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Been meaning to do this but got some footage from last night playing a club mate Xiao.

While I want to say that I "should win" vs him based on experience, I know the trap you can fall into going into games thinking you should win because if you do that, then naturally there are matches you know you shouldn't win. Best to just play and see what happens. At least that's a mentality I'm trying to develop.

That being said, this is one of my first matches playing not just twiddling penhold (been doing that a long time) but playing primarily the long pip game on my forehand. Formerly short pip player.

Feel free to leave any feedback that should help my game.

Also understand that Xiao usually plays better than this. Long pips if your'e not use to them can make you look worse than you really are.

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While I want to say that I "should win" vs him based on experience, I know the trap you can fall into going into games thinking you should win because if you do that, then naturally there are matches you know you shouldn't win. Best to just play and see what happens. At least that's a mentality I'm trying to develop.

This is a VERY good mentality to have that I think a lot of people need to adopt, I am not afraid to admit losing to opponents who I have underestimated in the past :)
 
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This is a VERY good mentality to have that I think a lot of people need to adopt, I am not afraid to admit losing to opponents who I have underestimated in the past :)


I like to say that Ratings and levels don't play matches, people do. IT's easy to focus too much on yourself when you think you are supposed to win and forget that you still have to find things that your opponent doesn't do well to get points.
 
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I am sorry to say that, but most videos i saw here aren't showing me a really good playing style, maybe of this last 2 pages the video of Boogar is the best one, but the rest it is like i am playing in my worst day, even in my worst day i play better than you do, but thanks for the videos, it shows what is the difference now.

Don't ask me for videos, because me and my opponents here don't like to take videos of us practicing or playing mostly, one day if i have the permission then i will show, but it is making me a big relief to know that i am better than most out there even if i lose a lot.
 
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You all are a chatty bunch on the weekends!! LOL Playing catchup.

Archie, I am only going to answer one question:

One of the biggest advantages of the penhold grip is the mobility of the wrist for short game.

Agreed on the PH's wrist mobility. One of my shadow drills is to block to my right and then immediately block to my left and vice versa. Wrist is very mobile.

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That is my NYC Subway penhold skills. Both angles seem easy to me.

Hardcore Carl! Whips out blade and snaps pix in the subway! And WTF at the subway passenger across from you wearing slippers in cold weather lol

Including the very well spoke and magnanimous OSPH.

*looks up magnamious* LOL at Carl using them $10 words on me!

With OldSchool, the main thing I did with serves was spin/no-spin because the combination allowed me to get good third balls to open on. I also believe that 42&BP told him after: "You need to learn to read no-spin serves." [emoji2]

Well, maybe that was because of the doubles matches too. [emoji2]

Yeah, i'm 500 at serve receive sometimes. And especially no-spin serves. Whole 'nother level for me to learn as well as do. I'm still trying to decipher spin serves and sometimes get lucky reading them right and able to return.

42andbackpains definitely said it during our doubles matches as Der, PingPongHolic and you figure me out easily. Also quite possibly also during our singles from further back too.

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Here is the latest footage of my pendulum serve. When I serve it long and fast (not shown here per se), I have actually gotten players to go into a trance wondering what the heck is up with the backspin version as it swerves through the air.

Looking good Sir! I still feel uncomfortable with the short motion pendulum serve, but I'm still working on it. I think I'm also working on another aspect of my serves at the same time which is throwing me off. Probably should tackle one aspect at a time. Subconciously I fear standing very close to the corner of the table thinking i'll hurt myself. Despite watching Xu Xin and other pro players who even has their left leg touching the table, i still can't get over it. But i think for now, i will just work on the short motion with an eye towards serving no spin easier in the future than my accustomed long motion pendulum serve.

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Reverse Tomahawk for the win at 5:26 :D

Revers backhand serve at 18:24 :D

Excellent reverse tomahawk! Back in da day, a friend used to love the tomahawk serve and would throw that in once in a while and catch me sleeping sometimes.

