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what USATT rating did you start coaching at? I would love to get into this eventually, although i know i still need to develop a lot of technique. I was a soccer coach for 10 years. I know i have the ability to coach...however, i'm still too new in this sport. I think i could coach the newbie players well enough until passing them on to a more experienced coach. Ive given quick "lessons and tips" to people at my club and i've seen some newer players make quick improvements from some of the advice and practice sessions ive done with them. I wonder if it would be reasonable to charge /offer $20 an hour (half the going rate in my area) to the sub 900 players at my club,
 
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Jslick,

You ask a fair question here.

I been helping players when I was 1900s and upper 2000s.... but that would not be an absolute.

My ability is to coach adult learners. I got that from learning and being able too SEE and SHOW biomechanics, all the strokes, how to create spin, how to see impact, get into position on leverage, how to adjust, how to read opponent...

Many 2200+ players have next to zero ability to articulate this and read/demonstrate this in language an adult or can get them to deal with process.
 
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Jslick,

You ask a fair question here.

I been helping players when I was 1900s and upper 2000s.... but that would not be an absolute.

My ability is to coach adult learners. I got that from learning and being able too SEE and SHOW biomechanics, all the strokes, how to create spin, how to see impact, get into position on leverage, how to adjust, how to read opponent...

Many 2200+ players have next to zero ability to articulate this and read/demonstrate this in language an adult or can get them to deal with process.
On anther note, adults need a unit of measure.

If a competent coach cannot raise the level of a 1000 level player a significant amount (we would say a few hundred rating points) in a reasonable time (like say an hour a week for 1 to 1.5 years) then in 99 percent of situations it is the coach's fault.

So I tell the player if I do not raise their level so it is a night and day difference, then fire me, I am no good.

Ironically, after I started coaching ldm7, a friend of his returned after a couple month absence, had a hit with him and saw a night and day difference, he asked what happened, he heard I coached him, so he got, I gave that guy advice for free before and he got it.

Coaching that friend of ldm7 is almost like cheating, he picks stuff up quick if you are reasonable.
 
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Jslick,

You ask a fair question here.

I been helping players when I was 1900s and upper 2000s.... but that would not be an absolute.

My ability is to coach adult learners. I got that from learning and being able too SEE and SHOW biomechanics, all the strokes, how to create spin, how to see impact, get into position on leverage, how to adjust, how to read opponent...

Many 2200+ players have next to zero ability to articulate this and read/demonstrate this in language an adult or can get them to deal with process.
fair enough. Thank you for your insights. I definitely agree that you can be an exceptionally talented player but have zero ability to train or coach developing players. I was never the best soccer player, but i'm a student of everything i participate in, so i take the time to soak up as much information as possible and the best way to learn information is to help others learn that information with you. In that sense, I think i would eventually make an above average TT coach. I'll give myself another year or two of training before i break into this next aspect of the sport.

Also, by your metric, I am happy to confirm I have a great coach. You may even know him since it seems like you are fimiliar with many in the northern California table tennis communities). In one year, i've gone up 500 rating points.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to take as many lessons as I would like since I'm busy being a married man, and i'm only playing at the club 1-2 times a week (and 3 times a week on my robot) and lessons 1-2 times a month but i'm still happy with my progress. i'm going to be sad when my coach moves next month.
 
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What happened? All of the sudden the past 2 weeks I feel i lost my spark and passion and energy and joy for playing TT. Many times im just going through the motions but i feel disinterested. Many times i dont even change into my shoes and just play in boots.

I feel a bit lost and i dont know what to practice or what to focus on.
Maybe just take a couple weeks off. Sometimes passion for the game comes in waves and some time off can help to gain motivation again.
 
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From the science and training side of things: taking a week or two off periodically will actually cause you to improve faster.

The first reason is that, in that two week period of not playing, your brain processes some stuff it was blocked on when you were training day after day.

