JTTA: Selection System to be Revamped for Paris 2024

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Overall, Hirano has the highest win rate over China but her teammates are going into the later rounds of international/national tournaments more frequently, hence their higher rankings.
A more accurate description would be "more frequently, because of and hence their higher rankings".

A fairer comparison would be how often they reached, and better yet, went beyond their respective seeding positions.

You will be surprised at how shaky Hayata can be in this cycle, in similar fashion to SYB, despite the significant edge in WR.
 
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With Hirano being the only one who didn't mention about nervousness and Hayata the only one who didn't mention about non-CNT players, I have a bad feeling about this.

パリ五輪男子日本代表が出発前の羽田空港で意気込みを語る「良い経験も悪い経験も、全てがこのパリのため」(張本)
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/193296
女子日本代表がパリ五輪に向けての意気込み語る「3年間準備したことを全て出し切る」(早田)
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/193337
いざ決戦の地へ!パリ五輪卓球競技日本代表選手団がフランスへ出発!
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/193383

【インタビュー】卓球男子日本代表がパリへ出発!エース・張本智和が想いを語る「間違いなく日本のトップ3、僕たちなら団体でメダルを獲れる」
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoPZqpcbiXw

【インタビュー】卓球女子日本代表がパリ五輪へ!中国撃破・メダル獲得へ「プレッシャーを3人で乗り越えて、準備してきた3年間を全部出し切る」
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846wwvsaQcs
 
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An extremely unlucky person? Mizutani is a lucky bastard.

Japan women's gymnastics captain out of Paris Games for smoking
https://www.reuters.com/sports/olym...t-paris-games-smoking-report-says-2024-07-18/

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The first passage goes like this...

1、責任ある行動
私達はオリンピック・世界日本代表に選ばれた時点から、卓球界を代表して多くの卓球ファン・卓球関係者・ひいては国民に大きな期待と注目を受ける存在となることを自覚する。
各ナショナルチーム選手・スタッフに選ばれた時点から、「日の丸」を胸に付けた、卓球界の代表としての誇りを忘れない。
私達の競技活動には国民の税金を含む強化資金が提供されており、遠征や合宿の費用には国費が含まれていることを理解しなくてはならない。こうしたことからも多くの卓球ファン・卓球関係者・ひいては国民の大きな期待に応えるには、競技での活躍だけでなく、競技を離れた場でも社会の模範となる行動を心がける。
1. Responsible action
From the time we were chosen as the Olympics and Japan representatives of the world, we are aware that many table tennis fans, people related to table tennis, and eventually people will receive great expectations and attention on behalf of the table tennis world.
From the time they were chosen by each national team player / staff, I will never forget the pride of being a representative of the table tennis world with "Hinomaru" on my chest.
It must be understood that our competition activities are provided with enhanced funds, including national taxes, and that expedition and training camp costs include national expenses. For these reasons, in order to meet the great expectations of many ping-pong fans, ping-pong officials, and the people, not only play an active role in competitions, but also act as a model for society outside the competition.
 
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Mascot Watanabe: This time, the women's members are the strongest members of Japan currently.
Coach Ito who just won WTT SCT Bangkok 2024: Am I a joke to you?
YOTSUMOTO Naomi: The women's members this year are the strongest-ever.

2024/07/23
DayDay. 【MCは武田真一と山里亮太!情報&エンタメ&おしゃべり】
 
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Most popular sports of Paris Olympics (elementary school/junior high school students)
1 Volleyball 11.5%
2 Table Tennis 7.5%
3 Soccer 6.1%
4 Swimming 5.8%
5 Basketball 5.6%

パリ五輪「卓球」が若い世代から熱い支持…人気のウラにあった“3つの大改革”【THE TIME,】
https://newsdig.tbs.co.jp/articles/-/1310846?display=1
 
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JTTA after seeing the draws: To hell with fairness in the selection system for LA 2028!
 
