China Smash 2024, Beijing, 9/26-10/6

[zeio]

honestly, your posts are all too long, with too much links and pictures often, so I just jump through it (i don't have the energy or time like you to spend on forums)
i don't really know what your question is, but your logic is flawed and I surely don't need to justify myself for your flaws?

because CNT can retire its players, it does not give you the privileged to do the same for other countries players, even if it is on table tennis forum
who do you think you are?
because China is the number 1 country in TT, you can bully other players on the internet?

CNT retiring players is a sad but silence topic and yet you go on for years about retiring some of Japanese greatest ever.
as I said, you are just a couch potato, and have something against Japanese womens for what ever reason unknown to me. But end of the day, Ito is there on her own merit and she does not need to make way for a player that plays 3 events in 200+ days in 2024, or even loose to Korean players for other players to have a chance.

sports is about fair competition, you not good enough, then go cry in the background and come back and beat the stronger player.
Ito is ranked high due to her ability and her paricipation, not some corruption and should be investigated.
you are asking for highly ranked players to retire, because you don't like her here or there or whatever.
its sports competition, not a popularity contest for petes sake

and for the player you want to have played in Smash, well, she needs to take part in more WTT and up her rating...
3 events in 2024 at time of entry deadline for Smash....while every one else is 5 to 7 times that.
and here you go jumping up and down and blaming it on Ito....
i'm glad your kids are not on the WTT circuit, Karen like mom approach

Stop wasting my time then, when you keep dodging my questions while I keep rebutting yours.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Stop wasting my time if you keep dodging my questions while I keep rebutting yours.

i have no idea what is your question.
but will you stop with the retiring?

where is that post where someone ask for you to retire, best post of this thread (maybe you can help me find it, since you like digging)

when you waste your own time, stop blaming it on me, you a grown adult (no?)

 

[mcfly]

i actually want to see the WTT TTDSmash final between Zeio and Tony

 

[blahness]

Ma Long second only to FZD? Remember, ML's overall record H2H against FZD is better, not just a little better. Actually, FZD completed his grand slam only at Paris(where ML didn't even play the event) is a testimony how ML had been dominated him over the years considering FZD started competing at the highest level at 16. You can say, ML's age has something to do with it.

In table tennis, individual offensive technique, mainly forehand and backhand power, is not enough to win your games against a great player.

That is why I said at this current time, not at other times (where you are correct that Ma Long has been quite superior to FZD)....

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

i actually want to see the WTT TTDSmash final between Zeio and Tony

probably a good thing to silence him once and for all
but he would want me to retire to make way for others, (hint, like him)

 

[travelt123]

Chinese robot? LOL. He is the most agile player in history, far, far away from being robotic. I guess people call him robot is because he has the perfect strikes most of the time, making very few mistake or being put in a awkward position which has a lot to do his out-this-world agility and anticipation.

Even being a “robot”, he single handedly helped force the retirement of Wang Liqin, Ma Lin, and Wang Hao(to an extent).

 

[zeio]

Oh, Hayata sure did. She complained back in 2018/2019 about having to fly across the world to play Challenge events and T.League matches that her head was spinning. I will see if I can find that article.

Here is the article, plus another two in which Hayata gave a recap of 2019. Took me a while to dig up the first one as the original source has been removed.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-294684
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-297678

She touched on those difficult times in 2021.
「今までの人生で一番大きな挑戦だった」13日間。悔しさを糧に、変わらなければいけないと思った瞬間/早田ひな
https://www.sekisui.co.jp/sports/article/column_hina_03.html

And here is my argument for Hayata's case when she was in the same situation as Hirano, struggling to catch up in WR with a different starting line.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-298890

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Even being a “robot”, he single handedly helped force the retirement of Wang Liqin, Ma Lin, and Wang Hao(to an extent).

Just imagine if CNT didn't have the mentality to force retirement (like its fans has), and actually allow players to have total freedom.

they always talk about olympic cycle and if you not in it, you must retire. just image if it doesn't work like that.
Ma Long got delayed big time by the Wang Wang Ma, what if they stayed on for another 3 to 5 years.....
Maybe Ma Long's record would not be so pretty.

a young ma long was not able to really "retire" the WWM, but rather, with WWN gone, it was Ma Long's for the taking, until ZJK decided he need to make a name for himself.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Here is the article, plus another two in which Hayata gave a recap of 2019. Took me a while to dig up the first one as the original source has been removed.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-294684
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-297678

She touched on those difficult times in 2021.
「今までの人生で一番大きな挑戦だった」13日間。悔しさを糧に、変わらなければいけないと思った瞬間/早田ひな
https://www.sekisui.co.jp/sports/article/column_hina_03.html

And here is my argument for Hayata's case when she was in the same situation as Hirano, struggling to catch up in WR with a different starting line.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-race-to-tokyo-2020-singles.20935/post-298890

i didn't click any of these
so who must retire now (whats the latest update/counter?)
hayata?
ito?
hirano?
miwa?

