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[ttmonster]

Okay, this is my assessment based on the videos I have seen of you , not in specific order. Your level varies between 1950-2100 , depending on what your opponent is good at. I was especially impressed on how you got David Zhuang in the second set and it seemed that he dug his heels in after that and gave you the treatment. The things you do really well is block on either side , especially the wide backhand is very deceptive. You don't have any problems in blocking spinny loops . However, like everybody else you do have some problems in reading corkscrew spin . Your serves are deceptive and you are covering most of the table . The things I would do, being a 1700 player, is to try to give you heavy side under and side top serves on forehand and try to loop on the sides of the tables , which is definitely more risky but I feel I might have a chance in stealing a game here an there. Great job !

 

[NextLevel]

Okay, this is my assessment based on the videos I have seen of you , not in specific order. Your level varies between 1950-2100 , depending on what your opponent is good at. I was especially impressed on how you got David Zhuang in the second set and it seemed that he dug his heels in after that and gave you the treatment. The things you do really well is block on either side , especially the wide backhand is very deceptive. You don't have any problems in blocking spinny loops . However, like everybody else you do have some problems in reading corkscrew spin . Your serves are deceptive and you are covering most of the table . The things I would do, being a 1700 player, is to try to give you heavy side under and side top serves on forehand and try to loop on the sides of the tables , which is definitely more risky but I feel I might have a chance in stealing a game here an there. Great job !

I agree except for going to the sides. The elbow is far better.

 

[Der_Echte]

You gotta open real heavy or real fast away vs NL... and to do that you gotta set that up with an effective serve or excellent return of his serve.

That is much easier said than done sometimes. That is why higher level players in comparison to another work like that... the quality of their shots is higher. Makes it more difficult and riskier to make a high quality shot that will pressure him or win the point.

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[Shuki]

You gotta open real heavy or real fast away vs NL... and to do that you gotta set that up with an effective serve or excellent return of his serve.

That is much easier said than done sometimes. That is why higher level players in comparison to another work like that... the quality of their shots is higher. Makes it more difficult and riskier to make a high quality shot that will pressure him or win the point.

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So true, I can't tell you how many times a new player comes to our club and asks "who's the best player here" and I point to a table where our two best players are playing. They look so much less consistent that they normally would. Missing shots by what seems like a rediculous amount, getting jammed up not completing a full stroke. then they new player thinks they can just walk onto the table and beat them only to get stomped tremendously.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I have seen a lot of delusional people in my time playing table tennis. So often people think they are better than they actually are.

I used to play at a few places where people who did not know they did not know how to play, played.

I can't tell you how many times recreational players who really basically sucked, walked up and wanted to play me for money swearing I would have no chance against them only to find out how wrong they were. Now back then I may have been 1200-1400. So I wasn't that good either. But I know enough people better than me to know I still am not that good.

But so often, people overrate themselves. Which is why a rating system, where you know for sure that someone has consistently been 1950-2050 for a year gives you much different information than what someone looks like while playing. Maintaining a level between 1950-2050 for a year of consistent appearances in competitions is actually something you can hang your hat on.


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[ttmonster]

So your eye is getting better after Der_Echte prescribed his vampire killing medication ?

I have seen a lot of delusional people in my time playing table tennis. So often people think they are better than they actually are.

I used to play at a few places where people who did not know they did not know how to play, played.

I can't tell you how many times recreational players who really basically sucked, walked up and wanted to play me for money swearing I would have no chance against them only to find out how wrong they were. Now back then I may have been 1200-1400. So I wasn't that good either. But I know enough people better than me to know I still am not that good.

But so often, people overrate themselves. Which is why a rating system, where you know for sure that someone has consistently been 1950-2050 for a year gives you much different information than what someone looks like while playing. Maintaining a level between 1950-2050 for a year of consistent appearances in competitions is actually something you can hang your hat on.


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[UpSideDownCarl]

So your eye is getting better after Der_Echte prescribed his vampire killing medication ?

It is a lot better today. Vampire remedy must have hit the spot. But yesterday it felt like I was being stabbed in the eye with a silver knife that had crushed garlic juice and vitamin C all over it.