WHOA! nice reverse bh serve! That would get me! My first time seeing that from a SH. I saw a PH practicing serves on the next table as I was playing once. Also I don't recall whom, but i saw a modern ph serve that in a pro match.

Congrats on your 2 wins despite team loss.

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Very cool Der! Congrats!!

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Shuki,

Thank you for the share of your early days!

If you told me back in the lat 1970's-early 1980's that one day i would have a small phone that could take pictures as well as take video and countless i would think you bonkers. Thankfully perhaps, no videos exist of when I was a beginner lol

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First time playing since 24/10 but have been skipping 15-30mins each day and felt lighter on my feet.

I jump rope for my martial arts workouts and it's amazing how light I feel. It has helped my MA somewhat... not seeing it help my TT just yet. Although walking to pick up balls, i'm very light on my feet LOL

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I am happy you signed up. Try to play people widely, start with weaker opponents as their balls will have less spin and they will be more predictable so you can attack them as confidently as you want to. The focus is on playing a quality shot, either heavy spin when low, or heavy spin and/or pace when the ball is high. Use spin avoidance, whippy strokes and racket head speed with lots of thick or thin brush, thin brush when you need to bend or place the ball with precision and keep it low. Use your body to loop the ball, not just your hand. Loop almost as if you are doing a cartwheel and see how fast and spinny you can make the ball when you do a forehand. See how much spin you can generate with that kind of stroke while keeping the ball short and slow. Then you will see that many balls you are pushing are really balls you can attack hard. Then since you move very fast, you will be able to select the balls you want to use full body loops on. And as your technique gets better, you won't need full body loops to get quality in rallies, but you will feel the use of your body when doing small strokes.

Sage advice! Much to work on for me. Thank you Sir! My challenge is that many of the club members know me by now and generally with lower-skilled players, I end up blocking for them and they know if we played a match, i generally would win so we don't play matches.

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I have been working on keeping the impact point lower on my serves like Der Echte showed me when I was in D.C. and it is starting to be more habit rather than something I have to constantly think about. By reading the posts and watching the videos of the players here in this forum I have finally managed to start assimilating some better techniques and strategies. My gains have been small but I am slowly starting to gain some consistency and a stronger mental game.

Excellent Sir!!

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Thanks:) are you implying I have to do one now :p ?


DOOOOO EEEEET!!!!

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I am sorry to say that, but most videos i saw here aren't showing me a really good playing style, maybe of this last 2 pages the video of Boogar is the best one, but the rest it is like i am playing in my worst day, even in my worst day i play better than you do, but thanks for the videos, it shows what is the difference now.

Don't ask me for videos, because me and my opponents here don't like to take videos of us practicing or playing mostly, one day if i have the permission then i will show, but it is making me a big relief to know that i am better than most out there even if i lose a lot.

Quick question Tareq, here is some footage of a friend of mine who is a little higher level than me. He is a mid-level player. Not too bad. Not super great.


How do you think you are in comparison to the level of these guys?

By the way, did you ever see the videos when Boogar and NextLevel played? Who do you think would win if Boogar and NextLevel played a match?


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Neglected to post last week...

Skipped Weds. Wife had to go out and I had to go to home to cook dinner. Thurs, she had to go out again. Got to club early and played 30 mins or so. Went home to cook dinner for our kids afterwards.

The weightlifting area is under renovation, and i was at the club early and it was empty... too empty... i tried hitting the ball, but kept missing... i have a lot of mental baggage somehow... I mentioned something on ttpshot's photo that wide open spaces sometimes makes me feel weird. I need barriers and enclosed areas to play. Don't know how to describe it other than that. Also, maybe with 1 night off, my timing was off? LOL at me missing one night and everything is missing.

Plus perhaps playing with the new racket (now a little a month old), other's comments of it being too light is in my head now. The first night I played with it, I was doing ok with it, then the 2nd night i played with it was at my club and some clubmates noticed the new racket and asked to check it out and all commented it was too light. LOL at me.

Past few weeks, have had a sore right deltoid/shoulder. Been ignoring it, chalking it up to slow old man recovery and perhaps playing too much. Wife also complained a bit that i get home too late.

