First Hurricane attempt

[Musaab]

Hi, with regards to all experts who provide advice for someone who all TT life was playing tensor/esn rubbers, suggest trying H3Neo unboosted from the beginning is doomed to failure.

There is no expert knowledge required just characteristics of both type of rubbers tensor/esn vs Chinese one.

For someone who came from Dignics/tenergies especially rubbers unboosted h3 is like the brick, thrash only worth to throw to the basket immediately. For such person smooth transition to such rubbers is only possible when h3 will be boosted and have some kind of pace/tension to feel what it is playing for the first time. To get familiar with the characteristics and smoothly get used to it

I'm not an expert and I don't consider myself one either, but all you need is a bit of logical thinking, that's all.

He literally sais this is his 3rd year , I adopted my H3 after I tried some tensors first , there going to be a learning curve ? for sure but thats normal because it is a totally different thing.
BTW this brick feeling is what actually interesting about H3, this is what you need when you want to receive short, a brick that is not affected too much by your opponent serve, then when in position and using your body to swing it do wonders and it is not a brick anymore

 

[SleepyMaster]

Hi, with regards to all experts who provide advice for someone who all TT life was playing tensor/esn rubbers, suggest trying H3Neo unboosted from the beginning is doomed to failure.

There is no expert knowledge required just characteristics of both type of rubbers tensor/esn vs Chinese one.

For someone who came from Dignics/tenergies especially rubbers unboosted h3 is like the brick, thrash only worth to throw to the basket immediately. For such person smooth transition to such rubbers is only possible when h3 will be boosted and have some kind of pace/tension to feel what it is playing for the first time. To get familiar with the characteristics and smoothly get used to it

I'm not an expert and I don't consider myself one either, but all you need is a bit of logical thinking, that's all.

I’m not really a beginner. But I mostly have used D09c from the beginnig and I do have some kind of a strokes, but there is always point what can be improved. I can do pretty strong loops with G09c that people are calling a “slow” rubber. So I think I will handle any hurricane with some adjustments but agreed that boosting will be more rational decision. But whatever I didn’t get my order soooo 🙂

 

[Master Capybara]

Do I need to post test results again? Do some research before you say something you have no idea about.

I didn't say it doesn't expand it. It's a booster, obviously it expands the sponge. The difference is that the booster apart from expanding the sponge, it also hardens it.

Yes please, post tests again. What physical process happens to simultaneously expand spong and make it harder? Crystallization? = )


It is ridiculous. The more density (less pores) the more hardness of the sponge. Boosters expand sponge, at the same time topshit gets tension. Thats why rubber bends under booster.

 

[Kopp]

Without booster the touch and control is incredible. If you can't hit into the sponge you're probably just too weak. 39 degrees NEO sponge is not going to be difficult to hit into.

Agreed. With the right technique, hitting into the sponge shouldn't be a problem.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

What physical process happens to simultaneously expand spong and make it harder?

Tension can increase hardness. The sponge material itself may become softer, but when you increase the tension it can become harder. It's like the reason that a pumped tire is harder than a flat tire.

With any booster there are several processes that make the sponge both harder and softer. It sounds like with the black booster, it doesn't soften the sponge so much, but it does increase tension.

 

[JJ Ng]

I’m not really a beginner. But I mostly have used D09c from the beginnig and I do have some kind of a strokes, but there is always point what can be improved. I can do pretty strong loops with G09c that people are calling a “slow” rubber. So I think I will handle any hurricane with some adjustments but agreed that boosting will be more rational decision. But whatever I didn’t get my order soooo 🙂

I am surprised that no one has asked this question.

Which shop did you order from that messed up your order so badly? I am actually very surprised because I have bought from Aliexpress (various vendors), Paddle Palace, Table Tennis Pioneers (in Quebec, Canada before but that shop has since closed down and rebranded, I believe), Megaspin, TT11, etc. etc. I have never had any orders messed up that badly!

 

[SleepyMaster]

I am surprised that no one has asked this question.

Which shop did you order from that messed up your order so badly? I am actually very surprised because I have bought from Aliexpress (various vendors), Paddle Palace, Table Tennis Pioneers (in Quebec, Canada before but that shop has since closed down and rebranded, I believe), Megaspin, TT11, etc. etc. I have never had any orders messed up that badly!