Need to rest. But I was able to teach the classes I needed to. Would love to hook up with Shuki but I think it would be a mistake. And my work day tomorrow will be long: 8:00am-10:00pm. So resting today will be important.


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[Der_Echte]

Carl coulda used any of those things to fight off infection, but his body was producing the healing stuff from within during his rest and eye watering.

For the record, I do not prescribe meds, but offer insight into common things available and what they do for which situation. Often, they are a lot safer and more effective than meds without the addiction or side effects. We are a really med-addicted med-believing society. Look at how many die from meds and how many die from nutrition and vitamins & compare...

I am glad Carl is having his eye getting healing. he is gunna need both hiz eyes to handle the next NYC adventure.

 

[ttmonster]

I know Der_Echte , I was just kidding because it had both silver and garlic , and Carl got it spot on !

Carl coulda used any of those things to fight off infection, but his body was producing the healing stuff from within during his rest and eye watering.

For the record, I do not prescribe meds, but offer insight into common things available and what they do for which situation. Often, they are a lot safer and more effective than meds without the addiction or side effects. We are a really med-addicted med-believing society. Look at how many die from meds and how many die from nutrition and vitamins & compare...

I am glad Carl is having his eye getting healing. he is gunna need both hiz eyes to handle the next NYC adventure.

 

[Der_Echte]

Be on the lookout for new TTD members named Count Dracula and Philly Goon Squad #1... Dracula will have something to say, but will wait until Brunch and sunset have completed.

 

[TT_Rogue]

1300-1350

 

[NextLevel]

1300-1350

TTR or USATT?

 

[NDH]

TTR or USATT?

Hi NL - I'm sure I've missed this along the way, but what IS your USATT rating?

Also, what was the idea behind posting the video in the first place?

 

[NextLevel]

Looking at the video, and I can post the full match if anyone wants to see it, many of my shots I missed have more to do with misreading the ball and far less to do with playing shots above my head, IMO, when all things are considered. In fact, we both underestimated the quality of each other's pushes - he underestimated my spin and I underestimated his depth and ability to make the push dead. He often got the ball very close to the endline and because I don't move, I didn't react properly. All the shots in that video were level appropriate. I make precisely the same shots on a regular basis. In fact, the issue was why I wasn't making them in that match/game and I wanted to see what people would say.

Hi NL - I'm sure I've missed this along the way, but what IS your USATT rating?

Also, what was the idea behind posting the video in the first place?

I am about 2000 USATT (or as someone aptly put it, I play anywhere from 1950-2100, depending on health and opponent and my results largely reflect such). I have played at that level for a year despite health issues and rebuilding my entire game. I came to England recently and I was about even with a top 200 junior but lost to a top 200 vet (though I got better as the day wore on - the environment was largely distracting for me to initially play in). I would definitely be ranked top 600 in England seniors if I played. I've played a few of the British RAF guys when they come to the US forthe NA teams and have competed well.

I posted the video in another forum partly as a teaching tool (the viewers are asked to coach me and recommend strategic insights) and someone said that if he didn't know my rating, he would have estimated it at 1200 on the basis of that game, which I found funny and reflective of my mood while playing the game. So I wanted to test that and see what people would say on this forum. Initially, I couldn't make sense of why I missed so much, but one viewer told me stuff I didn't notice initially that helped me make sense of it all. And I also wanted to see if people could see anything in the technique that could enable them to overlook the offensive inconsistency.

 

[NDH]

I am about 2000 USATT (or as someone aptly put it, I play anywhere from 1950-2100, depending on health and opponent and my results largely reflect such). I have played at that level for a year despite health issues and rebuilding my entire game. I came to England recently and I was about even with a top 200 junior but lost to a top 200 vet (though I got better as the day wore on - the environment was largely distracting for me to initially play in). I would definitely be ranked top 600 in England seniors if I played. I've played a few of the British RAF guys when they come to the US forthe NA teams and have competed well.

I posted the video in another forum partly as a teaching tool (the viewers are asked to coach me and recommend strategic insights) and someone said that if he didn't know my rating, he would have estimated it at 1200 on the basis of that game, which I found funny and reflective of my mood while playing the game. So I wanted to test that and see what people would say on this forum. Initially, I couldn't make sense of why I missed so much, but one viewer told me stuff I didn't notice initially that helped me make sense of it all. And I also wanted to see if people could see anything in the technique that could enable them to overlook the offensive inconsistency.

