Heming Hu on Equipment

[NextLevel]

my answers won’t turn him into a better player if he’s still believing equipments are gonna help him

like H.Hu said, if the equipment is good enough then you should focus on the training and techniques. the fact that he is still wondering about those “pro player” rubbers says a lot

not really, he could be a mature player who is fine tuning his equipment for optimal performance.

 

[NetProphet]

if you still ask those questions… clearly H3 is not for you. it makes sense that you use H39 because you still don’t know how to maximize its strength

i think you’re much better off with tensor rubbers.

Because of curiosity about the different qualities of different rubbers and what exactly might make them superior for a pro player you conclude that he cannot use H3.
Did you get lost on the way home today? 😂

 

[mcfly]

Because of curiosity about the different qualities of different rubbers and what exactly might make them superior for a pro player you conclude that he cannot use H3.
Did you get lost on the way home today? 😂

everyone can use H3. but not everyone can maximize its strength
he claimed he has money - why doesn’t he just buy those pro rubbers and sees for himself? why the repeated questions again and again?

 

[mcfly]

not really, he could be a mature player who is fine tuning his equipment for optimal performance.

lol yeah possible. but not sure what optimal means here, make winner shots easy because he uses Chen Meng rubber?

 

[NextLevel]

lol yeah possible. but not sure what optimal means here, make winner shots easy because he uses Chen Meng rubber?

Hey, I got better at looping with slow heavy topspin when I used Tenergy 05 and got much netted at pushing short using Skyline 2. What equipment does for a player is for the player to find out, no need to pretend that it is all about practice, Dima used H3 for a bit and see how that turned out ..

 

[mcfly]

Hey, I got better at looping with slow heavy topspin when I used Tenergy 05 and got much netted at pushing short using Skyline 2. What equipment does for a player is for the player to find out, no need to pretend that it is all about practice, Dima used H3 for a bit and see how that turned out ..

if you got better, good for you! congratulations

 

[NextLevel]

if you got better, good for you! congratulations

Yes, the equipment helped. You asked what optimal means I gave you an example. Glad you may have learned something.

 

[mcfly]

Yes, the equipment helped. You asked what optimal means I gave you an example. Glad you may have learned something.

you're the best to learn from in this forum! everything you've said is just gold and so helpful! I am gonna buy the pro versions and I will be the best player ever!

 

[Tyce]

you're the best to learn from in this forum! everything you've said is just gold and so helpful! I am gonna buy the pro versions and I will be the best player ever!

Dude.

I'm asking the question on where the difference is between Commercial, Pro and National versions. The question gets a follow up from people because they want to actually use them.
Either you know the answer and just don't want to share your knowledge for whatever reason, or you don't know.

Both options could have been presented perfectly well without talking people down. And, both options don't contribute to answering the question.

There's only one conclusion... You're a company spy from DHS, trying to protect the secrets!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So could you translate this for me as a mere mortal, what does this quality entail?
Is it consistency? Durability? Tighter tolerance in specs?
If it is the latter, does that mean commercial version is by definition out of spec, or can you "get lucky" and receive a perfect spec commercial grade?

its the feeling in the hand (when the ball is felt better and clearer in the hand), especially when doing very difficult shots.
higher quality rubbers will pull through with better feeling, while, lower quality, the ball won't go as per your request/shot.

So, this is why the higher the level the pro goes, the more reliant they are to high quality gear, because they can't afford to drop a point due to quality.

And it isn't saying DHS is inconsistent,
for example, D05 is inconsistent for many FH shots too, in the eyes of Pros that use H3.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

30 hours per week is almost pro level training 😅 (excluding benching, hanging at club bar)

Of course pro’s should be doing some more training off the table like fitness, tactic etc.

there is quantity, then there is quality.

I know many countries national players that train 30+ hours a week.
but the quality of training is not there.

IE. they think they are fit, they train 30+ hours and include everything.

But come to tier 1 TT country, after 1 week of the "same quantity" 30 + hour a week.
they are sore every where. The body can't handle the quality.

I have seen thing many times.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Similarly to what @Tyce asking, I am wondering how much better these pro rubber sold by DHS through various distributors compared to National. More control? More spin? More speed? Or probably more speed and more spin, but yet more control? Somehow DHS finds the magic formula for those pro rubbers?

I will probably try to use up my current supply of provincial blue sponge 39 degree. Then move up to provincial blue sponge 40 degree. THEN if my techniques and my timing get better, and I consistently play 2-3 hours a day, 4-5 days week, I might try buying Chen Meng or Wang Yidi forehand rubber.....maybe....

I would say, if your level is not there, you won't benefit from the hidden gems in pro version rubber.
so don't waste the money, in fact, Provincial is good enough.

