Hybrid rubbers (Euro/Jap - Chinese)

With all the new hybrid rubbers coming out, like the 09c, k3, c2 and c53, what are some good budget friendly hybrids out in the market?

I have experience with the tg2 neo and jupiter 2 and I found the former to work well on penhold, while the jupiter was a powerhouse that lacked some feeling, but played great for shakehand. Haven't played with them in a long time so I don't remember specifics. Jupiter 3 came out some time ago and haven't tried it yet.

Glayzer 09c should be pretty good but is much more expensive that the chinese hybrids. Also the Bluegrip c2 is relatively close in price, 45 for the glayzer, 49 for the c2.

Feel free to add anything you want and share your experiences with any hybrid.
 
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DHS H8-80 is good in both 37 and 38 degree versions.
Rakza Z, and Rakza Z EH are one of my favourites. (higher price range)
Xiom Jekyll and Hyde H 52.5 (the hybrid version of Jekyll & Hyde series), only available from Asian market, never seen it available in UK (but could be wrong!!) Possibly in the higher price range.
Loki Arthur Asia & Europe is another option.
Yinhe Jupiter 3 Asia, see the thread on the forum, for detailed info. I found it fast(er) but spin not as good as Rakza Z and H8-80
Donic Bluegrip C2 is pretty similar to J&H H52, Stiga Dragon Grip
Of course there is D09C and G09C, depending on your level, G09C gives you 90% of D09C's performance for roughly 50% of the cost of D09C!!! (some may disagree!!!)
Xiom Tau 2 is another one to keep an eye on. once again only available in ASIA, when will Xiom get it right and release it to all the markets?
There are a number of Joola hybrid rubbers, but personally I would go for Golden Tango or GT PS, which has more catapult effect than the regular version.

If higher levels of tackiness are a factor, then H8-80, Rakza Z/Z EH, Golden Tango, Victas Triple Double Extra (Pricey!!) tau 2 have higher tackiness levels.
I haven't used the Tibhar Hybrids such as K3, Andro hybrids like C53, but being from the ESN stable they are likely to be similar to Stiga dragon grip, C2, J&H H52, Loki Arthur Asia, Xiom China Guang/Ying etc.

Many of these are 'BARELY TACKY' D09C and G09C included. which brings into question whether they should be classed as a 'hybrid' compare to the 'original' Hybrid rubbers ie TACKY (Chinese type top sheet) with bouncy/catapult type Euro/Jap sponge.

Overall, H8-80, Tau 2, Loki Arthur Asia, G09C, Jupiter 3 Asia, appear to give the best performance to price ratio.
Mind you its all swings and roundabouts!!!
 
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DHS H8-80 is good in both 37 and 38 degree versions.
Rakza Z, and Rakza Z EH are one of my favourites. (higher price range)
Xiom Jekyll and Hyde H 52.5 (the hybrid version of Jekyll & Hyde series), only available from Asian market, never seen it available in UK (but could be wrong!!) Possibly in the higher price range.
Loki Arthur Asia & Europe is another option.
Yinhe Jupiter 3 Asia, see the thread on the forum, for detailed info. I found it fast(er) but spin not as good as Rakza Z and H8-80
Donic Bluegrip C2 is pretty similar to J&H H52, Stiga Dragon Grip
Of course there is D09C and G09C, depending on your level, G09C gives you 90% of D09C's performance for roughly 50% of the cost of D09C!!! (some may disagree!!!)
Xiom Tau 2 is another one to keep an eye on. once again only available in ASIA, when will Xiom get it right and release it to all the markets?
There are a number of Joola hybrid rubbers, but personally I would go for Golden Tango or GT PS, which has more catapult effect than the regular version.

If higher levels of tackiness are a factor, then H8-80, Rakza Z/Z EH, Golden Tango, Victas Triple Double Extra (Pricey!!) tau 2 have higher tackiness levels.
I haven't used the Tibhar Hybrids such as K3, Andro hybrids like C53, but being from the ESN stable they are likely to be similar to Stiga dragon grip, C2, J&H H52, Loki Arthur Asia, Xiom China Guang/Ying etc.

