldfame100/espn-world-fame-100-top-ranking-athletes
Perhaps this tells something about how differently Chinese media and western media perceive numbers.

The espn has no numbers and its about popularity not money. and popularity is relevant. if you ask 100 argentinians who is the best soccer player in the world no one will say cristiano ronaldo

also "Quite a few people" should instead worry you and make you think a bit about how you present and perceive certain situations

 

[rainneverever]

Well, ESPN has its own methodology when trying to play with numbers. It is better than none.
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...fame-100-top-ranking-athletes#S1__Methodology

In terms of popularity of Chinese athletes in China, how come ML was the only TT players on the list? Maybe he gave coupons to ESPN editors for the hot-pot restaurant?

The espn has no numbers and its about popularity not money. and popularity is relevant. if you ask 100 argentinians who is the best soccer player in the world no one will say cristiano ronaldo

also "Quite a few people" should instead worry you and make you think a bit about how you present and perceive certain situations

 

[yourock]

Stupid or not, here is why I was "convinced" at some point by the "rumor" saying LGL was connected to possible corruption.
Haters could ignore what I'm about to write. For those who simply enjoy the entertainment of gossiping or curiosity, you may take words below as a joke.
First of all, in China, there's no doubt that political power is always associated with money. If not 100%, at least a super-big majority of officials' attempt to gain power is to GET MONEY. And corruption is such an easy excuse to use for taking someone off the chair. Gambling scandle isn't strong enough to crash KLH. On the other hand, to gamble, he has to have MONEY to gamble. The gambling scandle says KLH OWES money. For a gambler, only after he lost his own money in the pocket (also no doubt it's a large amount of money), then he would consider borrowing high-interest money from the casino. For a coach and former athelet, a couple of million RMB asset is a very conservative guess (in Beijing, a 50-square-meter second-hand apartment in downtown is worth around 5million RMB at least). So, one would think how much KLH exactly lost in the gamble and how much actually he owes. If he lost that much, where did he get all these money?

Again, corruption is in every corner of China. Similar to the kickbacks or cuts from sponsorship/endorsement in other sports organizations , it wouldn't surprise me if KLH and LGL are involved in similar shit.

I was and am not stating above rumor/speculation is true. Maybe we'll never know. Anything could be contained, no matter it's purely political purge or corruption scandle, if C party doesn't want you know, then you'd never know for sure. Also, both politics and corruption would get too many people involved, not one or two individuals. When it connects to too many people, these people at stake would be cautious before someone tries to uncover it.

 

[Persistence TT]

Well, ESPN has its own methodology when trying to play with numbers. It is better than none.
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...fame-100-top-ranking-athletes#S1__Methodology

In terms of popularity of Chinese athletes in China, how come ML was the only TT players on the list? Maybe he gave coupons to ESPN editors for the hot-pot restaurant?

hahaha nevermind dude, ur so full of it you dont even understand the whole point. all that espn did is some 10 minute research, they didnt even record the fans of ML on FB or even better at weibo, espn may be a big site but that does not make them credible enough and their so called "methodology" is simple this paragraph

We started with Forbes' annual list of the highest-paid athletes and expanded the pool from there using a variety of domestic and international sources to make sure we didn't overlook any legitimate candidates. (You can find the 2016 World Fame 100 here.) We also sought input from ESPN journalists around the world, including colleagues in our bureaus in Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Brazil, China, India, Mexico and the United Kingdom.

so in a few words, they copy opinions. and put them together. its just that and nothing more

To get my point about journalism credibility and facts read this example,

ttfrenzy writes a stupid article about top 10 tt techniques to attact views on his website and ttfrenzy is a small potato journalist who just loves tt. nobody pays attention cause ttfrenzy is nobody. being nobody with writing stupid pointless or making inaccurate researches have no relation to one another, as well as being somebody.

jorgen persson writes an equal stupid article about top tt 10 techniques for the same reason to attract views and earn money, but this time jorgen or ma long or whoever super hard fame player gets million views. and everybody praises him although the article is objectively stupid. because he is the world champ and what he says must be true.

So when I see NA in quite a few of the athletes, that makes ESPN's research inaccurate, besides who has the time to actually research and confirm and big sites like ESPN already know that.

The chinese people know better who they love and it goes for all the other countries

p.s. did you even read the article carefully??

Salary is not used as a factor because of differences among sports. For example, players in a league with a salary cap would be at an unfair disadvantage when measured against players in uncapped leagues. Endorsement dollars, however, reflect the ability to draw attention -- which is a good way to define fame.