Let me give an example of high risk/difficulty shot.
When you in a FH to FH top spin rally and you need to go so far out wide to "scoop" the ball back in, just before it touches the ground.
well, contact success quality will be better in Pro player version.

now, if you don't have the footworks and will never be in that situation (ie, you will just let the ball go pass), then why even bother with that rubber

 

[NetProphet]

everyone can use H3. but not everyone can maximize its strength
he claimed he has money - why doesn’t he just buy those pro rubbers and sees for himself? why the repeated questions again and again?

I dunno why your getting angry dude. If you don't wanna answer the questions you can just move on. I too wonder what's different between the Pro Chinese team rubbers (that I absolutely could not use) and the national or provincial versions. It's just curiosity tho.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

my answers won’t turn him into a better player if he’s still believing equipments are gonna help him

like H.Hu said, if the equipment is good enough then you should focus on the training and techniques. the fact that he is still wondering about those “pro player” rubbers says a lot

the word good enough, i think, is just not the correct approach to talk about equipment.
we all know, what is good for you may be terrible for me and vice versus.
it is each to their own and there will never be a 1 answer approach that Heming is trying to do.

Most of his clientele seem to be adult club players. I'm not sure how many beginners he coaches.
I know way more coaches start adult beginners from more controllable equipment than his "H3 + T05" combo that he would want to start off with when he was a beginner.
I'm also not sure what is his "best" success story. His journey on this front is only a few years. Maybe give him another 10 years, and can see if he changes his mind on beginner equipment.

and its easy to say, just train and get better technique,
But in the PRO space, equipment matters way more than training,
while amateur space, training matters way more than equipment.
so, depending on the space, the goals and the resources.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

lol yeah possible. but not sure what optimal means here, make winner shots easy because he uses Chen Meng rubber?

well, the logic might just work to be honest

I know a adult beginner (who I coached for 12 hours), who was gifted a pro player rubber from a PRO player herself.
the adult beginner probably does better with that pro player rubber than using my provincial.
the grip on there is just so much more crispier

Other than that 1 example, I have never ever had an adult beginner with national or pro player version H3 ever before.
I think there won't be too many cases in the world.

 

[Aizen]

there is quantity, then there is quality.

I know many countries national players that train 30+ hours a week.
but the quality of training is not there.

IE. they think they are fit, they train 30+ hours and include everything.

But come to tier 1 TT country, after 1 week of the "same quantity" 30 + hour a week.
they are sore every where. The body can't handle the quality.

I have seen thing many times.

Yes, of course I said as perfective of hours.

Even Ma Long’s training quality and some other player ranking 50th or so should not be the same.

But I mean if a person plays 30 hours a week, 2 day rest, it means 5 hours per day.
5 hours training takes 7 hours with breaks, resting, eating etc. Include also 1 hour road time. So in total it makes 8 hours a day.

It’s like full time job and dedication. Hence it may not be professional but it seems as profession-ish.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yes, of course I said as perfective of hours.

Even Ma Long’s training quality and some other player ranking 50th or so should not be the same.

But I mean if a person plays 30 hours a week, 2 day rest, it means 5 hours per day.
5 hours training takes 7 hours with breaks, resting, eating etc. Include also 1 hour road time. So in total it makes 8 hours a day.

It’s like full time job and dedication which is pro level effort for me.

yeah, I hear you
but 30 hours a week, is not "almost pro level training" as per what I was replying to.
it is just almost pro training "quantity".

 

[mcfly]

Dude.

I'm asking the question on where the difference is between Commercial, Pro and National versions. The question gets a follow up from people because they want to actually use them.
Either you know the answer and just don't want to share your knowledge for whatever reason, or you don't know.

Both options could have been presented perfectly well without talking people down. And, both options don't contribute to answering the question.

There's only one conclusion... You're a company spy from DHS, trying to protect the secrets!

uh oh you got me!
if people want to use them, why don’t they go and actually use them? why wasting time on this forum? why wasting time wondering about the shitty piece of rubber called “pro version” where the difference is minimal?
there i said it - go buy one and see the pro in you!
DHS must love these kind of topics LOL

 

[mcfly]

I dunno why your getting angry dude. If you don't wanna answer the questions you can just move on. I too wonder what's different between the Pro Chinese team rubbers (that I absolutely could not use) and the national or provincial versions. It's just curiosity tho.

to be honest why there are so many repeated topics about H3 on this forum?
its also just my curiosity tho.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

to be honest why there are so many repeated topics about H3 on this forum?
its also just my curiosity tho.

its called a forum, table tennis forum to be exact
the H3 topic has been going on for 10 years, and another 10 more to go
just like the best T05 alternative for 10+ years
or best H3 alternative

if you cut out these threads, TTD will be less than half its size