Re-Building the BEAST

[UpSideDownCarl]

What you do with the loose stuff inside the blade is what Andro did with the "Kinetic" series.

I would feel safe saying that the mod without completely filling the empty space with glue and re-inforcement material (toothpick or tiny nails) would give a poor feel at impact compare to filling the whole sucker up jam full.

Personally, at impact, i could not tolerate a blade that shakes, rattles, and rolls each firm hit.

That was why I asked the question. The purpose of the modification is as much to make the handle solid with no empty space and no moving parts as it is to give the handle more weight.

 

[Liten]

With the tape-mod nothing is moving around. Real happy with the balance.

 

[Liten]

Sorry, 3 sets in the tape got loose.. Felt like the BH rubber was falling off every time the nut inside rattled around on the shots..

Glue is the way to go!

Anyhow: love the way the blade feels.

 

[Liten]

Won 7 to 1 yesterday with my spare blade.. (tape mod)
Took out the two nuts in the handle before todays practice.. lost 5 to 3..

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

It makes sense that the tape wouldn't hold up. But a bigger issue about the glue and the feeling of the blade is this: A larger issue with the hollow space is that it is actually hollow. It is not just the lighter handle which is part of it, but not the whole thing. When the inside of the handle is solid, the blade feels, well, solid!!! The weight added to the handle makes it play better. But if you just filled the handle with something lighter than metal and all it did was make it so there was no hollow space, it would play with a more solid feel and be a faster blade.

Like, if you could take a Clipper and somehow magically add the wood that was originally there, back into the hollow space of the handle, it would improve the blade's speed, balance, feeling and playing characteristics. But if instead you put weight in the hollow space and leave a lot of empty space and air too, it will not do as much. It will do part of the job (the weight balance), but not the whole thing: making the handle actually solid.

So the two parts of the equation of Der_Echte's handle modification are:

1) you are bringing the weight balance into the handle and away from the head.

2) you are making the handle solid; that means: filled all the way through.

Both aspects of the modification go into making the blade play better.

The sad part is, you should not even need to do those modifications. The handle should never have been made hollow in the first place. But that is how marketing works:

Look, this Clipper weighs 86 grams instead of 95. Less weight = better! It is not true but people buy the gimmick thinking that less weight is better, if it is the same blade and just lighter.

Marketing has made people scared of blades that weigh between 90-100 grams even though that is the weight of the blades of most of the top pro players. Most of the top pro players use a blade that is between 90-97 grams. And that is a very good weight for a blade. Not too light so you have inertia behind your shots and not too heavy so your reset can be fast.

 

[Liten]

Thanks Carl!
Actually, thats just what I did with my Hybrid Wood.. all the wood I cut from the handle-wings I pressed down in the hollow handle and glued it back together...
Will fill the handle up on my spare as well.. mayby with wood insted of those nuts.. we will see.

 

[Der_Echte]

Filling the empty space with WOOD instead if metal is also going to make the finished result more solid and stronger.. much stronger than if you used only glue. Plus, it cuts down on the added weight and gives you a better option to customize how much total weight and area weight you want to add.

Completely filling all the empty space with glue is very important, or you will not achieve the "proper" feel at impact and get the added performance and feel on solid struck balls and your opening loops.

This mod changes everything. Even the $16 Galaxy 896 I did this mod to and showed Carl the first time he could tell the difference right away. He knew, because he owned/operated a couple of the very same blade. That mod on even the 896 with your normal FH and BH rubber combo plays better than the majority of blades on the market in STOCK unmodified form.

That is very profound statement by someone who is a president of a TT equipment re-seller but I believe it to be the truth and not at all affect any business. It might get people to buy from Colestt.com even more, which is OK, our company will make future sales when we can get more players into the sport and when players see us as part of the big group of people pushing the pile so to speak. Cole does people right and isn't in the business to make huge profits, he is in it to help maximum number of people get equipped and love the game for minimum money. You could EJ from his shop at a 3 or 4-1 ratio and still have funds left over.

