BREAKING: Ma Long & Fan Zhendong boycott CHINA OPEN!

[rainneverever]

Here is ITTF's rule of 25 penalty points for no show. Nothing serious. If the player has to withdraw BEFORE the match due to injury or illness or oversleep, he or she also gets 25 penalty points.
http://old.ittf.com/ittf_ranking/2017/2017_RDP.pdf
RANKING DEFAULT POLICY FOR NO-SHOWS
PRINCIPLE:When a player does not show up for a competition or for a match, the player will bepenalized by a flat 25 penalty points per “no-show” per tournament.
This would, however, affect only the first non-played match scheduled for that player withinthe tournament.
The flat 25 penalty points remain valid for a period of 12 months from the date ofimplementation.
The Bonus Points earned by a penalized player will not be affected, except that a player whodoes not play any match in an event cannot get Bonus Points for this event.

According to Xu Xin's coach Wu Jingping, CNT player are back to their provincial teams in prep for the National Games.
Xu Xin is in Shanghai, training.

 

[Persistence TT]

you guys consider 25 rating points "heavy" penalty?

 

[NextLevel]

you guys consider 25 rating points "heavy" penalty?

IT's not a penalty specific to anyone and was designed to deter no-shows from players. Remember when ZJK once played a few points before retiring vs Dima in a tournament last year or maybe two years ago? Some thought it was because the points he lost would have been smaller than if he had not played the match at all.

 

[Persistence TT]

IT's not a penalty specific to anyone and was designed to deter no-shows from players. Remember when ZJK once played a few points before retiring vs Dima in a tournament last year or maybe two years ago? Some thought it was because the points he lost would have been smaller than if he had not played the match at all.

Yeap I knew the rule beforehand I was just surprised by their comments. You have a point about ZJK I think it was the polish or slovakian open, polish more likely. Anyway I dont know if Im exaggerating but even as a general rule 25 rating points seem nothing to me, I would increase it to avoid no shows (if it was a real problem), but I guess its not a phenomenon that worries ITTF so the penalty is "soft" for a reason

My guess on the whole issue is that we will probably never know what will happen to the players, the story is slowly burried, let's see im curious

 

[rainneverever]

The no-show player will not lose rating points and will earn bonus points.
In China Open, the three all earned 24 bonus points for reaching R16. ZJK's withdrawl costed him 24 rating points while he earned 18 bonus points for that round.
If you know nothing about rating points, ML played and won 6 matches after WTTC and earned 21 rating points. FZD played 6 matches and won 5 （1 loss to ML）and earned 6 rating points. XX played 5 matches and won 4 （1 loss to ML）and earned 10 rating points.

 

[Baal]

Yeap I knew the rule beforehand I was just surprised by their comments. You have a point about ZJK I think it was the polish or slovakian open, polish more likely. Anyway I dont know if Im exaggerating but even as a general rule 25 rating points seem nothing to me, I would increase it to avoid no shows (if it was a real problem), but I guess its not a phenomenon that worries ITTF so the penalty is "soft" for a reason

My guess on the whole issue is that we will probably never know what will happen to the players, the story is slowly burried, let's see im curious

If enough time goes by and we don't see those players, it won't be buried! It will cause a storm.

But if rain is correct (and he has gotten everhtning right so far) we will see them again relatively soon and this will die down. The real interesting thing then is where LGL and KLH end up, and when Gou Zhongwen gets demoted again. Also if the GSA plans something weird in naming new CNT coaches.

 

[drunix80]

Here is ITTF's rule of 25 penalty points for no show. Nothing serious. If the player has to withdraw BEFORE the match due to injury or illness or oversleep, he or she also gets 25 penalty points.
http://old.ittf.com/ittf_ranking/2017/2017_RDP.pdf
RANKING DEFAULT POLICY FOR NO-SHOWS
PRINCIPLE:When a player does not show up for a competition or for a match, the player will bepenalized by a flat 25 penalty points per “no-show” per tournament.
This would, however, affect only the first non-played match scheduled for that player withinthe tournament.
The flat 25 penalty points remain valid for a period of 12 months from the date ofimplementation.
The Bonus Points earned by a penalized player will not be affected, except that a player whodoes not play any match in an event cannot get Bonus Points for this event.

According to Xu Xin's coach Wu Jingping, CNT player are back to their provincial teams in prep for the National Games.
Xu Xin is in Shanghai, training.

Eagerly awaiting for CNT to be back in action. I hope they will have some live stream of the national games.