TT11 - actually it’s a really good shop with quick delivery etc. But this time something gone wrong. Maybe it’s even not their fault rather shipping company that their using for delivery to Ukraine.

Anyway it’s not okay for me to own something that didn’t mine. Maybe it’s a coach make an order for a childrens that are seriously training to became nationals one day. I have tried to reach for a customer who’s name and number I was find in the box - but it didn’t work

 

[JJ Ng]

TT11 - actually it’s a really good shop with quick delivery etc. But this time something gone wrong. Maybe it’s even not their fault rather shipping company that their using for delivery to Ukraine.

Anyway it’s not okay for me to own something that didn’t mine. Maybe it’s a coach make an order for a children that are seriously training to became nationals one day. I have tried to reach for a customer who’s name and number I was find in the box - but it didn’t work

I only emailed TT11 once. They did not mess up my order. I just had a question. They answered pretty quickly. so maybe emailing them is better than calling them?

 

[Master Capybara]

Tension can increase hardness. The sponge material itself may become softer, but when you increase the tension it can become harder. It's like the reason that a pumped tire is harder than a flat tire.

With any booster there are several processes that make the sponge both harder and softer. It sounds like with the black booster, it doesn't soften the sponge so much, but it does increase tension.

So, what different physical processes happen in both situations? That in one case you get harder sponge (andJan wrote that black booster makes sponge harder), and in second - softer.
The example with one tire is not relevant.
Imagine hundreds tires, compressed to rubber brick. And than you inflate each of them a little. You will get softer object overall. But even this is not close enough. Because you cant hold positive pressure inside rubber like you do with tires.

 

[SleepyMaster]

I only emailed TT11 once. They did not mess up my order. I just had a question. They answered pretty quickly. so maybe emailing them is better than calling them?

I wrote an email to TT11 - waiting for an answer for now

 

[SleepyMaster]

So, what different physical processes happen in both situations? That in one case you get harder sponge (andJan wrote that black booster makes sponge harder), and in second - softer.
The example with one tire is not relevant.
Imagine hundreds tires, compressed to rubber brick. And than you inflate each of them a little. You will get softer object overall. But even this is not close enough. Because you cant hold positive pressure inside rubber like you do with tires.

I’m sorry for off top but from part of Ukraine are you? Kyiv maybe - would be cool to play some if it so 🤙🏻

 

[Master Capybara]

I’m sorry for off top but from part of Ukraine are you? Kyiv maybe - would be cool to play some if it so 🤙🏻

Yeah it will be cool, I used to play at Orion and Gurman clubs.

 

[SleepyMaster]

Yeah it will be cool, I used to play at Orion and Gurman clubs.

Oh cool I play at Gurman mostly.
What’s your current rating btw?

 

[John_]

Yes please, post tests again. What physical process happens to simultaneously expand spong and make it harder? Crystallization? = )


It is ridiculous. The more density (less pores) the more hardness of the sponge. Boosters expand sponge, at the same time topshit gets tension. Thats why rubber bends under booster.

The booster is extremely viscous, here's the video essays with all the testing and documentation.

Watch them first and then comment.

 

[Master Capybara]

The booster is extremely viscous, here's the video essays with all the testing and documentation.

Watch them first and then comment.

Sorry mate, but its you should look carefully videos you send. I saw that test.

Look p3 4:07 where blogger talks about hf nat black. When he add even more black booster h3 becomes even softer, but still not like others boosters. So blogger still needs to add a lot of effort to play with h3.


If you just open first video, checked table sheet and see “very hard feeling” near black booster it doesn’t mean that booster makes sponge harder. It means that after one black booster soft touch feeling remains hard compared to other boosters.

Otherwise using you logic after reboosting with the black booster sponge should become even harder. But its not.
So black booster makes sponge softer but not so much like other boosters do.

And of course this test are subjective without using durometer numbers. If tester used durometer - there would not be so much misunderstandings.

 

[Master Capybara]

Oh cool I play at Gurman mostly.
What’s your current rating btw?

Im glad to play with you on tournaments. But my ranking is only 22. Maybe its too low for you.

 

[SleepyMaster]

Im glad to play with you on tournaments. But my ranking is only 22. Maybe its too low for you.