 

[zeio]

i didn't click any of these
so who must retire now (whats the latest update/counter?)
hayata?
ito?
hirano?
miwa?

It was a reply to Shine. So keep to yourself. Don't be a butthurt creep and stalk me now.

 

[NextLevel]

12-10 in the fourth against Zeng looked totally smooth victory..

The word "largely" is there for a reason if you read carefully.

 

[NextLevel]

ML could have probably achieved much more without the ban from CNT. One more WTTC title and Olympics gold might be possible.

And the ML today, I don't see anyone can beat him, even the primetime FZD.

That's FZD's fault, not Ma Long's, IMHO. If FZD had a stronger mindset, we wouldn't be debating this, FZD has the technical skillset for sure.

 

[Wrighty67]

That's FZD's fault, not Ma Long's, IMHO. If FZD had a stronger mindset, we wouldn't be debating this, FZD has the technical skillset for sure.

I’ve always thought FZD mental game was a big strength of his. In my view what sets ML apart from most of his fellow players is his tactical game and ability to read and then make subtle changes to what he’s doing - high TT EQ.

 

[rpb23]

i actually want to see the WTT TTDSmash final between Zeio and Tony

For the honor of 'who is the greatest couch potato' in the forum?

 

[rpb23]

Just imagine if CNT didn't have the mentality to force retirement (like its fans has), and actually allow players to have total freedom.

they always talk about olympic cycle and if you not in it, you must retire. just image if it doesn't work like that.
Ma Long got delayed big time by the Wang Wang Ma, what if they stayed on for another 3 to 5 years.....
Maybe Ma Long's record would not be so pretty.

a young ma long was not able to really "retire" the WWM, but rather, with WWN gone, it was Ma Long's for the taking, until ZJK decided he need to make a name for himself.

Wang Wang Ma were forced to retire and they couldn't stay for another 3 to 5 years. At that time, Ma Long, ZJK and XX regularly kicked their asses. In China team, once you reached the top, you have to keep winning until the next tier players kick you out. The reason ML has not retired at old age is he kept top shape and winning.

 

[NextLevel]

I’ve always thought FZD mental game was a big strength of his. In my view what sets ML apart from most of his fellow players is his tactical game and ability to read and then make subtle changes to what he’s doing - high TT EQ.

To be fair he faces Ma Long in practice more than I will ever know but it was clear after the Tokyo Olympics he had ceded the GOAT coneptiton to Ma Long to the point the CNT held Ma Long back from coming to Houston so FZD could win a WTTC and stop agonizing over not having a major. That is what I am talking about

 

[rpb23]

To be fair he faces Ma Long in practice more than I will ever know but it was clear after the Tokyo Olympics he had ceded the GOAT coneptiton to Ma Long to the point the CNT held Ma Long back from coming to Houston so FZD could win a WTTC and stop agonizing over not having a major. That is what I am talking about

Any hard evidence CNT holding ML for the sake of letting FZD have an easy time for the WTTC title? FZD did win multiple WTTC titles including the one with ML in it, didn't he?

 

[NextLevel]

Any hard evidence CNT holding ML for the sake of letting FZD have an easy time for the WTTC title? FZD did win multiple WTTC titles including the one with ML in it, didn't he?

The question itself is weird. What kind of evidence would satisfy you? Why would you need to hold the older players back to give the younger players a chance to prove themselves if they were completely ready to beat the older players?

 

[rpb23]

I watched the highlight of the match between XP and LSD. I have to say, it's very entertaining and exciting with so many high quality rallies. The match was dynamic, full of vitality and energy between two very promising young stars. I can not wait to see more rematches between the two.

In defeat, XP played a very impressive and great game. He gave LSD all he could handle. I would say XP defeating Moregard was not by luck. XP's most improvement came from a much improved backhand and his willingness to use it. Though his backhand still is not as powerful as LSD's but very steady. How many time during the match, XP withstood several backhand assaults from LSD and forced him to commit an error?

XP's game reminded me the playing style of a younger version of one legendary player: solid backhand that's hard to penetrate, great and consistent forehand for points? If your guess is Ma Long, we are on the same page. Of course, XP is not nearly as polished as ML, but the style is similar.

 

[rpb23]

The question itself is weird. What kind of evidence would satisfy you? Why would you need to hold the older players back to give the younger players a chance to prove themselves if they were completely ready to beat the older players?

Official news report/document, Ma Long's official statement/talk that he was forced to withdraw? Other than that, it's all rumors.
As a very old player(Chinese standard), after a grounding Olympic, ML wanted to take a long break, it's quite understandable.
Plus, after winning so many titles, adding one more WTTC title didn't provide as much incentive as FZD would.
Skipping one WTTC title for the potential benefit of prolonging his legendary career is well worth it.