Many of these are 'BARELY TACKY' D09C and G09C included. which brings into question whether they should be classed as a 'hybrid' compare to the 'original' Hybrid rubbers ie TACKY (Chinese type top sheet) with bouncy/catapult type Euro/Jap sponge.

Overall, H8-80, Tau 2, Loki Arthur Asia, G09C, Jupiter 3 Asia, appear to give the best performance to price ratio.
Mind you its all swings and roundabouts!!!
Thanks for this! Agree with what I know/hade tried.

Another thing that differs is rubber weight. Some of these are great but very heavy (looking at you - Rakza Z!) which can be a deciding factor if you want to use them or not. The butterflies and some DHS (which can differ quite a lot between rubbers of same type) are lighter than most tensors I think.
 
Thanks both. Unfortunately in Greece we only have butterfly, donic and some stiga.

Jupiter 3 could be an interesting one, maybe it could reach the potential of higher class hybrids with some national haifu booster.

I'll probably try the glayzers since I bought a softer blade to help with the harder rubbers. Went from stiga intensity to azalea off. Probably should've gone with inner carbon, but couldn't find any at a nice price.

Do any of you have a recommendation for an inner carbon blade? Butterfly nowadays is too expensive though and stiga doesn't really have any good carbon blades, other than the cybershape, so anything from donic? Or even anything good from aliexpress?
 
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Thanks both. Unfortunately in Greece we only have butterfly, donic and some stiga.

Jupiter 3 could be an interesting one, maybe it could reach the potential of higher class hybrids with some national haifu booster.

I'll probably try the glayzers since I bought a softer blade to help with the harder rubbers. Went from stiga intensity to azalea off. Probably should've gone with inner carbon, but couldn't find any at a nice price.

Do any of you have a recommendation for an inner carbon blade? Butterfly nowadays is too expensive though and stiga doesn't really have any good carbon blades, other than the cybershape, so anything from donic? Or even anything good from aliexpress?
from my experience cheaper inner carbon Donic blades are not really good. Some have very small head sizes or splinter a lot. Also, if you want a real hybrid don’t buy Bluegrip C2 because it looses its tackiness in a few hours and plays like a regular ESN. You should look for something on Aliexpress. Yinhe, Loki, Palio and DHS have some very good affordable blades, though the latter splinters so seal them before gluing.
 
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Or even anything good from aliexpress?
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or this one
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I prefer both these blades to Butterfly Innerforce ALC
 
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or this one
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I prefer both these blades to Butterfly Innerforce ALC
Have you tried the original Long 5? How do these copies compare to that or to Innerforce ALC?
 
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or this one
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I prefer both these blades to Butterfly Innerforce ALC
I have the old stuor copy of the long v, it feels pretty dead, never got anything on it that played good, don't know why...
 
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Have you tried the original Long 5? How do these copies compare to that or to Innerforce ALC?
can only compare with Innerforce ALC .Had both the IF and the XVT side by side used with H3 rubbers and to sum it up, there was nothing I could do with IF that I could not also do with the XVT.

I do not really look at these cheap blades as copies or clones of the known brands, they are just TT-blades to me.
 
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Others have said that it’d been too slow. but apparently Stuor’s ZLC blades are good
Mine was either the stuor or lemuria copy. It says hurricanr long v, ma lone on the handle. But I'm pretty sure they all have the same print from the old gen. Wasn't that slow, it just had a bad feel, dry and dead, kind of cushioned feel, not clear contact.

It could be the rubbers, I'll give it a shot with my either my current rubbers (goldarc 8 and bluestorm z3), or my old t05 and whatever I have laying around. I'll update once I play it a few times.
 
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Mine was either the stuor or lemuria copy. It says hurricanr long v, ma lone on the handle. But I'm pretty sure they all have the same print from the old gen. Wasn't that slow, it just had a bad feel, dry and dead, kind of cushioned feel, not clear contact.

It could be the rubbers, I'll give it a shot with my either my current rubbers (goldarc 8 and bluestorm z3), or my old t05 and whatever I have laying around. I'll update once I play it a few times.
Cool, looking forward to it
 
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Just got back from practice with the Stuor Long 5.