Nah bro - I’m just a regular amateur that played a lot, I didn’t have any rating at all. I would say I lack the stability and feeling of players that are playing for decades since I play table tennis for a three years only. 22 is respectable level in my opinion it’s like 1900-2000 I suppose in usatt system - plus minus. I maybe wrong in this because elo rating is kinda different than ours 🤓

Anyway I’ll dm you and we can pick a day and time to train if you wouldn’t mind it 🫡

 

[NextLevel]

Hi, with regards to all experts who provide advice for someone who all TT life was playing tensor/esn rubbers, suggest trying H3Neo unboosted from the beginning is doomed to failure.

There is no expert knowledge required just characteristics of both type of rubbers tensor/esn vs Chinese one.

For someone who came from Dignics/tenergies especially rubbers unboosted h3 is like the brick, thrash only worth to throw to the basket immediately. For such person smooth transition to such rubbers is only possible when h3 will be boosted and have some kind of pace/tension to feel what it is playing for the first time. To get familiar with the characteristics and smoothly get used to it

I'm not an expert and I don't consider myself one either, but all you need is a bit of logical thinking, that's all.

I spent almost all my playing career playing a variety of ESN and Butterfly rubbers. I have never boosted Hurricane or Skyline. I am perfectly fine using them. Admittedly I play a largely close to the table game. And maybe I would change my mind if I boosted the rubbers. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with playing with DHS rubbers unboosted, the main issue is how much work you want the equipment to do for you and what your game needs.

 

[disaster3]

@NextLevel with all respect to you, I’m not gonna clarify myself and what I have written i think is quite understandable. I’m sure you spent a lot with many rubbers but if I followed correctly you sign. and posts all of those changes were to decreasing tension of rubbers of you choice, from Golden Tango through Rakza Z, etc (if my memory servers me well) they are not Tenergies, Tibhar EVO MXP (I mean the most bouncy rubbers) and If see the post:

Hello, all my life or recent life was playing Tenergy05 (which I really like), I would like to check h3 what you recommend?
And answers, try it unboosted …. Wtf!?!?

I recall me, before I bought H3, I gave a try to New Sanwei Target National (which seems to be more bouncy in terms of bouncy chinese rubbers vs H3 I mean)… I peeled it off after 1st session as I thought I was playing a brick. Boosted it 2 or 3 layers of Seamoon, and then it somehow started to work.

But of course, everybody can do with their own blades and rubbers whatever they want.

This was just my experience, nothing else 😉

 

[NextLevel]

@NextLevel with all respect to you, I’m not gonna clarify myself and what I have written i think is quite understandable. I’m sure you spent a lot with many rubbers but if I followed correctly you sign. and posts all of those changes were to decreasing tension of rubbers of you choice, from Golden Tango through Rakza Z, etc (if my memory servers me well) they are not Tenergies, Tibhar EVO MXP (I mean the most bouncy rubbers) and If see the post:

Hello, all my life or recent life was playing Tenergy05 (which I really like), I would like to check h3 what you recommend?
And answers, try it unboosted …. Wtf!?!?

I recall me, before I bought H3, I gave a try to New Sanwei Target National (which seems to be more bouncy in terms of bouncy chinese rubbers vs H3 I mean)… I peeled it off after 1st session as I thought I was playing a brick. Boosted it 2 or 3 layers of Seamoon, and then it somehow started to work.

But of course, everybody can do with their own blades and rubbers whatever they want.

This was just my experience, nothing else 😉

The last rubber I used before I switched to H3 was Rakza Z and before that Golden Tango and Rakza Z EH, none of which are really that different from Dignics 09c IMHO. I also used Tenergy 05H. And at various points in the past I have used all the rubbers you mentioned.

Hurricane and Skyline nowadays are not quite as tacky as they use to be unless you use cover sheets in fact I think many of the ESN hybrids nowadays are tackier. And the lack of rebound, as you play with it interesting things happen though it is probably easier and better to boost. But my main point ia that if someone is coming from Dignics 09c, then they can try Hurricane 3 unboosted. They may hate it and agree with you and that is perfectly valid. But it isn't a case of their not being able to try it at all. They can try it and not like it, but that is different from saying it is impossible to play with. I still play with unboosted Skyline. I have tried some things since like Gewo Codexx 54 and find them too sticky and heavy - that's another unstated advantage of not boosting, it keeps the racket lighter.

I am fairly sure I am doing something wrong since all the pros boost or use factory boosted rubbers. I am just pointing out that if you have used D09c with its hardness, you can try H3 unboosted.