Shouldn't be going tonight, but will see if i can play 1 hour or so and go home. May need to rest my shoulder more than I think. I don't take pain killers in general for recovery. But it's a fact of life that i'm older and my body is taking longer to heal.

If i play a match, will continue to work on:

1) serving short pendulum motion - specifically backspin and sidedown
2) looking for 3rd ball looping

Noticed last week, playing a higher level player my transition after hitting a FH to go to my BH, i missed my BH blocks/punches. Not sure if it's me, the blade, or my opponent. Will need to monitor more.

Have a LP Ox on the backside. Will not be using it in play, using it for a little added weight. Have shaved the wings by the handle and feeling better gripping the blade now.

Starting noticing my PH callouses are coming back. Ages ago my thumb and middle finger had callouses from playing PH style. then 30 yrs of no TT callouses went away. Playing again after the absence for a little over 1x/week for a year, and most recently, went to 3x/week, my callouses are back. LOL

Guessing modern PH have no callouses?







 
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That's okay TareqPhoto.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. I'm glad that you're superior to most of all the videos you see here on the last couple of pages. Sounds like you have a lot of self worth wrapped up in this game so good for you. You seem like a real classy guy. :)

Truth of the matter is that no matter where are, table tennis is a spectrum and we all fall somewhere in the middle. There are players who are further along and players who are not. No matter how much you practice, that will always be the case. So it becomes a personal journey with how far you can progress with your time & resources. Have to keep it in prospective.
 
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I am sorry to say that, but most videos i saw here aren't showing me a really good playing style, maybe of this last 2 pages the video of Boogar is the best one, but the rest it is like i am playing in my worst day, even in my worst day i play better than you do, but thanks for the videos, it shows what is the difference now.

Don't ask me for videos, because me and my opponents here don't like to take videos of us practicing or playing mostly, one day if i have the permission then i will show, but it is making me a big relief to know that i am better than most out there even if i lose a lot.

This has to be the funniest post I have read in a while. Gotta go to Dubai some day and train with all these great players.
 
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This has to be the funniest post I have read in a while. Gotta go to Dubai some day and train with all these great players.

Yeah, for context, you guys should know that Tareq has not been playing very long. In the two coaching sessions he wrote about here on the forum, he complained that all that happened was that the coach yelled at him and that the coach kept telling him he was holding the racket the wrong way.

He also spent a lot of time complaining that he could not figure out how to return serves with his BH and was asking about rubbers that he could return serves with and yet still play like he had Tenergy on the topspin part of the game.

My best guess is that Tareq has not seen footage of himself play.

But still, footage can be deceptive. There are plenty of guys who are quite high level and look like they are no good. And then there are plenty of guys who look amazing but are not very high level.

Here:

How about these guys? What level would you think they are?


I'm wondering if Tareq is better than these two guys also.




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Quick question Tareq, here is some footage of a friend of mine who is a little higher level than me. He is a mid-level player. Not too bad. Not super great.


How do you think you are in comparison to the level of these guys?

By the way, did you ever see the videos when Boogar and NextLevel played? Who do you think would win if Boogar and NextLevel played a match?


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Well,thanks for that video!

Compared myself to them i will say i am very close to their levels, sometimes better and sometimes less, but not not far behind at all, i played with many players in same their levels or even higher, i won some and lost to some, so i can say i am in closer level, but this is different playing style than nextlevel or boogar are playing, so if some videos are showing your real playing style then i am really sorry to misjudge you, then post that serious playing of you if you posted this video, so you are trying to say that those two players you and nextlevel can defeat then show me those videos???

At the end, i didn't see all the videos in this thread, but most of what i saw is from nextlevel and boogar and you Carl, and it didn't show me that kind of really skilled or higher level style, i played with a lady that i beat her many times playing better than you, so either i didn't see the real serious of your playing style or what i saw already is just you passing the time having joy more than just trying to improve and raise level, and sorry if you taking it as a rude, but i will be honest with you, someone a member here came to Dubai and told me to not think about here much, and he told me that some members here playing just normal nothing special as they think.
 