For rubbers I put on it my old T05 and old Z3, boosted both of them with 2 layers of baby oil and let them dry for about 12 hours, it wasn't enouph and the rubbers didn't stick. So I cleaned off whatever oil wasn't fully absorbed and expected it to feel like cr@p.

To say I was surprized would be an understatement. Even with me effing up the rubbers, the blade played incredibly!
I'll compare it to the old (5,7mm) Viscaria, since it's the only other carbon blade I have, and I have a lot of experience with it.

Feel: The feel of the Long 5 was much softer than the Viscaria, understandably so because of the softer outer wood and inner arylate carbon. Weirdly enough, it didn't have many vibrations, it was pretty stiff. But again it makes sense because it's a thick blade, 6mm while Viscaria is 5,7 and the updated Vis is 5,8.

Dwell: The blade had bundles of dwell, a lot more than the Viscaria. You could feel the blade just sink into the blade and not worry for the ball shooting off like you do with the Viscaria.

Weight: Weight is a weird one, I didn't measure the weight of either blade before the gluing. The Long 5 feels pretty much the same exact weight, but has it more towards the head. If I had to guess, I would say the weight is between 85 and 90 gramms.

Sweet spot: I would say that it's almost identical. The long 5 has a taller sweet spot because it has a longer head, while the Viscaria has a wider sweet spot for the opposite reason.

Forehand: Due to the head-heaviness of the blade and with the combination of the soft outer wood and inner carbon, I haven't played with a better topspin machine, no matter how you hit the ball, it would just bite, grip and spin, bite in a good way, incredible feeling. Countering on the table was effortless because of the dwell and dirrect nature of the blade. Mid and long distance was also perfect, I have nothing to add here, just perfect.

Backhand: Here's where it gets interesting... You would expect the backhand to be weaker because of the head heavy nature of the blade and yes it was, compared the the Viscaria that has the perfect balance, even with heavy rubbers. You needed more wrist power to get a good consistent brushing and clear contact, but once you do it, it felt the same with the forehand. It does need a shorter stroke, but due to the head-heaviness, you could use that weight as sort of a catapult. So overall it was good, but not perfect. If you do a bigger motion, the backhand gets weak and looses clear feel.

Speed and Control: Speedwise, I would say that it is somewhere around the Clipper, faster when you put power and activate the carbon, but slower when blocking, unless you punch, and play around the net. That's a combination of soft top play and inner carbon. Due to the thicker construction the Long 5 gets faster than the Viscaria at the top, but you need to put a bit of effort to get it. It does maintain better control at the top speed than the Viscaria too.

Throw angle: The throw angle is medium while Viscaria's is medium high. Allows for better counters and close to the table play. The Viscaria is better from a distance and has a better backhand, due to that throw, also opening up from backspin take less effort. On the other hand the Long 5 can rip through the ball at opening up backspins due to the lower throw. When not ripping the ball, it will need better brushing, or a slightly more open bat angle.

Push/receive/backspin: The Viscaria is far more bouncy and reacts worse when receiving, it's easier to throw the ball out and into the net since there's less time on the ball, that's the effect of a harder outer ply and the outer carbon. When playing offensively though the Viscaria has an upper hand because of its higher throw and more crisp feeling, also its more aggresive bite.

Serve: Serves are totally different, Long 5 has more dwell and slower speed so it's easier to serve with more spin and more accurately. On the other hand the Viscaria is better for diceptive serves since it needs a snappier move to put spin.

Playstyle: The Long V needs bigger moves to pull the power out of the inner alc and core. Countering and aggressive play are needed to make use of the blade. The Viscaria is another beast entirely, it likes mid distance rallies and spinny open ups. It needs explosiveness to use the shorter duell to its full extent. Due to the shorter duell, it can also counter like a beast and the added power and feel only help it.