"which is a good way to define fame"
rofl...nuff said !

 

[Persistence TT]

also they ahve NA in all ML's social media, either they dont know what weibo is , or they just put NA on it. They supposedly have journalists in china who are credible and they trust...rofl again!

We also sought input from ESPN journalists around the world, including colleagues in our bureaus in Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Brazil, China, India, Mexico and the United Kingdom.

When the chinese guys here like you post numbers about the CNT members money,followers,stories or whatever, I certainly trust them more than any western site. So I hope you get my point about credibility

 

[rainneverever]

"We started with Forbes' annual list of the highest-paid athletes and expanded the pool from there using a variety of domestic and international sources to make sure we didn't overlook any legitimate candidates. (You can find the 2016 World Fame 100 here.) We also sought input from ESPN journalists around the world, including colleagues in our bureaus in Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Brazil, China, India, Mexico and the United Kingdom.
The data for each athlete in the pool was then fed into a formula created by ESPN director of sports analytics Ben Alamar that weighs athletes' endorsements, their following on the social media Big Three (Facebook, Twitter and Instagram) and Google search popularity, producing a comparative ranking system. The analysis includes five categories: endorsement money, Twitter followers, Instagram followers, Facebook followers and Google Trends score. For special situations (esports and China) we used two additional categories: other social media -- for when the athlete was more relevant on a platform outside the Big Three (Twitch, for example, although no gamers made the top 100) -- and, in China's case, Baidu search score, because Google is blocked there."


Can you read the last sentence of the second paragraph?

also they ahve NA in all ML's social media, either they dont know what weibo is , or they just put NA on it. They supposedly have journalists in china who are credible and they trust...rofl again!
We also sought input from ESPN journalists around the world, including colleagues in our bureaus in Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Brazil, China, India, Mexico and the United Kingdom.
When the chinese guys here like you post numbers about the CNT members money,followers,stories or whatever, I certainly trust them more than any western site. So I hope you get my point about credibility

 

[Persistence TT]

lol dude i quit, no comment about my aarguements but you persist on baidu search. dont relate money with fame, two different things, is it so hard to understand that???

p.s. yes i did, did you read all the other paragraphs?

p.s2 also what kind of accurate formula is that that puts ML in no71 with NA in all categories???

p.s3 when u search an engine, you obviously put a timeframe about searching results, with "ML rebellion" being so fresh, do we know that timeframe? does it even exist?

most likely the guy who wrote this just wrote an email to his buddy in china and he told me "yeah dude ML FZD XX are really popular right now because they did this and that and blablabla im out for a beer now"

same situation when zjk tore his shirt of or didnt shake hands etc etc. i dont see any weibo followers, just paste them to me and I trust you

 

[Persistence TT]

for example ML when it comes to number of followers/fans (not only the ones at weibo or FB) is definitely more famous than simon biles around the world not just in china. but biles is on 48 and ML 71 , does that seem logical to you? cheers

 

[igorponger]

PENALTY INEVITABLE. WHAT PENALTY?

I'm still waiting ITTF reaction, anxiously. ITTF really baffled with the case, they have now got very difficult decision to make., ITTF did never before happen to deal with such massive player's misbehaviour., much like a rebellion, indeed...
Some possible measures to take:
--Monetary penalty
--Suspension from ITTF events for a while
--Both


OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY ITTF.

...For this reason, the ITTF is taking
this matter extremely seriously,
as this has damaged the image
and the integrity of table tennis
globally. Right now, all potential
sanctions are on the table, and
the ITTF will continue its
investigation before any
decisions are made.
The ITTF will also work closely with
its Athletes’ Commission to try
and get a better understanding as
to why this incident happened,
and provide education and
guidance to the players to ensure
such an incident does not happen
again in the future.

http://www.ittf.com/2017/06/25/upda...long-fan-zhendong-xu-xin-china-open-forfeits/

 

[tropical]

for example ML when it comes to number of followers/fans (not only the ones at weibo or FB) is definitely more famous than simon biles around the world not just in china. but biles is on 48 and ML 71 , does that seem logical to you? cheers

Not sure how you came up with the conclusion ML is definitely more famous than Simon?

 

[Trismegistus]

Who is Simon Biles? Lol.

 

[Trismegistus]

Ah, you meant Simone Biles. She's definitely more well known than Ma Long in the US by a huge margin. I don't have any good method for gauging international popularity, though.