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This has to be the funniest post I have read in a while. Gotta go to Dubai some day and train with all these great players.

You are welcome to Dubai
I can arrange a table and play a match, and if you want to video it it will be my pleasure then ;-)
 
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Yeah, for context, you guys should know that Tareq has not been playing very long. In the two coaching sessions he wrote about here on the forum, he complained that all that happened was that the coach yelled at him and that the coach kept telling him he was holding the racket the wrong way.

He also spent a lot of time complaining that he could not figure out how to return serves with his BH and was asking about rubbers that he could return serves with and yet still play like he had Tenergy on the topspin part of the game.

My best guess is that Tareq has not seen footage of himself play.

But still, footage can be deceptive. There are plenty of guys who are quite high level and look like they are no good. And then there are plenty of guys who look amazing but are not very high level.

Here:

How about these guys? What level would you think they are?


I'm wondering if Tareq is better than these two guys also.




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Oh really, Again?!!!

And do you think those guys are really so good? or do you make them as a standard level to compare?!!! thanks for showing me this video, i am now happy that you did, thanks!!!
 
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Tareq, you wouldn't get a single point on NL and especially not on DeWitt. Even if they played left handed and slightly intoxicated.

Of course, you don't accept this nor do you understand why, but that's okay, you will learn in due time. I thought I was hot shit, too.

I just advise you not to say too many stupid things right now, because you will not agree with what you said a year later. I can guarantee you that.
 
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Tareq, you wouldn't get a single point on NL and especially not on DeWitt. Even if they played left handed and slightly intoxicated.

Of course, you don't accept this nor do you understand why, but that's okay, you will learn in due time. I thought I was hot shit, too.

I just advise you not to say too many stupid things right now, because you will not agree with what you said a year later. I can guarantee you that.

From last year to nowadays i am almost 180 degree different, last year i couldn't even return a good service, or even have a short 1-2 second rally, but that was the past, that was last year, now i am in another level, not so high level where it should be but definitely a higher level, and what i was complaining about last year is almost gone, but within 1 year without coaching i raised my level, while i see many here or somewhere else playing since long time and not doing much, and when i talked here about what i saw i wasn't trying to make funny things or so ever, but the truth i show few videos here to the coach or even few of my friends who i play with, they all laugh and say they can play better and can defeat, so if i am stupid then the coach and my friends are.

Thanks again, and i know it was so rude, but i wanted to say the truth and what is in my heart rather than just lie and say you are all wonderful, but i didn't judge all videos because i didn't see them all, but from 4 or 5 members i got that idea, and as nextlevel said, he can come to Dubai or even to my house and we will play games and see, i won't say all these if i am not sure, at least if not me then one of my friends who i think he is good enough to see how your level compared to us, do't show me so many videos of different levels, i didn't judge all, but those ones who are bosses here, hahaha

By the way, we have class A and class B in that club, the lowest level ranking in class B which is for beginner or intermediate is nearly 2000 to your ranking, and class A is for pro and semi pro, so what do you think class A level is? and i am nearly one of those lowest level in the class B.

At the end, can you really tag the videos with ranking so i have an idea what i am watching? because it sounds here that all of you putting yourself in high level or ranking and thinking others even they don't play much aren't in good quality level, i know one person who came to the club for a visit, he stopped playing since 2002, he played only 3 games, 2 against class A players and one against class B, he defeated them all regardless that he didn't play or train since 2002 and those players are nearly everyday in the club, go figure.
 
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Compared myself to them i will say i am very close to their levels....

See, the nice thing to know is that, based on video evidence, Tareq has rated himself squarely between 2400-2600 USATT rating.

Mark and Mishel are fairly high level amateur players.

Anyone want to guess the levels of Philippe and Rich from that second video?


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I do wonder if Tareq has ever actually seen footage of himself.

But my question would be, if he is so good, why would he be scared to post footage of himself?


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