 

[aerial]

guys... I think I may have overdone it with the weight lol
will see how it plays tomorrow...

 

[NextLevel]

How did your tournament go? The weight will be fine.

 

[aerial]

I got 2nd place in my giant round robin division--lost two matches I probably shouldn't have lost, but oh well.

it was a good experience

Will have videos up probably by the end of the week towards the weekend, if that's what you're waiting for, to critique my "love-tapping" haha

 

[aerial]

so I just re measured the weight and it seems to have gained an extra 1.5 grams somehow?

I did leave it in the basement over night though and the handle felt somewhat damp to touch. wonder if it week go back to 110.5 after the humidity goes away?

I left it pinched in a laptop overnight, I filled it up with wood glue to the brim, but when I look at the insignia, there is some empty space on the side that was facing up being pinched by the notebook. From holding it I don't feel any uneven weight, so it's probably negligible. Looking forward to using my ocr "anti-WRB" tomorrow haha

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

It should feel like the weight is mostly in the handle and it should feel pretty decent. And when the glue is fully dry inside it may weigh less.


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[Der_Echte]

If you use wrist on FH to finish your loops, you will right away know it accelerates better. You will feel a different feel at impact on solid struck balls and powerloops... and you will like it.

 

[NextLevel]

I got 2nd place in my giant round robin division--lost two matches I probably shouldn't have lost, but oh well.

it was a good experience

Will have videos up probably by the end of the week towards the weekend, if that's what you're waiting for, to critique my "love-tapping" haha

You move very well and you are leaving 200 pts of easy rating on the table with the love tapping. You just need to learn to spin the ball and let the opponent deal with it as opposed to love tapping to get those low hanging points. You should be over 1700, seriously.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Aerial, even though you seem uncomfortable with NextLevel's use of the phrase "love tap" to describe shots where you are tentative and not comfortable, what he is saying makes sense to me.

You are actually better than you are! (I think I got that from Yogi Berra). And I think the point there may be that, if you use bat speed and brush the heck out of those and spin the heck out of them, you will very quickly convert many points you weren't winning into clear wins. Once you do that, you will also start feeling how to rip those shots. And you will start being as good as you are.

Especially now that you have a 112 gram blade in your hands. Hahahahaha.

When you have hit with it, tell us how it feels. I will be interested to hear.


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[Der_Echte]

Carl cannot wait the required 12 hours and simply MUST untie the rubber hose holding his wee wee and stopping him from peeing.

I'm sure aerial will tell us soon enough... There is only one club for a half million people there and it operates only 1 or 2 times a week.

He can't just go pimping at SPIN Manhattan any time he likes... like U can.


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[UpSideDownCarl]

I've heard it from good sources that the Der_Meister has stocked up on popcorn and is anxiously awaiting the full report.


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[aerial]

haha sorry for the late reply guys, but I gotta say this increased weight modification is actually really good to play with!

i was worried it was going to be heavy on the wrist but it does not feel heavier at all--without gluing down the screws in the handle with the wood glue i was able to feel the weight changing around and this did not bode well for the feel of my shots but with it solidified it is definitely better

i will say that it seems like the glue formation changes from time to time when i look at the see-through stiga insignia. i am guessing that is from leaving the stuff in the car when the weather is still hot. i think i if i could do the mod all over again i would stand the bat straight up instead of clamping it in between the laptop computer so that the glue would settle evenly, but then again i guess that still wouldn't help my situation since if it does indeed melt and re-form in the car it would have done so regardless of how uniform it was during the modifications

i still beat and lose to the same players so this mod didn't really immediately help my game, but it does "feel" better so i guess it was all worth it in the end...

 

[Der_Echte]

The trick to the mod is completely filling in ALL empty space.

Stiga blades are deep hollow and so are handles. You could separately fill in the last handle and cover the open space with a little thin paper and quickly glue that suckered back on.

A set of $2 plastic spring clamps works wonders for you in the 3 HR SET phase before you let it cure overnight.

Goal is to get everything solid and if you worry about weight then use lots of toothpicks.

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