 

[Persistence TT]

If enough time goes by and we don't see those players, it won't be buried! It will cause a storm.

But if rain is correct (and he has gotten everhtning right so far) we will see them again relatively soon and this will die down. The real interesting thing then is where LGL and KLH end up, and when Gou Zhongwen gets demoted again. Also if the GSA plans something weird in naming new CNT coaches.

Yes I never thought that they will stop them for playing, it will cause a big scandal and no one will actually earn anything big from such a decision , only to lose . You dont just end the careers of your 3 best players in the last wttc. My point was that their punishment will probably occur off the record something like LGL's fining money (not big amount but still fines) to his players in close training

 

[Baal]

I am sure they will find a way to make the punishment painful at several levels. Probably including money.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

"Unfortunately" is my thought...quitting is a stupid act.

Here, this is where you should be posting this stuff. Not in a thread about ZJK.

And I still want to know how you think ML, FZD and XX withdrawing from the tournament was an act of personal interest and not a protest.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Here, this belongs here too:

You must be kidding of what you typed...Who has confirmed that the players' accounts have been shut down...By Guo Bin? by you or anyone on website? so funny...really!

According to sources, the CNT have been told not to talk to the media and all their phones have been switched off...

Malong and Fanzhendong pulled out at China open. All the prayers' phone is switched off. It is kind of striking to support liuguoliang. All players phone are switched off. Big earthquake to chinese table tennis. We will see what are gonna happen soon.

https://view.inews.qq.com/a/SPO201706230396760H

Ma Long post deleted:

http://www.weibo.com/u/2751313073?refer_flag=1001030101_&is_hot=1

Full list of players who protested (posts were deleted by Sina Weibo sadly): Ma Long, Fan Zhendong, Xu Xin, Liang Jingkun, Lin Gaoyuan, Liu Yi, Zhou Yu, Fang Yinchi, Cheng Jingqi, Ma Te, Cui Qinglei, Yu Ziyang, Lv Xiang, Zhu Linfeng, Fan Shengpeng

The top 3 will be punished for sure. Best luck for them all!

His Weibo was not banned and he accessed his phone and Weibo some 3 hours ago.

Edit: He was on his Weibo around 9:30pm local time.

I don't judge him by not protesting and I will be surprised if he did. There are too many things he did on and off the court for me to judge him. lol

Rainever just posted it.

http://xw.qq.com/sports/20170623042419

I just used Google translate to get the sense of it.

 

[ouchouch]

The statement that the three of them withdrawing from China Open was an act of personal interest is the best joke I've heard this year.

Regardless of who will be in charge of CNT men's team, the new leader MUST rely on the top3 to earn medals in OG2020 - guys on this forum probably know (1) top3 are THE BEST in CNT (2) Chinese GAS care so much about earning medals in OG. Therefore, the three players will continue to get good resources including not not limited to training, medical treatment, opportunities to play in important matches. Put it in another way, the personal interest of the top3 will NOT be greatly impacted by this change in personnel.

But they still spoke up by protesting. They do this simply b/c they respect LGL and want LGL to get fair treatment. Some also analyzed that they do it for the CNT, because the new leader might destroy the whole system (training, selection, etc.) built by LGL - a system that has been proved to be very motivating and successful. That's why they are regarded as heroes on Chinese social media (Weibo).

Please stop spreading rumors and biased personal judgment on this forum. China National Games is about to start and let's all cheer up for the amazing players on court!

 

[bairimemzizi]

This will be my last post here. I talked about one's interest because I believe LGL has a huge influence power as a head coach. His power is not only in CNTT Team, he has his own social media team to put out all kind of news, misleading the public speech (also you will recognize the news if it's written by his team....with reporter name )

Considering his full-control of everything including finance, administrative, publicity and technique resources in CNT for all these years, all tt players are afraid of him and obtain benefit by listening to him. Once he got remove from CNT, what has been settled within the group will be cut-off and things will change.

In Chinese social media, I have seen a lot of similar statements like those made by Ruoh Leong, and they have one thing in common -- without proof.

Some ZJK fans insistently depict LGL as a selfish autocrat, according to their imagination. No evidence shows that tt players in CNT are under the control of LGL. None. Those are just tt players, not actors onscreen. Judging from interviews, photos and videos of CNT, they respect LGL other than being afraid of him or under the control of him. Chen Qi, now the Head Coach of Jiangsu Province, also strongly supports LGL. He has his own career locally, and acts out of his respect to LGL.