The second reason only really applies if you train hard and play a lot. If you are in that category, the two week break will allow your body to heal and grow stronger absorbing all the strengthening it should from the pain and punishment you have put your body through. With the extra time to heal, you come back from that two week break stronger and ready to push harder.

Sometimes those responses where you start losing interest or are not looking forward to playing are because you have been overtraining and your mind and body actually really need the break.

A week or two scheduled into your training every 3-4 months, where you consciously don't play TT and do other things instead is not like what Lodro was referring to about how everything had to stop during COVID.

But it is interesting how, if you schedule that in periodically, you will most likely get better faster and have longer periods between plateaus.
 
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what USATT rating did you start coaching at? I would love to get into this eventually, although i know i still need to develop a lot of technique. I was a soccer coach for 10 years. I know i have the ability to coach...however, i'm still too new in this sport. I think i could coach the newbie players well enough until passing them on to a more experienced coach. Ive given quick "lessons and tips" to people at my club and i've seen some newer players make quick improvements from some of the advice and practice sessions ive done with them. I wonder if it would be reasonable to charge /offer $20 an hour (half the going rate in my area) to the sub 900 players at my club,

Der_Echte is a unique character who has an interesting approach to coaching and I think he may be an exception.....I would also say NextLevel is as well. These two work with people very differently than what you might think of as a standard coaching model and they are very effective at working with ADULT Learners.

So, I just want to give you a bit of a warning on this advice. :)

I am a weird character who has turned more than one hobby into a career. It is worth being cautious with this. It could be great. But it also could cause you to lose interest in the hobby. I used to skate ramps and was sponsored and sent to competitions and then I skated ramps in Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus as a performer for a few years. When I stopped doing that, I still loved skating. Why I stopped was that the risk was too big once I had kids. That was my calculus on that subject.

I am currently and have been since I left the circus, a yoga teacher. I would say, a lot of what I do is actually movement analysis and neuromuscular repatterning to help people use their bodies more functionally. I have to say, what I do for a living, I have never done anything I enjoy anywhere near as much.

But with table tennis, I would warn that you have to be a particular sort to love coaching TT the someone like Der or NL do. But it is worth knowing that, TT is one of the most aggravatingly technical and complex sports ever invented. When you look at someone who is trying to learn, and do something simple like a FH Loop, you will see thousands of things that all need to be fixed. Limiting yourself to just a few things that person needs to work on can be challenging and if you throw too much at a student, they simply won't learn any of it. Also, in one session a student can learn something and look great; and then the next time you see them, they have unlearned that and are back to the old habit.

With how complex and frustrating TT is for a coach trying to help a student, you also WILL NOT BE playing TT yourself while you are coaching. So, some who start coaching start feeling they are wasting their own time and their game is stagnating as a result.

However, if you are like Der_Echte and NextLevel and really like and enjoy the problem solving aspect of figuring out how to effectively get a TT Enthusiast to go from one level to another, that would be the reason to look into coaching.....but you would not be doing much playing of TT while you are coaching.

I just want to make sure you are clear on that. :)
 
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Der_Echte is a unique character who has an interesting approach to coaching and I think he may be an exception.....I would also say NextLevel is as well. These two work with people very differently than what you might think of as a standard coaching model and they are very effective at working with ADULT Learners.

So, I just want to give you a bit of a warning on this advice. :)

I am a weird character who has turned more than one hobby into a career. It is worth being cautious with this. It could be great. But it also could cause you to lose interest in the hobby. I used to skate ramps and was sponsored and sent to competitions and then I skated ramps in Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus as a performer for a few years. When I stopped doing that, I still loved skating. Why I stopped was that the risk was too big once I had kids. That was my calculus on that subject.

I am currently and have been since I left the circus, a yoga teacher. I would say, a lot of what I do is actually movement analysis and neuromuscular repatterning to help people use their bodies more functionally. I have to say, what I do for a living, I have never done anything I enjoy anywhere near as much.