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0936 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/07/25(木) 00:22:55.02
早田はもう引退するまでインシャにストーカーされるんかな
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I wonder if Yingsha will be stalking Hayata until she retires

0938 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/07/25(木) 00:34:29.89
早田よりギリギリ8シードの平野の方が良いドローなの面白いな
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It's interesting that Hirano, who is just barely the 8th seed, has a better draw than Hayata

0939 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/07/25(木) 00:36:10.95
平野に運の風が来てるよな
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The wind of luck is blowing towards Hirano

0967 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/07/25(木) 03:05:39.44
早田は相変わらずドロ−運の悪さ 平野は恵まれたから持ってる運が違うわ
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Hayata is still unlucky with the draw, Hirano has been blessed with it, so she has different luck

0974 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/07/25(木) 08:16:01.80
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Hirano is lucky to have Yubin's quarter. If Szocs beats CM, there's a chance she'll make it to the final.

0977 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/07/25(木) 09:41:49.93
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For Hayata, it's no longer down to luck, but the red thread of fate between her and Yingsha
 
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Paris 2024
XD R16
Ri Jong Sik/Kim Kum Yong 4-1 Harimoto/Hayata (5, -7, 4, 13, 10)

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/wtt-singapore-smash-2024-3-7-3-17.33147/post-446982
It might sound cruel, but if you're one of the top 2 Japanese women, you just can't be losing to players like Lily(@SC Bangkok) and Bruna (@Tunis) who are good players but not nearly as complete players as Hirano. Those points she could have gotten had she won would have put her into a seeded position here in Singapore. And regrettably, she lost to Pyon Song Gyong at the Asian Games (a loss not only in ranking point opportunities, but which added more pressure at the next Paris trial). She also had the misfortune of meeting Miwa in the 1st round at WTT Champions Frankfurt. I guess we can forgive her for that one given the caliber of player Miwa is. But note that Hayata beat Miwa in the very next round. I feel for Hirano. I really do. It is tough managing WTT tournaments and the Paris trials. She's capable of beating anyone including Hayata, but she's sure made it tough on herself trying to climb the ranking points hill.
 
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The pressure has shot up to the sky for JPN.

A more accurate description would be "more frequently, because of and hence their higher rankings".

A fairer comparison would be how often they reached, and better yet, went beyond their respective seeding positions.

You will be surprised at how shaky Hayata can be in this cycle, in similar fashion to SYB, despite the significant edge in WR.

With Hirano being the only one who didn't mention about nervousness and Hayata the only one who didn't mention about non-CNT players, I have a bad feeling about this.

パリ五輪男子日本代表が出発前の羽田空港で意気込みを語る「良い経験も悪い経験も、全てがこのパリのため」(張本)
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/193296
女子日本代表がパリ五輪に向けての意気込み語る「3年間準備したことを全て出し切る」(早田)
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/193337
いざ決戦の地へ!パリ五輪卓球競技日本代表選手団がフランスへ出発!
https://world-tt.com/blog/news/archives/193383

【インタビュー】卓球男子日本代表がパリへ出発!エース・張本智和が想いを語る「間違いなく日本のトップ3、僕たちなら団体でメダルを獲れる」
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoPZqpcbiXw

【インタビュー】卓球女子日本代表がパリ五輪へ!中国撃破・メダル獲得へ「プレッシャーを3人で乗り越えて、準備してきた3年間を全部出し切る」
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846wwvsaQcs
 
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Harimoto's comment.

卓球混合ダブルス、張本&早田ペアがまさかの初戦敗退...北朝鮮ペアに屈する、張本「悔しい、想定以上のプレーをされた」【パリ五輪】
https://newsdig.tbs.co.jp/articles/-/1319294?display=1
試合後、張本は「正直悔しいですね。やっぱり相手のプレーも素晴らしかったんですけど、大事なところで1本2本ミスは多かったかなと思います。相手に想定以上のプレーをされたかなと、まだ2種目あるので、一つでもメダル持ち帰れるように次のシングルスから頑張りたいなと思います」と話した。

Hayata's comment. She talks about how she boasted about winning the XD and yet it ended in the worst way possible. On what exactly was the problem, she puts it on little intel about PRK and therefore she was a bit lost and couldn't stop the shots from the male player.

