Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[fore.n.back]

guys I've just surfed around on YT and found out that they've released Rxton 9

Packaging looks really neat

 

[hclnnkhg]

I agree on the #22 part being the best, I've played TG3 #22 Blue Sponge and it's one of the best FH rubber I've used. Too bad its durability was horrible (I tried 2 sheets and they all lasted 2 weeks).

About this "H3 is not suited for penhold" part, I partly agree, because in my experience TG3 on my FH works better than H3 because it has lower throw, ideal for for full-swing looping. Maybe that's why Xu Xin, Ma Lin and Wang Hao have also used TG2/TG3 for quite a long time ?

I also very hyped about that Rxton9, if it's really on par with H3 NT

I am definitely not swinging my FH anything like Ma Lin, Wang Hao or Xu Xin, so I would reserve my opinion on whether H3 or TG suits penholders better There are also some penholders in the CNT, maybe not the top 5 but there are a few, do they all use TG as well?

 

[hclnnkhg]

Also Felix uses K3, Dang Qiu uses D09c. Pretty sure not all penholders are the same

I agree on the #22 part being the best, I've played TG3 #22 Blue Sponge and it's one of the best FH rubber I've used. Too bad its durability was horrible (I tried 2 sheets and they all lasted 2 weeks).

About this "H3 is not suited for penhold" part, I partly agree, because in my experience TG3 on my FH works better than H3 because it has lower throw, ideal for for full-swing looping. Maybe that's why Xu Xin, Ma Lin and Wang Hao have also used TG2/TG3 for quite a long time ?

I also very hyped about that Rxton9, if it's really on par with H3 NT

(and He Zhi Wen uses short pips LOL)

 

[TensorBackhand]

Did you just back away from offering me money??
I'm going to bump the $500~$5500 discussion, so that can help me help you change your opinion

No, I would do the bet, but it's not worth providing the cost of the rubber. Also, knowing your level of arrogance and pride, I know you would just cheat anyways.

Anyways, here is how I would've set up the wager. Find 10 of your juniors. They get 15 seconds to hit with the rubber (15 seconds is more than enough to distinguish between D09c and T05 for example). They get to play with 10 rubbers with a mix of 4 OS commercial, 3 OS provincial, and 3 OS national. They write down what each rubber is. If that junior gets all 10 right, they win $500. If they get it wrong, they must pay $500. So the total winning could be $5000 either way. Realistically, I would guess it might fall somewhere in the middle.

My opinion, just my opinion, is that anybody could get 10 out of 10 between D09c and Tenergy. I dont' think many people could get 10/10 for H3.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I also very hyped about that Rxton9, if it's really on par with H3 NT

Rxton 9 currently have very little stock in its first batch. Still no news of Rxton 7 release, or even 1st batch production.
9 will hit the market way before 7 for sure and very soon. Mostly in China only.
I have already received communication on pricing

To say it is aiming for the H3 #22 National target market is a fair statement.
I don't see it happening though, as those users will continue to use DHS (just like customers continue to use Tenergy or Dignics).

But for Loki, having the ability to bring out such a rubber - has shown they ability in producing top end goods and I think that is worth more than the actual sales figures of the rubber.

My samples was received in May and was Pro testing samples (no packaging, and stinks like hell)
The ones that are out on these videos are all part of the first batch production

 

[longle]

I am definitely not swinging my FH anything like Ma Lin, Wang Hao or Xu Xin, so I would reserve my opinion on whether H3 or TG suits penholders better There are also some penholders in the CNT, maybe not the top 5 but there are a few, do they all use TG as well?

I don't know, I just observe the best Chinese penhold players and compare with my own experience. Looks like the lower throw of TG3 makes the ball sink lower than H3, and because it's less spin-sensitive than H3 makes it easier to kill opponent's spin, also penholders can generate more spin with their wrists than shakehanders so they don't really need the extra spin from H3

I also observe that in the 40+ ball era, it seems the TG3 does not work well anymore because the ball is harder to create spin so H3 shines again.

 

[Attitude]

At some point, people are going to have to realize that, either MZ (TensorBH) is a bit of a troll, or he is really just unable to process certain information.....like, to me....it seems he may be a bit on the spectrum sort of like BB but without the technical education.