About social media team. On one hand, I have no clue of LGL's so-called social media team, not to mention "misleading the public speech". On the other hand, ZJK is the one who known to have his own studio. Having one's own studio or social media team is fine. But it is really interesting when Ruoh Leong claimed without evidence that LGL misled the public under this situation. More importantly, the public was so angry after the boycott mainly because GSA was hiding information and stopping people from talking about the boycott and LGL's dismission. Posts about the boycott were deleted. Forwardings and comments could not been viewed. This is what irritated the public. Just like the final decision on KLH, or the reason to dismiss LGL, GSA decided to hide the truth and pretended that nothing had happened. People like Ruoh Leong or speakers for GSA keep saying that there are big problems inside CNT and LGL has big problems. Why not provide evidence? Why not tell us the truth? Can I say that they don't have evidence and they are trying to mislead others?

It is easy to make up stories. But stories are stories ...

 

[bairimemzizi]

Since you come from China, you know I didn't make up the story about LGL's social media connection. When LGL was head coach in CNT, he has reporters writing the news in his favour regardless if the new misleaded or not...I even can come up a list of those reporters. It's meaningless to argue this point with you today because I can't see he has chance to come back to CNT in near future...will see...

ML has promoted a product Kiehl's to his fans with special limited offer of 200 sets or 300 sets (I can't remembered exactly total sets in the activity). At the end of the activity, the total sets being sold is less than 25.... What a purchase power of his fans!

I come from China, and I have no idea of such list of reporters, not to mention "has the reporters writing" (seriously, were you inside his room or eavesdropped his phone or hacked into his computer? Had the reporters writing the news in his favour hahaha nice imagination) or the misleading behavior.

More importantly, I know in China (perhaps in the whole world) which side usually has powerful influence in media. And your connection between the poor reporters under control (if exist) and boycott case is apparently questionable. After the dismission of LGL, especially after the boycott, all discussions are forbidden in social media. If one really went over those days, one would know how GSA blocked social media and didn't allow for discussion about the case. No one other than GSA's speaker could directly write news and one could not even viewed posts about the topic. The side which could freely make their voice heard was GSA, if you have memory. And this is what irritated the public. No need to have your so-called misleading media, the public spontaneously stand by the players and coaches' side because no one like to be muted and blindfolded in such rough way.

And about ML sell things. I don't have the idea of this but judging from your words I strongly suspect you cannot tell the difference between "selling things to fans" and "promote a product". The difference lies in whether one can share bonus from the behavior...

One thing I need to point out, whether LGL has chance to come back to CNT has nothing to do with the truth. We don't know the truth does not mean rumors are allowed. Let me make a comparison. We don't know the truth why ZJK was sent back to his province in his early days, can we make bad guess and put that in a forum? Could you have any common sense?

 

[Baal]

What about the mud wrestling Girlz video Carl? You deleted it from the other thread (for good reasons I have to admit) but it belongs here as an allegory of the battle between ZJK's fan(girls) and people who for whatever reason appreciate other players. For posterity.

Crips and Bloods they are.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

BREAKING: Ma Long & Fan Zhendong boycott CHINA OPEN!

What about the mud wrestling Girlz video Carl? You deleted it from the other thread (for good reasons I have to admit) but it belongs here as an allegory of the battle between ZJK's fan(girls) and people who for whatever reason appreciate other players. For posterity.

Crips and Bloods they are.

Here you go Baal. I think I found the post you meant:

How about putting some mud in the midst ... here you go Baal ... .Enjoy !

I tnink we are all uplifted by that.

Sent from The Subterranean Workshop by Telepathy

 

[Baal]

Carl, we can all agree that this makes forums great.

 

[rainneverever]

http://xw.qq.com/sports/20170829020596/SPO2017082902059600
What did ML, XX and FZD do during 66 days away from the court?

 

[yoass]

http://xw.qq.com/sports/20170829020596/SPO2017082902059600
What did ML, XX and FZD do during 66 days away from the court?

Translation gets me a sense of the content, but not that much of the tone and the plot between the lines. Rain, what do you make of it, all that talk of boredom, extended discussions of Ma Longs injuries in the long, hot Beijing summer, marriage, hopeful girls out to get Fan Zhendong, or the happy familiy of Wang Hao?

 

[Suga D]

Translation gets me a sense of the content, but not that much of the tone and the plot between the lines.

Googletranslate just gave me some jibberish which was nearly impossible to understand.