Conclusion: If you want to play attacking topspins and dominate the game with your forehand from close or even distance, control backhand and power over spin, the Long 5 is made for that. If your game is spinny, want a balance between forehand and backhand, spinny first topspin and mid distance looping and rallies with both wings, the Viscaria is better. Shorter dwell helps with countering heavy spin and allows for shorter more explosive moves, hence the backhand balance. The Long 5 has more dwell and can use the opponent's spin and power to give it right back to your opponent. The longer head and slimmer handle throw the weight towards the head of the blade and forces a longer and smoother tecnique. The Viscaria has a perfect weight balance and a compact head that allows for short moves and more use of the wrist. The balance doesn't get thrown off even with heavy rubbers and allows for a sharper backhand.

I trully hope this was useful, it's not complete of course, but it should be good enough.

Happy reading and sorry for making it that long, I was in the mood! XD
 
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Just got back from practice with the Stuor Long 5.

For rubbers I put on it my old T05 and old Z3, boosted both of them with 2 layers of baby oil and let them dry for about 12 hours, it wasn't enouph and the rubbers didn't stick. So I cleaned off whatever oil wasn't fully absorbed and expected it to feel like cr@p.

To say I was surprized would be an understatement. Even with me effing up the rubbers, the blade played incredibly!
I'll compare it to the old (5,7mm) Viscaria, since it's the only other carbon blade I have, and I have a lot of experience with it.

Feel: The feel of the Long 5 was much softer than the Viscaria, understandably so because of the softer outer wood and inner arylate carbon. Weirdly enough, it didn't have many vibrations, it was pretty stiff. But again it makes sense because it's a thick blade, 6mm while Viscaria is 5,7 and the updated Vis is 5,8.

Dwell: The blade had bundles of dwell, a lot more than the Viscaria. You could feel the blade just sink into the blade and not worry for the ball shooting off like you do with the Viscaria.

Weight: Weight is a weird one, I didn't measure the weight of either blade before the gluing. The Long 5 feels pretty much the same exact weight, but has it more towards the head. If I had to guess, I would say the weight is between 85 and 90 gramms.

Sweet spot: I would say that it's almost identical. The long 5 has a taller sweet spot because it has a longer head, while the Viscaria has a wider sweet spot for the opposite reason.

Forehand: Due to the head-heaviness of the blade and with the combination of the soft outer wood and inner carbon, I haven't played with a better topspin machine, no matter how you hit the ball, it would just bite, grip and spin, bite in a good way, incredible feeling. Countering on the table was effortless because of the dwell and dirrect nature of the blade. Mid and long distance was also perfect, I have nothing to add here, just perfect.

Backhand: Here's where it gets interesting... You would expect the backhand to be weaker because of the head heavy nature of the blade and yes it was, compared the the Viscaria that has the perfect balance, even with heavy rubbers. You needed more wrist power to get a good consistent brushing and clear contact, but once you do it, it felt the same with the forehand. It does need a shorter stroke, but due to the head-heaviness, you could use that weight as sort of a catapult. So overall it was good, but not perfect. If you do a bigger motion, the backhand gets weak and looses clear feel.

Speed and Control: Speedwise, I would say that it is somewhere around the Clipper, faster when you put power and activate the carbon, but slower when blocking, unless you punch, and play around the net. That's a combination of soft top play and inner carbon. Due to the thicker construction the Long 5 gets faster than the Viscaria at the top, but you need to put a bit of effort to get it. It does maintain better control at the top speed than the Viscaria too.

Throw angle: The throw angle is medium while Viscaria's is medium high. Allows for better counters and close to the table play. The Viscaria is better from a distance and has a better backhand, due to that throw, also opening up from backspin take less effort. On the other hand the Long 5 can rip through the ball at opening up backspins due to the lower throw. When not ripping the ball, it will need better brushing, or a slightly more open bat angle.

Push/receive/backspin: The Viscaria is far more bouncy and reacts worse when receiving, it's easier to throw the ball out and into the net since there's less time on the ball, that's the effect of a harder outer ply and the outer carbon. When playing offensively though the Viscaria has an upper hand because of its higher throw and more crisp feeling, also its more aggresive bite.