【卓球】早田ひな「自分がやってきたことをやるだけ」 混合ダブルス初戦敗退も…切り替え強調
https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/articles/-/310985
 大会前に「何かが起きたら一番勝てるのは混合ダブルス」と語っていた中で、最悪の結末となった。試合後には「緊張やプレッシャーはそんなに感じずに、いつも通りの試合の感じで入ることはできた」しながらも「やっぱり情報量が少ない分、自分自身がちょっと迷ってしまったり、男子選手に打たれたボールを自分自身があまり止められなかったので、そういった部分で結構押され続けてしまった」と顔をしかめた。

 今大会は混合ダブルス、シングルス、団体の3種目に出場。悔しい船出となったが「五輪だからとは感じることなく、雰囲気の中で試合ができてすごい楽しかった。明日シングルスの試合があるので、それに向けていい状態で試合することができたので、あとは本当に自分がやってきたことをやるだけ」と切り替えを強調した。
 
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Hayata also said:

でもオリンピックだから負けたっていうよりは、普通に試合してても、もしかしたら負けてたんじゃないかなっていうような感じだった。

Rather than losing because it's the Olympics, I feel like we might have lost to them even under normal circumstances.

 
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More comment from Hayata. She says their failure to adapt their tactics was the main reason behind the loss.

https://www.sankei.com/article/20240728-3JB5BGT4UJNXTDBBI62IQ6FRRQ/?outputType=theme_paris2024
まさかの初戦敗退だった。卓球の混合ダブルスで金メダルを狙った張本智、早田組が北朝鮮ペアに敗れた。相手選手のブロックや鋭いカウンターなど緩急のあるプレーに苦戦。相手の球がネットや角に当たって入る形の失点もあり流れに乗れず、早田は「自分たちの戦術を変えられなかったことが敗因」と悔やんだ。

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「『悔しい』しか出てこない」と張本智。ベンチに入った男子の田勢監督は「ちょっとナーバスになっていた。五輪の舞台で2人ができることがまだあったと思う」と早過ぎる敗退を嘆いた。(共同)

張本智和の話 相手の男子選手のプレーが良すぎた。悔しいけど、あのプレーをされたら少し仕方がないと思う部分もある。キーポイントは4ゲーム目のジュース。取っていたら相手も焦りがあった。全てが悪かったわけではない。

早田ひなの話 いつも通りの試合の感じで入ることができたけど(相手の)情報量が少ない分、少し迷ってしまい、男子選手に打たれた球を止められなかった。そういう部分で押され続けた。

田勢邦史・男子日本代表監督 ちょっとナーバスになっていた。五輪の舞台で2人ができることがまだあったと思う。ちょっとこっちが大事にいきすぎた。
 
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Good to know that Tasei admits he was useless.

Hayata also said:



Rather than losing because it's the Olympics, I feel like we might have lost to them even under normal circumstances.

 
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It looks like only Harimoto praises the PRK team for playing fantastially, Kim with her longpips and Ri for landing shots after shots of his FH and BH power loops.