But with table tennis, I would warn that you have to be a particular sort to love coaching TT the someone like Der or NL do. But it is worth knowing that, TT is one of the most aggravatingly technical and complex sports ever invented. When you look at someone who is trying to learn, and do something simple like a FH Loop, you will see thousands of things that all need to be fixed. Limiting yourself to just a few things that person needs to work on can be challenging and if you throw too much at a student, they simply won't learn any of it. Also, in one session a student can learn something and look great; and then the next time you see them, they have unlearned that and are back to the old habit.

With how complex and frustrating TT is for a coach trying to help a student, you also WILL NOT BE playing TT yourself while you are coaching. So, some who start coaching start feeling they are wasting their own time and their game is stagnating as a result.

However, if you are like Der_Echte and NextLevel and really like and enjoy the problem solving aspect of figuring out how to effectively get a TT Enthusiast to go from one level to another, that would be the reason to look into coaching.....but you would not be doing much playing of TT while you are coaching.

I just want to make sure you are clear on that. :)
Hey upsidedowncarl,

so it turns out that der_echte and I actually know each other. He's given me some free tips on occasion at my local club, and even kicked my ass with his spinny loops (in sandals, none the less). I wonder if you and I actually know each other too?

That is awesome you were in the circus. My grandpa ran away to the circus because he didn't want to be in highschool any more. He was a trapeze artists for a while. Eventually he came back down to earth and joined the army though, but I always joke that he is the reason i am able to walk so gracefully on my slackline.

Even with the things you mentioned, I believe I would eventually love to coach table tennis. Not as a full time gig but as a way to give back to the community (and earn a little fun money) and improve the new players so that they can grow to enjoy this wonderful sport as much as I have.
 
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Hey upsidedowncarl,

so it turns out that der_echte and I actually know each other. He's given me some free tips on occasion at my local club, and even kicked my ass with his spinny loops (in sandals, none the less). I wonder if you and I actually know each other too?

That is awesome you were in the circus. My grandpa ran away to the circus because he didn't want to be in highschool any more. He was a trapeze artists for a while. Eventually he came back down to earth and joined the army though, but I always joke that he is the reason i am able to walk so gracefully on my slackline.

Even with the things you mentioned, I believe I would eventually love to coach table tennis. Not as a full time gig but as a way to give back to the community (and earn a little fun money) and improve the new players so that they can grow to enjoy this wonderful sport as much as I have.
If most of what you say in the last paragraph is true, then coaching is worth looking into. As far as fun money, one of the things for me is that I know I earn 5-20x as much per hour (depending on who I am working with) with what I do professionally. So, I am not sure I would call it fun money. But.....that would be relative. So, if $20-100 per hours is a good amount for you....then it might be fun money. :)

As far as the circus, I really never wanted to be in a circus myself. I actually waited till the last day of the deadline to sign the contract because, when I found out I would be working with the circus, I came close to not going. In the end I decided that, if I never went, I would never know if it was worth going. And if I went and decided I should leave, I could just break the contract. A two year tour was enough for me. I would not change it for anything but I would never do it again. Parts of it were amazing and great. And parts of it were ungodly awful. :) Just reality.

Knowing Der_.....I think that may mean you are in Cali....Is that right? If yes, it is unlikely we know each other. If you are on the east coast and were going to tournaments 10 years ago, then it is possible we know each other. :)

Truthfully, my wife passed on (breast cancer) in 2017 and at the time my evil offspring (child) was 14 years old. When that happened I really needed to be a full time, double full time parent and have not really had much time for playing TT since. Before that, I would play 15-25 hours a week and now, maybe I play 6 hours a year. My level has not really changed much since 2017. Maybe it went up a little. I return serves better and generate more spin on my BH loops. But....my priority since then has been being a parent (Mr Mom) and working pretty darn full time so my kid has a good future. It was hard having a kid who lost a parent....it was hard losing my wife but, keeping my evil offspring alive was much harder in the period shortly before through till now. So....I read the forum, I try and see that things are staying civil.....But I don't have that much time for actual play. Only once in a while.