Serve: Serves are totally different, Long 5 has more dwell and slower speed so it's easier to serve with more spin and more accurately. On the other hand the Viscaria is better for diceptive serves since it needs a snappier move to put spin.

Playstyle: The Long V needs bigger moves to pull the power out of the inner alc and core. Countering and aggressive play are needed to make use of the blade. The Viscaria is another beast entirely, it likes mid distance rallies and spinny open ups. It needs explosiveness to use the shorter duell to its full extent. Due to the shorter duell, it can also counter like a beast and the added power and feel only help it.

Conclusion: If you want to play attacking topspins and dominate the game with your forehand from close or even distance, control backhand and power over spin, the Long 5 is made for that. If your game is spinny, want a balance between forehand and backhand, spinny first topspin and mid distance looping and rallies with both wings, the Viscaria is better. Shorter dwell helps with countering heavy spin and allows for shorter more explosive moves, hence the backhand balance. The Long 5 has more dwell and can use the opponent's spin and power to give it right back to your opponent. The longer head and slimmer handle throw the weight towards the head of the blade and forces a longer and smoother tecnique. The Viscaria has a perfect weight balance and a compact head that allows for short moves and more use of the wrist. The balance doesn't get thrown off even with heavy rubbers and allows for a sharper backhand.

I trully hope this was useful, it's not complete of course, but it should be good enough.

Happy reading and sorry for making it that long, I was in the mood! XD

Did you try an Innerforce ALC? Sounds like you want an inner carbon with a smaller head.
 
Did you try an Innerforce ALC? Sounds like you want an inner carbon with a smaller head.
This is just a review of the stuor copy of the long v. I would love to try the innerforce alc, but in Greece they are about 170€... They are way too expensive, plus they are unavailable. There's only the harimoto alc and other named blades, but are too expensive.

I'll probably stick to the azalea for now and put the glayzers on it, and next year I'll see.
 
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Just got back from practice with the Stuor Long 5.

For rubbers I put on it my old T05 and old Z3, boosted both of them with 2 layers of baby oil and let them dry for about 12 hours, it wasn't enouph and the rubbers didn't stick. So I cleaned off whatever oil wasn't fully absorbed and expected it to feel like cr@p.

To say I was surprized would be an understatement. Even with me effing up the rubbers, the blade played incredibly!
I'll compare it to the old (5,7mm) Viscaria, since it's the only other carbon blade I have, and I have a lot of experience with it.

Feel: The feel of the Long 5 was much softer than the Viscaria, understandably so because of the softer outer wood and inner arylate carbon. Weirdly enough, it didn't have many vibrations, it was pretty stiff. But again it makes sense because it's a thick blade, 6mm while Viscaria is 5,7 and the updated Vis is 5,8.

Dwell: The blade had bundles of dwell, a lot more than the Viscaria. You could feel the blade just sink into the blade and not worry for the ball shooting off like you do with the Viscaria.

Weight: Weight is a weird one, I didn't measure the weight of either blade before the gluing. The Long 5 feels pretty much the same exact weight, but has it more towards the head. If I had to guess, I would say the weight is between 85 and 90 gramms.

Sweet spot: I would say that it's almost identical. The long 5 has a taller sweet spot because it has a longer head, while the Viscaria has a wider sweet spot for the opposite reason.

Forehand: Due to the head-heaviness of the blade and with the combination of the soft outer wood and inner carbon, I haven't played with a better topspin machine, no matter how you hit the ball, it would just bite, grip and spin, bite in a good way, incredible feeling. Countering on the table was effortless because of the dwell and dirrect nature of the blade. Mid and long distance was also perfect, I have nothing to add here, just perfect.

Backhand: Here's where it gets interesting... You would expect the backhand to be weaker because of the head heavy nature of the blade and yes it was, compared the the Viscaria that has the perfect balance, even with heavy rubbers. You needed more wrist power to get a good consistent brushing and clear contact, but once you do it, it felt the same with the forehand. It does need a shorter stroke, but due to the head-heaviness, you could use that weight as sort of a catapult. So overall it was good, but not perfect. If you do a bigger motion, the backhand gets weak and looses clear feel.

