DHS H3 and all versions

[riemsesy]

I read a lot on this forum about DHS H3, neo, provincial, national, commercial, OS and BS (took me a while not reading that as bull shit )
but there are also other brands with h3 like nittaku
Is there a comparison matrix or something what the differences/similarities are?

 

[Cordell]

Unfortunately while it would be fantastic for my EJ-brain, a matrix/table like that would require the world to come to some sort of a consensus about them, and then it gets even more complicated when you include the topic of boosting, in which case you can take the amount of opinions to the power of two. 😅

I myself have a Nittaku HP3 Turbo Orange on an Acoustic Inner Carbon - maybe I should go back to that for a little bit to compare it to my current set-up now, though I don't really miss it yet... but the temptation to put some BS on my forehand side is always there.

 

[lodro]

I should go back to that for a little bit to compare it to my current set-up now, though I don't really miss it yet... but the temptation to put some BS on my forehand side is always there.

we are moving on and developing. I have several setups that i consider my "steps back" and sometimes have a go with them out of nostalgia.
But I have indeed arrived at the Blue phase but that is ok too, Picasso had one as well 😁

 

[longle]

I've tried them all. And I believe H3 pro neo BS 39 is the best all around rubber for FH in terms of price/quality/durability/playability for amateurs. If you want harder rubber, can try H40 H41 but that takes quite some more of effort to play.

 

[Cordell]

we are moving on and developing. I have several setups that i consider my "steps back" and sometimes have a go with them out of nostalgia.
But I have indeed arrived at the Blue phase but that is ok too, Picasso had one as well 😁

I admittedly didn't actually use that set up all that much, the need to EJ was too strong. Mainly to give the Hurricane a proper go and see how it feels on it with me now used to my new rocketship. I do feel like something tacky would work well on FH for me, but I have forced myself to take a break from buying new rubbers for a while, especially the fancy stuff. If I were to change something, I'd probably keep Genextion on BH and grab some kinda H3 version (Nat or Pro BS maybe) for FH

 

[lodro]

I admittedly didn't actually use that set up all that much, the need to EJ was too strong. Mainly to give the Hurricane a proper go and see how it feels on it with me now used to my new rocketship. I do feel like something tacky would work well on FH for me, but I have forced myself to take a break from buying new rubbers for a while, especially the fancy stuff. If I were to change something, I'd probably keep Genextion on BH and grab some kinda H3 version (Nat or Pro BS maybe) for FH

Sometimes I wonder if i go in a circle or if it is a spiral. Often I had a setup that pretty much allowed me to play the way I felt was good. I would buy a few rubbers as back up......................then something new came on the market and the spiral started from scratch. Most EJs will know what i am talking about. My latest "adventure " is Rozena, which did not work at all on a inner layer ALC blade and I am trying it on a faster blade next, it might work on the FH but never on the BH.
My BH rubber i can always trust is a commercial H3 right out of the package, 39 / 2.1 unboosted

 

[ttarc]

Something like this?

Name	Hardness	Speed	Spin	Arc	ITTF	Nittaku product number
DHS
Personal rubbers
- too many...					24-108
Special rubbers/see catalogue
- also too many					24-108
National
- Neo Blue Sponge					24-108
- Neo Orange Sponge					24-108
- H3 Blue Sponge					24-108
- H3 Orange Sponge					24-108
Provincial
- Neo Blue Sponge					24-108
- Neo Orange Sponge					24-108
- H3 Blue Sponge					24-108
- H3 Orange Sponge					24-108
Professional/Commercial
- Neo Orange Sponge					24-108
- H3 Orange Sponge					24-108
Nittaku
HURRICANEⅢ NATIONAL RUBBER BLUE SPONGE	42.5 JPN				24-108	NR-8734
HURRICANE PRO Ⅲ TURBO BLUE	50 JPN				24-038	NR-8725
HURRICANE PRO Ⅲ TURBO ORANGE	45 JPN				24-038	NR-8721
HURRICANE NEO Ⅲ	42.5 JPN				24-108	NR-8701
HURRICANE PRO Ⅲ	42.5 JPN				24-038	NR-8678
NITTAKU HURRICANE Ⅲ	37.5 JPN				24-036	NR-8669

 

[riemsesy]

Something like this?