Ironically, based on Lodro's comment, I played more during COVID than most because I had access to a table and people to play with and was doing not much else aside from taking care of the kiddo.
 
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If most of what you say in the last paragraph is true, then coaching is worth looking into. As far as fun money, one of the things for me is that I know I earn 5-20x as much per hour (depending on who I am working with) with what I do professionally. So, I am not sure I would call it fun money. But.....that would be relative. So, if $20-100 per hours is a good amount for you....then it might be fun money. :)

As far as the circus, I really never wanted to be in a circus myself. I actually waited till the last day of the deadline to sign the contract because, when I found out I would be working with the circus, I came close to not going. In the end I decided that, if I never went, I would never know if it was worth going. And if I went and decided I should leave, I could just break the contract. A two year tour was enough for me. I would not change it for anything but I would never do it again. Parts of it were amazing and great. And parts of it were ungodly awful. :) Just reality.

Knowing Der_.....I think that may mean you are in Cali....Is that right? If yes, it is unlikely we know each other. If you are on the east coast and were going to tournaments 10 years ago, then it is possible we know each other. :)

Truthfully, my wife passed on (breast cancer) in 2017 and at the time my evil offspring (child) was 14 years old. When that happened I really needed to be a full time, double full time parent and have not really had much time for playing TT since. Before that, I would play 15-25 hours a week and now, maybe I play 6 hours a year. My level has not really changed much since 2017. Maybe it went up a little. I return serves better and generate more spin on my BH loops. But....my priority since then has been being a parent (Mr Mom) and working pretty darn full time so my kid has a good future. It was hard having a kid who lost a parent....it was hard losing my wife but, keeping my evil offspring alive was much harder in the period shortly before through till now. So....I read the forum, I try and see that things are staying civil.....But I don't have that much time for actual play. Only once in a while.

Ironically, based on Lodro's comment, I played more during COVID than most because I had access to a table and people to play with and was doing not much else aside from taking care of the kiddo.
Hey Carl-

I also have a full time professional career where I earn a decent salary with potential for a lot of growth. But right now I get that job done in 40 hours a week. A side hustle with something I enjoy doing seems like an easy way to make some money to finance a power pong omega :D

Would love to see some videos of you performing in the circus. I can only imagine it was a tough life but also fun at timess, especially during the actual performances.

Yes, I am in northern california. in the valley. Sounds like we don't know each other. I would love to play on the east coast sometime though! I might be making a trip to new york. I told my wife i'm bringing my paddle if we do go.

Sorry to hear about the passing of your way. cancer is the worst. Hopefully you can find some more time to play TT in the furture.
 
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Or teach gf how to play TT
I'm actually thinking about teaching mine how to become a long pips pushblocker - since that is probably the quickest path she can become a reasonably good player lol...
 
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what USATT rating did you start coaching at? I would love to get into this eventually, although i know i still need to develop a lot of technique. I was a soccer coach for 10 years. I know i have the ability to coach...however, i'm still too new in this sport. I think i could coach the newbie players well enough until passing them on to a more experienced coach. Ive given quick "lessons and tips" to people at my club and i've seen some newer players make quick improvements from some of the advice and practice sessions ive done with them. I wonder if it would be reasonable to charge /offer $20 an hour (half the going rate in my area) to the sub 900 players at my club,
IMHO, you should coach as much as you want too. Try as much as possible to stay in a range of credibility where your strengths are known and you know how to plug and supplement your limitations. Since you already have DerEchre close to you, the fact he can mentor you on some things is extremely valuable. There are many videos and websites that help with coaching. And you can visit a camp with a high level coach to get back in touch with the game as a learner every so often if you are so inclined. Finding good (and affordable) coaching is a problem in the US for attracting players so any contribution you make to that is valuable.
 
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