Gotcha!

It's very hard to make a judgement based on a small portion of footage. Plus, you have highly ranked players who look ugly when playing, and good looking players whose results are poor!

We have fairly good depth in England - I'd say it's pretty interchangeable between top 600 and 400 in seniors.

I've beaten some top 400 guys, and a top 50 woman this year - But I don't play British League (can't commit the weekends), so I don't come up against many national guys.

 

[darnner123]

uhm do u have knee problems? (or is it age?)
Idk about the usa rating but im just giving my own opinion. (Im not saying im good or anything just my opinion)
sorry but you don't look like you are very fit or even trying
its because a 14 yr old kid can learn table tennis properly for 1 year and be way better than any of the videos posted here...
(im not trying to be an ass sorry)
im assuming people here dont get coaching at all?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

uhm do u have knee problems? (or is it age?)
Idk about the usa rating but im just giving my own opinion. (Im not saying im good or anything just my opinion)
sorry but you don't look like you are very fit or even trying
its because a 14 yr old kid can learn table tennis properly for 1 year and be way better than any of the videos posted here...
(im not trying to be an ass sorry)
im assuming people here dont get coaching at all?

How much of the thread did you read? It seems you many have missed a lot of the important stuff. A good part of the thread explains what you missed. It is good that you watched some of the videos. But, you must have missed something.

Yes he has bad knees. He has something called Rheumatoid Arthritis which is a joint disease that is nothing like osteoarthritis and much worse. So he can't move very much. And in spite of looks, he is much better than the videos make him look. Part of the idea is that, if you know what to look for, you may be able to see what he is doing that makes him actually a decent level. But, if you don't look too closely you may come to the conclusion that he is not as good as he actually is.

If you know the USATT rating system, his level has been 1950-2050 for the past year. So, a 14 year old kid could get coaching and look way better than NextLevel in a year but still might not be anywhere close to his level. But it depends on the kid too. And a 14 year old kid is very different than an adult with a joint disease who has figured out ways to play while trying to move as little as possible.

What did you think about the level of these two guys?

 

[darnner123]

How much of the thread did you read? It seems you many have missed a lot of the important stuff. A good part of the thread explains what you missed. It is good that you watched some of the videos. But, you must have missed something.

Yes he has bad knees. He has something called Rheumatoid Arthritis which is a joint disease that is nothing like osteoarthritis and much worse. So he can't move very much. And in spite of looks, he is much better than the videos make him look. Part of the idea is that, if you know what to look for, you may be able to see what he is doing that makes him actually a decent level. But, if you don't look too closely you may come to the conclusion that he is not as good as he actually is.

If you know the USATT rating system, his level has been 1950-2050 for the past year. So, a 14 year old kid could get coaching and look way better than NextLevel in a year but still might not be anywhere close to his level. But it depends on the kid too. And a 14 year old kid is very different than an adult with a joint disease who has figured out ways to play while trying to move as little as possible.

What did you think about the level of these two guys?

I respect nextlevel for playing even though he has some disabilities, congratz in getting 2000 rating
(idk if thats good, would be nice if you can show me some other videos at that level)
Well these people are not even close to my most of my friends in the club usually 12-15 years old.
The club has some exceptional coaches, one of the was the australia closed champ

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Well these people are not even close to my most of my friends in the club usually 12-15 years old.
The club has some exceptional coaches, one of the was the australia closed champ

Those two guys are both actually about 2350. That is semi-pro level. Their USATT ratings change a lot because they are what is known as sandbaggers. They lose to lower rated players on purpose to keep their ratings lower than they should be so they can enter events that are lower than they should be able to enter to win the money.

Here is Richard Dewitt vs Adam Hugh. Adam Hugh is 2600 which is professional level (top 300 in the world):

You see, in table tennis, looks can be deceiving. That is part of the point of the thread. Both Richard Dewitt or Philippe Dassonval are about the same level as Dan Ives (I believe you've seen Dan's video reviews).

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Here is Adam, who obviously has trouble with Richard's unconventional style playing a more traditional player where you can see his level a little better.