Name	Hardness	Speed	Spin	Arc	ITTF	Nittaku product number
DHS
Personal rubbers
- too many...					24-108
Special rubbers/see catalogue
- also too many					24-108
National
- Neo Blue Sponge					24-108
- Neo Orange Sponge					24-108
- H3 Blue Sponge					24-108
- H3 Orange Sponge					24-108
Provincial
- Neo Blue Sponge					24-108
- Neo Orange Sponge					24-108
- H3 Blue Sponge					24-108
- H3 Orange Sponge					24-108
Professional/Commercial
- Neo Orange Sponge					24-108
- H3 Orange Sponge					24-108
Nittaku
HURRICANEⅢ NATIONAL RUBBER BLUE SPONGE	42.5 JPN				24-108	NR-8734
HURRICANE PRO Ⅲ TURBO BLUE	50 JPN				24-038	NR-8725
HURRICANE PRO Ⅲ TURBO ORANGE	45 JPN				24-038	NR-8721
HURRICANE NEO Ⅲ	42.5 JPN				24-108	NR-8701
HURRICANE PRO Ⅲ	42.5 JPN				24-038	NR-8678
NITTAKU HURRICANE Ⅲ	37.5 JPN				24-036	NR-8669

very nice!
So .. can we somewhat fill in the differences and or similarities?

 

[dingyibvs]

You can cut that table by half by just eliminating either the H3 of the Neo. There's no difference between them except for a glue layer on the Neo. The "boost" on Neo is so mild that it's basically non-existent.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

very nice!
So .. can we somewhat fill in the differences and or similarities?

factor in deg, sponge size
soon your table need to be in 5D

short answer for you, no!

 

[riemsesy]

factor in deg, sponge size
soon your table need to be in 5D

short answer for you, no!

in 5D.. then I'll ask my question yesterday again :-D

 

[Aizen]

There is a lot of combination (120ish) so it may be compared by each characteristic.

commercial -> provincial -> national -> player etc: more quality check, more spin, more speed etc (as supposed)

degree 37 -> 42 degree: as it indicated hardness, also gains weight

neo vs normal : glue layer + very slight boost (as supposed)

blue sponge vs orange: better boosting, blue has later activation point (in same hardness) (as supposed) + denser sponge (slight consensus)

dhs vs nittaku: nittaku has more quality (around provincial DHS) (as supposed) + nittaku is heavier (as I read)

Hence we may follow this 'simple' trial strategy:

It may took 5 rubbers at average to find best suited h3 for a player 😅

 

[latej]

NTH3PTB is for hulks. I want to see someone bottoming the NTH3PTB out, and then saying, hey, what's this toy, give me some real rubber finally.

Quality is high, higher than H3 prov.

 

[zeio]

First time I see a flowchart for table tennis.

 

[lodro]

There is a lot of combination (120ish) so it may be compared by each characteristic.

commercial -> provincial -> national -> player etc: more quality check, more spin, more speed etc (as supposed)

degree 37 -> 42 degree: as it indicated hardness, also gains weight

neo vs normal : glue layer + very slight boost (as supposed)

blue sponge vs orange: better boosting, blue has later activation point (in same hardness) (as supposed) + denser sponge (slight consensus)

dhs vs nittaku: nittaku has more quality (around provincial DHS) (as supposed) + nittaku is heavier (as I read)

Hence we may follow this 'simple' trial strategy:

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It may took 5 rubbers at average to find best suited h3 for a player 😅

nicely done. Should we add another split that differentiates between the good old sticky rubbers and the now not sticky rubbers ??? 😁

 

[Zwill]

NTH3PTB is for hulks. I want to see someone bottoming the NTH3PTB out, and then saying, hey, what's this toy, give me some real rubber finally.

Quality is high, higher than H3 prov.

Or SP players or defenders with LP. If the backhand rubber is light the H3 Turbo Blue is an excellent option.

Actually I wonder how would it perform on a light but fast balsa blade. I suppose it would be pretty good.
Big Dippers on Yinhe T11+ are working like a charm.

 

[Aizen]

NTH3PTB is for hulks. I want to see someone bottoming the NTH3PTB out, and then saying, hey, what's this toy, give me some real rubber finally.

Quality is high, higher than H3 prov.

😅 it could be, I’ve based on comments and price point.

nicely done. Should we add another split that differentiates between the good old sticky rubbers and the now not sticky rubbers ??? 😁

Thanks, yes it could be “if you can find old sticky ones, then buy, if you have money, buy more” 😬

 

[lodro]

Thanks, yes it could be “if you can find old sticky ones, then buy, if you have money, buy more” 😬

I have got some but nobody wants them 🤣

 

[Zwill]

I have got some but nobody wants them 🤣

I pray to someone up there that lodro does not start to sell stinky bath water nor does he start an onlyfans channel.

 

[lodro]

I pray to someone up there

You shouldn't. In my Psychedelic phase I was "up there" a lot and there was nobody home 🤣