I mean, it is okay. There are plenty of people who, in a certain area are fairly highly functional and perform well, but they have tunnel vision and can't understand how things that are based on how they see things, or experience things, are just not how the rest of the world sees or experiences things.

I mean, there are plenty of times I have heard someone describe a rubber and thought, "that is not at all how that rubber felt or performed for me." And then that person comes out with statements like: "why don't all the pros use the BH rubber that I feel works best for me," and you kind of scratch your head and wonder which circuit isn't processing properly.

^this
And by reading his answers im definitly done discussing stuff with him. I guess tunnel visioned or even narrow-minded would describe it the best. Everything else that comes to mind is definitly not forum-friendly so i leave it at that.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

No, I would do the bet, but it's not worth providing the cost of the rubber. Also, knowing your level of arrogance and pride, I know you would just cheat anyways.

Anyways, here is how I would've set up the wager. Find 10 of your juniors. They get 15 seconds to hit with the rubber (15 seconds is more than enough to distinguish between D09c and T05 for example). They get to play with 10 rubbers with a mix of 4 OS commercial, 3 OS provincial, and 3 OS national. They write down what each rubber is. If that junior gets all 10 right, they win $500. If they get it wrong, they must pay $500. So the total winning could be $5000 either way. Realistically, I would guess it might fall somewhere in the middle.

My opinion, just my opinion, is that anybody could get 10 out of 10 between D09c and Tenergy. I dont' think many people could get 10/10 for H3.

i'm a public figure in a way.
would I damage my reputation to beat you for so little money
you are day dreaming, you are so not important in my life to risk my reputation.
If i'm a cheater, pros won't send money to me to pass it onto African kids.
Think about it, there must be a level of trust for money exchanges.

Your level of ignorance is what is annoying and I have came to a conclusion long ago that, it is just who you are.
next time you see another video, your ignorance will be shifted to that video.

You really need to feel it for yourself and let your experience guide your mind, not some youtube videos....
This is easy, but maybe also a bit deep for you to understand.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

^this
And by reading his answers im definitly done discussing stuff with him. I guess tunnel visioned or even narrow-minded would describe it the best. Everything else that comes to mind is definitly not forum-friendly so i leave it at that.

I left him with this:

You really need to feel it for yourself and let your experience guide your mind, not some youtube videos....

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

^this
And by reading his answers im definitly done discussing stuff with him. I guess tunnel visioned or even narrow-minded would describe it the best. Everything else that comes to mind is definitly not forum-friendly so i leave it at that.

Yeah. I think, like BB, he can't help it. I mean, I actually did hear him say something about how he can't understand why all the pros don't use some cheap Chinese rubber (that he liked for a few weeks and no longer uses) on his BH.

I think his brain is wired that way and he has no clue how obnoxious some of the stuff he says can be.

It may be that it is accidental trolling, but there is a reason why you guys get hooked into pointless arguments with him. It is like discussing the colors and shading of a painting with someone who is colorblind.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I also observe that in the 40+ ball ear, it seems the TG3 does not work well anymore because the ball is harder to create spin so H3 shines again.

bingo

H3 #22 is the 40+ go to rubber.

Taiwan was very heavy Butterfly prior to 40+
since the change, many male juniors have adapted to H3 #22

Obviously the few with Butterfly central contracts (directly with Butterfly HQ) cannot use it.

DHS took away a lot of market share from Butterfly in Asia.
And now taking blades market share away too.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

They get 15 seconds to hit with the rubber (15 seconds is more than enough to distinguish between D09c and T05 for example).

Just like BB, he is trying to fix the scenario so he can't be wrong. It is not worth wasting time with someone who behaves like this.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Just like BB, he is trying to fix the scenario so he can't be wrong. It is not worth wasting time on this with someone like this.

for a moment, I thought BB and Sjan is back

only different was that BB and Sjan didn't really go out dashing incorrect equipment advise.
or..maybe Sjan did for money? lol

 

[Attitude]

guys I've just surfed around on YT and found out that they've released Rxton 9

Packaging looks really neat

hmmmm so how many months we need to wait to see it on Aliexpress?
I mean they do have at least more than one or non distributor on that marketplace, so it should arrive faster than stuff from sword for example.