 

[Persistence TT]

Not sure how you came up with the conclusion ML is definitely more famous than Simon?

one can simply do a research to find out. you dont have to be the ESPN to reach a safer conclusion

 

[Persistence TT]

PENALTY INEVITABLE. WHAT PENALTY?

I'm still waiting ITTF reaction, anxiously. ITTF really baffled with the case, they have now got very difficult decision to make., ITTF did never before happen to deal with such massive player's misbehaviour., much like a rebellion, indeed...
Some possible measures to take:
--Monetary penalty
--Suspension from ITTF events for a while
--Both


OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY ITTF.

...For this reason, the ITTF is taking
this matter extremely seriously,
as this has damaged the image
and the integrity of table tennis
globally. Right now, all potential
sanctions are on the table, and
the ITTF will continue its
investigation before any
decisions are made.
The ITTF will also work closely with
its Athletes’ Commission to try
and get a better understanding as
to why this incident happened,
and provide education and
guidance to the players to ensure
such an incident does not happen
again in the future.

http://www.ittf.com/2017/06/25/upda...long-fan-zhendong-xu-xin-china-open-forfeits/

whatever the penalty the players wont hurt much, who cares if they ban them from some pro tours.

 

[Persistence TT]

Ah, you meant Simone Biles. She's definitely more well known than Ma Long in the US by a huge margin. I don't have any good method for gauging international popularity, though.

to be exact MAYBE biles is more popular when one tries to measure fame with % and not numbers only. That is what I call statistic accuracy and is one of the reason why I disagree with rainenever "Statistical analysis" so much is because he intentionally does not take several factors into consideration, or he simply does not know how to make an accurate analysis about who is who etc

ma long has definitely more fans than biles that's for sure, but china is like 1.4 billions and the US 300 million people

So if 2/3 fans know biles and ma long they are equal and is more accurate way to express it BUT in numbers it is translated with millions of fans more

 

[yoass]

Ah, you meant Simone Biles. She's definitely more well known than Ma Long in the US by a huge margin. I don't have any good method for gauging international popularity, though.

Hm. Never heard of her.

 

[Baal]

Olympic gold medal gymnast (dominant performance, many golds including all around) in 2016. Possibly the most popular woman athlete in the US

 

[yoass]

Olympic gold medal gymnast (dominant performance, many golds including all around) in 2016. Possibly the most popular woman athlete in the US

Still doesn't ring a bell. Googled it, still no bell. Then again, I remember having to look up Brian Boitano as well, back in the days of Bigger, Longer and Uncut.

 

[Baal]

Stupid or not, here is why I was "convinced" at some point by the "rumor" saying LGL was connected to possible corruption.
Haters could ignore what I'm about to write. For those who simply enjoy the entertainment of gossiping or curiosity, you may take words below as a joke.
First of all, in China, there's no doubt that political power is always associated with money. If not 100%, at least a super-big majority of officials' attempt to gain power is to GET MONEY. And corruption is such an easy excuse to use for taking someone off the chair. Gambling scandle isn't strong enough to crash KLH. On the other hand, to gamble, he has to have MONEY to gamble. The gambling scandle says KLH OWES money. For a gambler, only after he lost his own money in the pocket (also no doubt it's a large amount of money), then he would consider borrowing high-interest money from the casino. For a coach and former athelet, a couple of million RMB asset is a very conservative guess (in Beijing, a 50-square-meter second-hand apartment in downtown is worth around 5million RMB at least). So, one would think how much KLH exactly lost in the gamble and how much actually he owes. If he lost that much, where did he get all these money?

Again, corruption is in every corner of China. Similar to the kickbacks or cuts from sponsorship/endorsement in other sports organizations , it wouldn't surprise me if KLH and LGL are involved in similar shit.

I was and am not stating above rumor/speculation is true. Maybe we'll never know. Anything could be contained, no matter it's purely political purge or corruption scandle, if C party doesn't want you know, then you'd never know for sure. Also, both politics and corruption would get too many people involved, not one or two individuals. When it connects to too many people, these people at stake would be cautious before someone tries to uncover it.

For sure corruption has been rampant in China. Chinese leaders at many levels have tried to deal with it (it is a genuine problem), but have also weaponized anti-corruption enforcement to eliminate rivals.

 

[NextLevel]

Hm. Never heard of her.

You just don't follow the Olympics generally. You would probably have never heard of Ma Long either if you were not a TT fan.