「想定以上のプレーをされた」卓球・張本智和&早田ひなペアが1回戦で敗退 北朝鮮ペアに敗れ混合ダブルス日本勢五輪連覇の夢ついえる
https://news.ntv.co.jp/category/sports/a55639a903fd4b24b7119f8753de7ce2
張本選手は「相手のプレーがすばらしかった。大事なところでミスが多かった」と振り返り、「女子選手の通常と異なるラバー、男子選手が両ハンドミスなくパワーのあるボールを打ち込んできたので、準備はしていたんですけれど、想定以上のプレーをされた」と悔しい表情をみせました。

【パリ五輪】混合ダブルスの張本智和、早田ひな組がまさかの初戦敗退 張本「相手は想像を絶するプレー」早田「押され続けた」北朝鮮に1―4で完敗
https://hochi.news/articles/20240728-OHT1T51023.html?page=1
 1―3の崖っぷちで臨んだ第5G。10―10で張本のサーブを相手男子選手にチキータレシーブで返された。敗戦が決まると、ほぼ満席の会場は大歓声に包まれた。張本は悔しげにうなだれ、早田もぼう然と立ち尽くした。「悔しいしか出てこない。本当に悔しい」と張本は言葉少なげにうなだれた。早田も「押され続けてしまった。自分たちが戦術を変えられなかったのが敗因」と悔しさをにじませた。

 北朝鮮は近年国際大会にほとんど出ておらず、データも少なかった。数少ない映像は見ていたが、五輪の初戦で当たる未知の相手は、脅威でしかなかった。「やりづらさがあった」と張本は振り返る。さらに相手は想像以上のプレーを出した。男子選手に強打で攻められ、早田は「(打球は)すごい威力。攻めても倍に返された。情報量が少ない分、迷ってしまった。北朝鮮の精度の高さを感じた」。フォアハンドをカウンターされ、苦しんだ張本も「相手は想像を絶する、素晴らしいプレーだった」と脱帽した。

 五輪の独特の雰囲気があった。早田は3種目の最初の種目で、初めての夢舞台。東京五輪団体銅の張本は、2度目だが有観客開催は初めて。入場から観客の大歓声に包まれ、いいプレーには足をバタバタさせて喜ぶ異様な雰囲気。北朝鮮が優位に試合を運び、徐々に客席も相手のムードになった。「(相手の)勢いというのはあったと思う」と早田。プレーに影響はなかったという張本も「盛り上がりはすごかった」と実感した。

 張本、早田ともにシングルスと団体戦の2種目を残す。早田は「あした(のシングルス)は、自分のやってきたことをやるだけ」と気持ちを切り替えた。張本も「終わったものはしょうがない。気持ちも技術も調整して、シングルスは1試合、1試合やっていくしかない」と顔を上げた。
 
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Hayata also said:



Rather than losing because it's the Olympics, I feel like we might have lost to them even under normal circumstances.

That's the importance of fundamentals, I felt like Japan has only been excels on tactics, landing points and pacing rather than footwork, force exertion and stroke efficiency. DPRK often practice in China's provincial teams and it's obvious to the eye that their fundamentals are solid, I just can't see Harimoto being able to dish out forehand kill loops like Ri does.

One more thing, backhand style doesn't work in long rallies, looking at the first game and this point for instance

Neither Harimoto nor Hayata tries to play forehand, instead they opted for a lower quality bh loop and got countered immediately. Those last points starting from 9-7 in the 5th game also showed the same problem, under pressure they reverted back to bh shots and lost
 
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That's the importance of fundamentals, I felt like Japan has only been excels on tactics, landing points and pacing rather than footwork, force exertion and stroke efficiency. DPRK often practice in China's provincial teams and it's obvious to the eye that their fundamentals are solid, I just can't see Harimoto being able to dish out forehand kill loops like Ri does.

One more thing, backhand style doesn't work in long rallies, looking at the first game and this point for instance

Neither Harimoto nor Hayata tries to play forehand, instead they opted for a lower quality bh loop and got countered immediately. Those last points starting from 9-7 in the 5th game also showed the same problem, under pressure they reverted back to bh shots and lost
Let's see how well PRK does before we make this a matter of Japan's limitations. At the very least, other teams are on notice now and have the Japan tape to work with. Let's see whether it makes a difference.
 
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Noob question - is Kim's BH anti-spin or LP? The blocks look interesting.
 
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