 

[TensorBackhand]

i'm a public figure in a way.
would I damage my reputation to beat you for so little money
you are day dreaming, you are so not important in my life to risk my reputation.
If i'm a cheater, pros won't send money to me to pass it onto African kids.
Think about it, there must be a level of trust for money exchanges.

Your level of ignorance is what is annoying and I have came to a conclusion long ago that, it is just who you are.
next time you see another video, your ignorance will be shifted to that video.

You really need to feel it for yourself and let your experience guide your mind, not some youtube videos....
This is easy, but maybe also a bit deep for you to understand.

Well like I said, I used H3 provincial and H3 national before. I won some of my best matches with it. I like it. I feel some difference.

I just don't think the difference is very big.

If that experience is helpful for some people, then good. If they still want to pay up for the extra marginal quality, then that's fine as well.

To me, the misinformation is stating that there is a huge difference between these rubbers. Within the spectrum of rubbers, the difference is small to me.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Just like BB, he is trying to fix the scenario so he can't be wrong. It is not worth wasting time with someone who behaves like this.

no, i'm not trying to "fix" anything. I'm just trying to make the point, that T05 vs D09c is easily distinguishable even within 5 seconds.

The entire point is that H3 versions are very similar to each other, and by definition not easily distinguishable. I'm not saying they are impossible to discern, but just not easily discernable.

 

[TensorBackhand]

But fine, according to you, how much time would you need to discern which rubber is which H3?

 

[Attitude]

Yeah. I think, like BB, he can't help it. I mean, I actually did hear him say something about how he can't understand why all the pros don't use some cheap Chinese rubber (that he liked for a few weeks and no longer uses) on his BH.

I think his brain is wired that way and he has no clue how obnoxious some of the stuff he says can be.

Im pretty sure i took part in that thread and even tried to explain the reason behind this to him... Not sure though if that put any sense in him.

Well whatever, this is too OT for actually my thread about Loki rubbers

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Im pretty sure i took part in that thread and even tried to explain the reason behind this to him... Not sure though if that put any sense in him.

Well whatever, this is too OT for actually my thread about Loki rubbers

oh my gosh,
is this your thread?

Now I can see why you said what you said to me earlier haha

The price was surfaced earlier (hint)
I think supply would be a problem at first.

It's way better than LAC (i actually parked the LAC when I tried R9 the first time)
The sponge and top sheet quality is equally good and is designed for boosting (just like #22)

I'm a bit down with flu, otherwise, I should actually be reboosting my R9 to compare the feel after 1 month of proper play/boosting.

Not sure if you guys can purchase R9 so early though, especially maybe your local sellers won't be getting them soon.
Maybe Loki's Aliexpress store will be the best bet.
I'm actually going to have a call with them again tomorrow, and I will see what I can do help the fanatics get it

Maybe just make a list of who wants and I will try and get Loki to reserve for you, and we can worry about the logistics/ordering later

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

no, i'm not trying to "fix" anything. I'm just trying to make the point, that T05 vs D09c is easily distinguishable even within 5 seconds.

The entire point is that H3 versions are very similar to each other, and by definition not easily distinguishable. I'm not saying they are impossible to discern, but just not easily discernable.

They may be similar to some extent. But to tell someone who can tell the difference that they can't....well, that is a bit odd. And to tell someone you will bet him, and then to say, "but you only get 15 seconds to tell the difference" (perhaps 3-5 hits) when you are confident they can't tell the difference....if you are confident that someone who says he can tell the difference and his students also can, then, WHY should there be ANY TIME CONSTRAINT?

For you the difference is not that much. (Not about you): For someone under the level of 1500-1600 most of the rubbers those people buy are a waste of their money because they are not good enough to get the actual benefits of the rubber.

But, YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA IF, to someone like Tony, who has been playing at a high level and coaching juniors to a high level, IF THE DIFFERENCE FOR HIM AND HIS JUNIORS IS NIGHT AND DAY or not. Because you are NOT THEM you have NO IDEA. SO BY BELABORING THE POINT, YOU JUST COME OFF AS OBNOXIOUS AND I DOUBT YOU MEAN TO BUT YOU DO.