Speed and Control: Speedwise, I would say that it is somewhere around the Clipper, faster when you put power and activate the carbon, but slower when blocking, unless you punch, and play around the net. That's a combination of soft top play and inner carbon. Due to the thicker construction the Long 5 gets faster than the Viscaria at the top, but you need to put a bit of effort to get it. It does maintain better control at the top speed than the Viscaria too.

Throw angle: The throw angle is medium while Viscaria's is medium high. Allows for better counters and close to the table play. The Viscaria is better from a distance and has a better backhand, due to that throw, also opening up from backspin take less effort. On the other hand the Long 5 can rip through the ball at opening up backspins due to the lower throw. When not ripping the ball, it will need better brushing, or a slightly more open bat angle.

Push/receive/backspin: The Viscaria is far more bouncy and reacts worse when receiving, it's easier to throw the ball out and into the net since there's less time on the ball, that's the effect of a harder outer ply and the outer carbon. When playing offensively though the Viscaria has an upper hand because of its higher throw and more crisp feeling, also its more aggresive bite.

Serve: Serves are totally different, Long 5 has more dwell and slower speed so it's easier to serve with more spin and more accurately. On the other hand the Viscaria is better for diceptive serves since it needs a snappier move to put spin.

Playstyle: The Long V needs bigger moves to pull the power out of the inner alc and core. Countering and aggressive play are needed to make use of the blade. The Viscaria is another beast entirely, it likes mid distance rallies and spinny open ups. It needs explosiveness to use the shorter duell to its full extent. Due to the shorter duell, it can also counter like a beast and the added power and feel only help it.

Conclusion: If you want to play attacking topspins and dominate the game with your forehand from close or even distance, control backhand and power over spin, the Long 5 is made for that. If your game is spinny, want a balance between forehand and backhand, spinny first topspin and mid distance looping and rallies with both wings, the Viscaria is better. Shorter dwell helps with countering heavy spin and allows for shorter more explosive moves, hence the backhand balance. The Long 5 has more dwell and can use the opponent's spin and power to give it right back to your opponent. The longer head and slimmer handle throw the weight towards the head of the blade and forces a longer and smoother tecnique. The Viscaria has a perfect weight balance and a compact head that allows for short moves and more use of the wrist. The balance doesn't get thrown off even with heavy rubbers and allows for a sharper backhand.

I trully hope this was useful, it's not complete of course, but it should be good enough.

Happy reading and sorry for making it that long, I was in the mood! XD
I don't have much to add that I played with my friend's DHS Long V and it vibrates a bit. I actually like my Stuor Long V better!

Agree little to no vibration.

Heavy blade with all the set-up.

It is not my favorite blade. I am still testing it so not much more to add. Out of the three clone blade makers in China, XVT, Stuor and Lemuria, I like Stuor the most.
 
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Just got back from practice with the Stuor Long 5.

For rubbers I put on it my old T05 and old Z3, boosted both of them with 2 layers of baby oil and let them dry for about 12 hours, it wasn't enouph and the rubbers didn't stick. So I cleaned off whatever oil wasn't fully absorbed and expected it to feel like cr@p.

To say I was surprized would be an understatement. Even with me effing up the rubbers, the blade played incredibly!
I'll compare it to the old (5,7mm) Viscaria, since it's the only other carbon blade I have, and I have a lot of experience with it.

Feel: The feel of the Long 5 was much softer than the Viscaria, understandably so because of the softer outer wood and inner arylate carbon. Weirdly enough, it didn't have many vibrations, it was pretty stiff. But again it makes sense because it's a thick blade, 6mm while Viscaria is 5,7 and the updated Vis is 5,8.

Dwell: The blade had bundles of dwell, a lot more than the Viscaria. You could feel the blade just sink into the blade and not worry for the ball shooting off like you do with the Viscaria.

Weight: Weight is a weird one, I didn't measure the weight of either blade before the gluing. The Long 5 feels pretty much the same exact weight, but has it more towards the head. If I had to guess, I would say the weight is between 85 and 90 gramms.

