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Spin and more spin.
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Spin and more spin.
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I have been thinking about something related to this thread for a while. Sorry to wake the issue back up, but I do think this has been a good discussion worth engaging in. So in the Hard Bat era there was this phenomenon that people realized that if you were a defensive player and mainly chopped the ball, you could chop and chop and wait for the other person to make a mistake and then win based on just getting the ball on the table consistently. The result of this is that there was a period in the sport where play was dominated by defensive players. This caused the creation of the expedite rule: http://tabletennis.about.com/od/thelawsoftabletennis/a/expedite.htm
Now, without deceptive rubber, in the hard bat era, where everyone was using pretty much the same equipment, defensive play was still hard to deal with. There is this one place I play at where where most of the players are sort of low level defensive players. Most of them are using recreational rackets that cost somewhere between $3.00 and $10.00. Some of them have something like what you would get from ZeroPong: http://zeropong.com/home.php?cat=249 which would be a step up from the Hard Bats and the Halex rackets the rest use. Most of these players are defensive players. Most of the offensive players who think they are good are unable to consistently return the underspin and the changes of spin that the defensive players are dealing. They do not know how to loop underspin yet or they do not do it well enough. Many people who start playing offensively there, end up switching to a defensive style of play because they learn that they cannot win against the "better" players by playing offensively and see that most of the "better" players there are simply cutting the ball over and over again. When a solid looper shows up and knows how to attack those underspin shots well enough, the "better" players at this place usually lose but there are not that many decent club type players that would want to play at this venue for many reasons, from lighting to lack of competition, to the fact that, if you play there, if you play someone who can get some of your shots back they are always going to be a defensive style player.
What is the point of what I am saying? It has been said that Pips Out and Anti Spin make it so that someone can win more games against higher level and better trained players without the player actually developing their game more. And what I am saying is that defensive play that is at your level is always hard to deal with because it is deceptive and you have to work hard for points and since the spin that is coming at you from a defensive player is probably changing consistently, you have to keep on your toes regardless of what kind of setup the opponent has. Unless you are at a higher level then the defensive player you are playing, defensive play presents a challenge.
However, at the highest levels of play, it is very very hard for a defensive player to get up to the level of the top offensive players. But Still Joo Se Hyuk and Chen Weixing still get matches ever so often from players in the top 10. I saw a match some time last year where Timo Boll lost to Chen Weixing. So defensive play is a real challenge to deal with but that does not say anything about the skill level of a defensive player. A defensive player who is ranked #38 in the world is a player who is ranked #38 in the world. A defensive player with a USATT rating of 1850 is a player with an 1850 rating they earned that with the techniques that they use.
And I for one, and always happy to play against defensive players because, to me it is fun, and it presents a challenge that I like that is different than just playing another offensive player. And because I can see that when I play a defensive player, my skills as an offensive player improve.
Now, without deceptive rubber, in the hard bat era, where everyone was using pretty much the same equipment, defensive play was still hard to deal with. There is this one place I play at where where most of the players are sort of low level defensive players. Most of them are using recreational rackets that cost somewhere between $3.00 and $10.00. Some of them have something like what you would get from ZeroPong: http://zeropong.com/home.php?cat=249 which would be a step up from the Hard Bats and the Halex rackets the rest use. Most of these players are defensive players. Most of the offensive players who think they are good are unable to consistently return the underspin and the changes of spin that the defensive players are dealing. They do not know how to loop underspin yet or they do not do it well enough. Many people who start playing offensively there, end up switching to a defensive style of play because they learn that they cannot win against the "better" players by playing offensively and see that most of the "better" players there are simply cutting the ball over and over again. When a solid looper shows up and knows how to attack those underspin shots well enough, the "better" players at this place usually lose but there are not that many decent club type players that would want to play at this venue for many reasons, from lighting to lack of competition, to the fact that, if you play there, if you play someone who can get some of your shots back they are always going to be a defensive style player.
What is the point of what I am saying? It has been said that Pips Out and Anti Spin make it so that someone can win more games against higher level and better trained players without the player actually developing their game more. And what I am saying is that defensive play that is at your level is always hard to deal with because it is deceptive and you have to work hard for points and since the spin that is coming at you from a defensive player is probably changing consistently, you have to keep on your toes regardless of what kind of setup the opponent has. Unless you are at a higher level then the defensive player you are playing, defensive play presents a challenge.
However, at the highest levels of play, it is very very hard for a defensive player to get up to the level of the top offensive players. But Still Joo Se Hyuk and Chen Weixing still get matches ever so often from players in the top 10. I saw a match some time last year where Timo Boll lost to Chen Weixing. So defensive play is a real challenge to deal with but that does not say anything about the skill level of a defensive player. A defensive player who is ranked #38 in the world is a player who is ranked #38 in the world. A defensive player with a USATT rating of 1850 is a player with an 1850 rating they earned that with the techniques that they use.
And I for one, and always happy to play against defensive players because, to me it is fun, and it presents a challenge that I like that is different than just playing another offensive player. And because I can see that when I play a defensive player, my skills as an offensive player improve.
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