Sweet spot: I would say that it's almost identical. The long 5 has a taller sweet spot because it has a longer head, while the Viscaria has a wider sweet spot for the opposite reason.

Forehand: Due to the head-heaviness of the blade and with the combination of the soft outer wood and inner carbon, I haven't played with a better topspin machine, no matter how you hit the ball, it would just bite, grip and spin, bite in a good way, incredible feeling. Countering on the table was effortless because of the dwell and dirrect nature of the blade. Mid and long distance was also perfect, I have nothing to add here, just perfect.

Backhand: Here's where it gets interesting... You would expect the backhand to be weaker because of the head heavy nature of the blade and yes it was, compared the the Viscaria that has the perfect balance, even with heavy rubbers. You needed more wrist power to get a good consistent brushing and clear contact, but once you do it, it felt the same with the forehand. It does need a shorter stroke, but due to the head-heaviness, you could use that weight as sort of a catapult. So overall it was good, but not perfect. If you do a bigger motion, the backhand gets weak and looses clear feel.

Speed and Control: Speedwise, I would say that it is somewhere around the Clipper, faster when you put power and activate the carbon, but slower when blocking, unless you punch, and play around the net. That's a combination of soft top play and inner carbon. Due to the thicker construction the Long 5 gets faster than the Viscaria at the top, but you need to put a bit of effort to get it. It does maintain better control at the top speed than the Viscaria too.

Throw angle: The throw angle is medium while Viscaria's is medium high. Allows for better counters and close to the table play. The Viscaria is better from a distance and has a better backhand, due to that throw, also opening up from backspin take less effort. On the other hand the Long 5 can rip through the ball at opening up backspins due to the lower throw. When not ripping the ball, it will need better brushing, or a slightly more open bat angle.

Push/receive/backspin: The Viscaria is far more bouncy and reacts worse when receiving, it's easier to throw the ball out and into the net since there's less time on the ball, that's the effect of a harder outer ply and the outer carbon. When playing offensively though the Viscaria has an upper hand because of its higher throw and more crisp feeling, also its more aggresive bite.

Serve: Serves are totally different, Long 5 has more dwell and slower speed so it's easier to serve with more spin and more accurately. On the other hand the Viscaria is better for diceptive serves since it needs a snappier move to put spin.

Playstyle: The Long V needs bigger moves to pull the power out of the inner alc and core. Countering and aggressive play are needed to make use of the blade. The Viscaria is another beast entirely, it likes mid distance rallies and spinny open ups. It needs explosiveness to use the shorter duell to its full extent. Due to the shorter duell, it can also counter like a beast and the added power and feel only help it.

Conclusion: If you want to play attacking topspins and dominate the game with your forehand from close or even distance, control backhand and power over spin, the Long 5 is made for that. If your game is spinny, want a balance between forehand and backhand, spinny first topspin and mid distance looping and rallies with both wings, the Viscaria is better. Shorter dwell helps with countering heavy spin and allows for shorter more explosive moves, hence the backhand balance. The Long 5 has more dwell and can use the opponent's spin and power to give it right back to your opponent. The longer head and slimmer handle throw the weight towards the head of the blade and forces a longer and smoother tecnique. The Viscaria has a perfect weight balance and a compact head that allows for short moves and more use of the wrist. The balance doesn't get thrown off even with heavy rubbers and allows for a sharper backhand.

I trully hope this was useful, it's not complete of course, but it should be good enough.

Happy reading and sorry for making it that long, I was in the mood! XD
Great review! I too have now switched to an internally reinforced blade after several years of playing with outer carbon blades like Viscaria. I like it much better now, although I tried internal carbon before and was not impressed. Perhaps these changes are related to the ball we are playing with now - a different plastic. I bought a clone of Viscaria Stuor for my former partner and he still plays with it. Great blade. As for the factory for the production of blades, unlike rubber production, it does not require special technologies or premises; at least my dad makes the blades that I now play with on his own in his apartment. Here, materials and their quality, as well as an understanding of how to use them correctly, are much more important. This does not depend at all on the size of the factory, but only on access to materials and knowledge of the people who produce these blades.
 
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